49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Well the # of dropbacks has slightly changed due to pff not updating their stats until a couple of hours ago. I posted that before the update. The 184 was the # of dropbacks he was pressured on and not the total number of dropbacks. After the update for yesterday's game, Brock has been pressured on 192 of his 498 dropbacks this season which is a rate of 38.6%. If we add in Darnold, he has been pressured on 11 of his 24 dropbacks. 49ers QB's have been pressured on 203 of 522 total dropbacks which is a 38.9% pressure rate.

"498" dropbacks,...ok,...PFR currently has him for a few less drop backs than 498.

So there is some disagreement there,...which is plenty okay. Between him and Darnold,....PFR has 102 total pressures, but Brock alone, another website has 192 pressures.

PFR adds up Sacks, Hurries, and Scrambles as pressures,...and I'm 100% fine with that, because I know where they are getting their numbers.

PFF can be a little more controversial as they like to "protect" their content ($$$). Even so....if the 192 is thoroughly accounted for,..that is fine as well.

There's no definable, set definition for "pressure" that will ever be universally accepted by every website,...especially when some of them are there to monopolize. It's all about understanding where the #'s come from and not misinterpreting or trying to mix them together.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Yet one of if not the best offense in the league. Shows there is room for improvement beyond what is going on.

As I said before, the Jimmy G of O lines. A tick above average overall.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I obviously don't. Please explain.

A couple things to note:

The poster is mistakingly looking @ our pressure rates from 2022,...lol.

We're in 2023 and the site has us @ 17th in the league @ 19.9%. (This coincides pretty well with holding onto the ball a little longer with the big plays Brock has been producing)

The tallies PFR has as of now:


The pressure % goes up as the times pressured goes up. It's a rate, so they are only dependent on each other.

The percentage of drop backs relates to the total plays ran,... NOT the pressures. There is no real link between pressures and the # of plays an offense has ran. You would naturally expect more pressures for more drop backs,...but there is no point in discussing it and we might as well discuss what's actually happened.

As for why the chart you showed has DB as 184 when he's thrown 444 passes thus far,...you are free to discuss and explain. But obviously the two websites are looking at things differently.

Neither one has to be "right" or "wrong" depending on interpretation.

Well the # of dropbacks has slightly changed due to pff not updating their stats until a couple of hours ago. I posted that before the update. The 184 was the # of dropbacks he was pressured on and not the total number of dropbacks. After the update for yesterday's game, Brock has been pressured on 192 of his 498 dropbacks this season which is a rate of 38.6%. If we add in Darnold, he has been pressured on 11 of his 24 dropbacks. 49ers QB's have been pressured on 203 of 522 total dropbacks which is a 38.9% pressure rate.

Ouch. Do we have an idea what the league average is here? Or rank (same concept).

Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Yet one of if not the best offense in the league. Shows there is room for improvement beyond what is going on.

As I said before, the Jimmy G of O lines. A tick above average overall.

Best analogy about the line I've heard. Not the worst but hopefully Brock can carry it to number 6.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Yet one of if not the best offense in the league. Shows there is room for improvement beyond what is going on.

As I said before, the Jimmy G of O lines. A tick above average overall.

Best analogy about the line I've heard. Not the worst but hopefully Brock can carry it to number 6.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I obviously don't. Please explain.

A couple things to note:

The poster is mistakingly looking @ our pressure rates from 2022,...lol.

We're in 2023 and the site has us @ 17th in the league @ 19.9%. (This coincides pretty well with holding onto the ball a little longer with the big plays Brock has been producing)

The tallies PFR has as of now:


The pressure % goes up as the times pressured goes up. It's a rate, so they are only dependent on each other.

The percentage of drop backs relates to the total plays ran,... NOT the pressures. There is no real link between pressures and the # of plays an offense has ran. You would naturally expect more pressures for more drop backs,...but there is no point in discussing it and we might as well discuss what's actually happened.

As for why the chart you showed has DB as 184 when he's thrown 444 passes thus far,...you are free to discuss and explain. But obviously the two websites are looking at things differently.

Neither one has to be "right" or "wrong" depending on interpretation.

Well the # of dropbacks has slightly changed due to pff not updating their stats until a couple of hours ago. I posted that before the update. The 184 was the # of dropbacks he was pressured on and not the total number of dropbacks. After the update for yesterday's game, Brock has been pressured on 192 of his 498 dropbacks this season which is a rate of 38.6%. If we add in Darnold, he has been pressured on 11 of his 24 dropbacks. 49ers QB's have been pressured on 203 of 522 total dropbacks which is a 38.9% pressure rate.

Ouch. Do we have an idea what the league average is here? Or rank (same concept).

Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Yet one of if not the best offense in the league. Shows there is room for improvement beyond what is going on.

As I said before, the Jimmy G of O lines. A tick above average overall.

Best analogy about the line I've heard. Not the worst but hopefully Brock can carry it to number 6.

If you are hitting big plays, u have to hold onto the ball longer. U hold onto the ball longer, the pressures go up.

What is he at right now,...9.6 YPA?

Would love to see years where players averaged 9.6 YPA yet the pressure % stats from the same source ranked in the Top 5 or even Top 10?

Stat mongers?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Yet one of if not the best offense in the league. Shows there is room for improvement beyond what is going on.

As I said before, the Jimmy G of O lines. A tick above average overall.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
He has the 10th lowest time in the league before being pressured though. Brock's anticipation/throwing before the receiver breaks is why he is able to consistently hit those deeper routes. Between Kyle's scheme and Brock's elite processing really makes this O line look better than it is.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Yet one of if not the best offense in the league. Shows there is room for improvement beyond what is going on.

As I said before, the Jimmy G of O lines. A tick above average overall.

Best analogy about the line I've heard. Not the worst but hopefully Brock can carry it to number 6.

If you are hitting big plays, u have to hold onto the ball longer. U hold onto the ball longer, the pressures go up.

What is he at right now,...9.6 YPA?

Would love to see years where players averaged 9.6 YPA yet the pressure % stats from the same source ranked in the Top 5 or even Top 10?

Stat mongers?

He has the 10th lowest time in the league before being pressured though. Brock's anticipation/throwing before the receiver breaks is why he is able to consistently hit those deeper routes. Between Kyle's scheme and Brock's elite processing really makes this O line look better than it is.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let's just hope it's Jimmy G-like after a turnover in the playoffs.

Originally posted by NCommand:
100%.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
He has the 10th lowest time in the league before being pressured though. Brock's anticipation/throwing before the receiver breaks is why he is able to consistently hit those deeper routes. Between Kyle's scheme and Brock's elite processing really makes this O line look better than it is.

The QB makes the OL look better? Who would have thought.