49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:
I just want to give props to OL

Brock is operating out of a lot of clean pockets

According to pro football reference Brock is the 2nd least pressured QB in NFL

He also drops back at a lower rate than anyone else. Don't get me wrong. I don't think the O line has been horrible or anything. I am just pointing out that scheme has as much to do with it as anything else.

i was specifically looking at pressure % which normalizes to dropbacks

Just out of curiousity. Where are you getting that info?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Either way, let's not get caught in this situation again.

"So we're in this situation, we knew (Alex) Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

I hope we do get "caught" in the situation of be the #1 seed every year.

Originally posted by ritz126:
I just want to give props to OL

Brock is operating out of a lot of clean pockets

According to pro football reference Brock is the 2nd least pressured QB in NFL

Originally posted by YACBros85:
He also drops back at a lower rate than anyone else. Don't get me wrong. I don't think the O line has been horrible or anything. I am just pointing out that scheme has as much to do with it as anything else.

Doesn't matter. He's not standing around throwing screen passes all day. The stat is what it is.

For starters,....and not to be rude or anything, but you're not understanding what you're saying. The person brought up a "rate" to begin with.



Numbers-wise,....dropping back has 0% of an effect on this rate. Why? Because they are both rates,...lol.

2ndly,...No one stat is going to tell a complete story.

This is naturally implied,....yet we often see "stat" contests here where there's this "my stat is better than yours" agenda some bring here,....with no reference given to any argument to begin with.

If you aren't making an argument, then let numbers be numbers.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by ritz126:
I just want to give props to OL

Brock is operating out of a lot of clean pockets

According to pro football reference Brock is the 2nd least pressured QB in NFL

Originally posted by YACBros85:
He also drops back at a lower rate than anyone else. Don't get me wrong. I don't think the O line has been horrible or anything. I am just pointing out that scheme has as much to do with it as anything else.

Doesn't matter. He's not standing around throwing screen passes all day. The stat is what it is.

No one stat is going to tell a complete story.

I am aware of that but Brock is the 13 highest pressured QB out 42 qualifying QB's with the 10th lowest time before being pressured. Not terrible but certainly below average. Kyle, Trent and Brock make pass pro look a lot better than it actually is.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am aware of that but Brock is the 13 highest pressured QB out 42 qualifying QB's with the 10th lowest time before being pressured. Not terrible but certainly below average. Kyle, Trent and Brock make pass pro look a lot better than it actually is.

Edited the post. Bringing up the rate at which he drops back is completely null and void in regards to this stat.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am aware of that but Brock is the 13 highest pressured QB out 42 qualifying QB's with the 10th lowest time before being pressured. Not terrible but certainly below average. Kyle, Trent and Brock make pass pro look a lot better than it actually is.

Edited the post. Bringing up the rate at which he drops back is completely null and void in regards to this stat.

How is that? Dropbacks is the exact stat one should use to figure out the rate of pressure.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Just out of curiousity. Where are you getting that info?

This has zero to do with the stat that the person referenced. Absolutely no effect. Hope you understand this.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am aware of that but Brock is the 13 highest pressured QB out 42 qualifying QB's with the 10th lowest time before being pressured. Not terrible but certainly below average. Kyle, Trent and Brock make pass pro look a lot better than it actually is.

Edited the post. Bringing up the rate at which he drops back is completely null and void in regards to this stat.

How is that? Dropbacks is the exact stat one should use to figure out the rate of pressure.

No. Not at all.

Lazily reference the 1st google search:



This has zero to do with how many times someone is pressured PER drop back. This is a rate. a Percentage.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am aware of that but Brock is the 13 highest pressured QB out 42 qualifying QB's with the 10th lowest time before being pressured. Not terrible but certainly below average. Kyle, Trent and Brock make pass pro look a lot better than it actually is.

Edited the post. Bringing up the rate at which he drops back is completely null and void in regards to this stat.

How is that? Dropbacks is the exact stat one should use to figure out the rate of pressure.

No. Not at all.

Lazily reference the 1st google search:



This has zero to do with how many times someone is pressured PER drop back. This is a rate. a Percentage.

A percentage based on what? If not dropbacks.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Just out of curiousity. Where are you getting that info?

This has zero to do with the stat that the person referenced. Absolutely no effect. Hope you understand this.

I obviously don't. Please explain.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I obviously don't. Please explain.

the stat is calculating pressure/dropbacks

for example If i dropback 10 times and have 5 pressures. I only allow 5 pressures but the pressure rate is 50%

if i dropback 100 times but allow 10 pressures i allow more pressures but the pressure rate is 10%

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Staley retired because of his chronic injuries. I haven't heard Trent is dealing with anything chronic.

As I said I expect him back in 24 and probably 25.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They have a chance to win this year and maybe 1 - 2 more. I think he plays a few more years. He's really the same athlete as of now. No reason to hang it up yet. Lets hope we get another 2 - 3 years of high level play from him and he keeps playing.

I certainly can't read Trent's mindset now, and what it would be in a couple of months, but he's 30 million dollars richer - that's his cap hit since signing the new contract in 2021. His bonus was 50+ Millon, so if he banks 25 million, he can retire without too much pain in his pocket book. He'll be 36 going into next years training camp. If he was a regular offensive tackle football player - they generally retire around age 38. So generally speaking - he should be able to play until 2026 - Physically speaking as long as he stays relatively healthy.

Having said that, he's been injured *A LOT* late in the season - and the NFL is a marathon grind. Does he want to risk the rest of his life having degenerative conditions, CTE etc... or retire with millions in the bank with good health? Specially when you have accomplished all the goals you set out such as winning a championship? I think once he's gotten his super bowl and his hall of fame career is pretty much locked up - and if he's met all his goals for his career, I just don't see anything stopping him from retiring. That is all I'm saying. 49ers have to plan accordingly.

Either way, let's not get caught in this situation again.

"So we're in this situation, we knew (Alex) Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

We had Brendel behind Alex when Alex retired, I guess we have McKivitz behind Trent? Man o man, that was a bad situation when that appeared against the Ravens. I feel with Brock as our franchise QB, Kyle's *got to prioritize* the offensive line position this next year. Brock's already had his elbow torn, a concussion, and several shoulder stingers, and this is only his second season playing full time. He's not exactly 240+ LB's and built like a fullback. If Kyle want's brock to play 20+ years - man o man - the OLine has to be a priority now.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Staley retired because of his chronic injuries. I haven't heard Trent is dealing with anything chronic.

As I said I expect him back in 24 and probably 25.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
They have a chance to win this year and maybe 1 - 2 more. I think he plays a few more years. He's really the same athlete as of now. No reason to hang it up yet. Lets hope we get another 2 - 3 years of high level play from him and he keeps playing.

I certainly can't read Trent's mindset now, and what it would be in a couple of months, but he's 30 million dollars richer - that's his cap hit since signing the new contract in 2021. His bonus was 50+ Millon, so if he banks 25 million, he can retire without too much pain in his pocket book. He'll be 36 going into next years training camp. If he was a regular offensive tackle football player - they generally retire around age 38. So generally speaking - he should be able to play until 2026 - Physically speaking as long as he stays relatively healthy.

Having said that, he's been injured *A LOT* late in the season - and the NFL is a marathon grind. Does he want to risk the rest of his life having degenerative conditions, CTE etc... or retire with millions in the bank with good health? Specially when you have accomplished all the goals you set out such as winning a championship? I think once he's gotten his super bowl and his hall of fame career is pretty much locked up - and if he's met all his goals for his career, I just don't see anything stopping him from retiring. That is all I'm saying. 49ers have to plan accordingly.

Either way, let's not get caught in this situation again.

"So we're in this situation, we knew (Alex) Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

We had Brendel behind Alex when Alex retired, I guess we have McKivitz behind Trent? Man o man, that was a bad situation when that appeared against the Ravens. I feel with Brock as our franchise QB, Kyle's *got to prioritize* the offensive line position this next year. Brock's already had his elbow torn, a concussion, and several shoulder stingers, and this is only his second season playing full time. He's not exactly 240+ LB's and built like a fullback. If Kyle want's brock to play 20+ years - man o man - the OLine has to be a priority now.

This! But I can see Kyle being dumb enough not to prioritize oline.

After going to the pro football reference site it clearly states in the glossary TIMES PRESSURED PER DROPBACK. Pro football reference gives you the number of pressures (90) but doesn't state how many dropbacks. PFF on the otherhand states how many dropbacks the QB faced pressure, what % of dropbacks the QB was pressured on and the total number of dropbacks. There is obviously a huge discrepancy between the number of times QB's were pressured per dropback between pff and pfr. Which is why I asked ritz where they got there info from.

Originally posted by Giedi:
We had Brendel behind Alex when Alex retired, I guess we have McKivitz behind Trent? Man o man, that was a bad situation when that appeared against the Ravens. I feel with Brock as our franchise QB, Kyle's *got to prioritize* the offensive line position this next year. Brock's already had his elbow torn, a concussion, and several shoulder stingers, and this is only his second season playing full time. He's not exactly 240+ LB's and built like a fullback. If Kyle want's brock to play 20+ years - man o man - the OLine has to be a priority now.

those injuries werent really due to bad OL

stingers were both of scrambles concussion was due to QB sneak. The torn ligament is a definition of an unlucky play.

not saying OL wont/shouldnt be a priority just saying investing in OL doesn't really mean above wont happen