49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
What about Flacco/Ravens. Not exactly a mobile guy who lived by the OL and deep ball. We know intimately.

Just outside my 10 year window but I covered him in my most recent post. Dude was QB god in his title run and IIRC they restructured their OL late in the season along with replacing their OC.

Gotcha. Yeah, that was a pretty ridiculous run for sure. I believe you're right on that too.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Brock is currently ranked the 14th highest pressured QB (38.6%) out of 41 qualifying QB's and has the 13th most pressured dropbacks (192) in the league.

Yet one of if not the best offense in the league. Shows there is room for improvement beyond what is going on.

As I said before, the Jimmy G of O lines. A tick above average overall.

Best analogy about the line I've heard. Not the worst but hopefully Brock can carry it to number 6.

If you are hitting big plays, u have to hold onto the ball longer. U hold onto the ball longer, the pressures go up.

What is he at right now,...9.6 YPA?

Would love to see years where players averaged 9.6 YPA yet the pressure % stats from the same source ranked in the Top 5 or even Top 10?

Stat mongers?

He has the 10th lowest time in the league before being pressured though. Brock's anticipation/throwing before the receiver breaks is why he is able to consistently hit those deeper routes. Between Kyle's scheme and Brock's elite processing really makes this O line look better than it is.

You're interpreting....but what you're leaving out are OTHER QBs taking advantage of the same thing that Brock has.

Brock is not the 1st QB in history to take advantage of anticipation.

So which is why I say....let's return back to the numbers.

Leave the inherent bias you're going to naturally have, and put everyone side by side.

If you have some guys in the last 20 years or so that were getting 9.6 YPA with a great, beneficial pressure rate as well,...please post.

The YPA and being 17th or so in the league in pressure % go together just fine.

Originally posted by NCommand:

100%.

lol....you'd think some of us here are running for office or something.

Oh, so now clocked times and ranking's are bias? 🤦

Dude, if you want to believe the O line has been stellar this season than good for you. But I base my opinions on observation+data. You all should know this by now.

So was Banks cleared to play in that game but just didn't play?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Oh, so now clocked times and ranking's are bias? 🤦

Dude, if you want to believe the O line has been stellar this season than good for you. But I base my opinions on observation+data. You all should know this by now.

You gave a reason for Brock having a high YPA with our pressure rate being so high.

I simply asked for comparable results of the last 20 years or so with such an extremely high YPA but a pressure rate that is extremely low as well.

I'd be shocked to see another one so high with a pressure rate that is miniscule.

Didn't ask for or suggest a reason for why. But if we're going to explain "why" Brock's YPA is high,...then we have to do it for everyone else as well. Anything else is what we call inherent bias.

I'd much rather just put the numbers side by side and evaluate afterwards.

If you have them by all means,...produce them.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Oh, so now clocked times and ranking's are bias? 🤦

Dude, if you want to believe the O line has been stellar this season than good for you. But I base my opinions on observation+data. You all should know this by now.

You gave a reason for Brock having a high YPA with our pressure rate being so high.

I simply asked for comparable results of the last 20 years or so with such an extremely high YPA but a pressure rate that is extremely low as well.

I'd be shocked to see another one so high with a pressure rate that is miniscule.

Didn't ask for or suggest a reason for why. But if we're going to explain "why" Brock's YPA is high,...then we have to do it for everyone else as well. Anything else is what we call inherent bias.

I'd much rather just put the numbers side by side and evaluate afterwards.

If you have them by all means,...produce them.

I can honestly say that I have never seen anyone throw with the level of anticipation that Brock throws with. But you can go a head and prove me wrong if you like. I'm going to need some all-22 film of another QB doing it as consistently as I have witnessed Brock this season.

Why should certainly be considered since this isn't the Brock thread and the discussion has been about pass pro.

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
So was Banks cleared to play in that game but just didn't play?

Wondering the same thing.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, I recall Nick Foles did pretty good in 2017. I think his OLine had something to do with it.

Nick Foles played well that playoffs. Wasn't ALL due to his O line. That isn't the equivalent of the Bengals nearly winning the SB with a bottom 10 O line at best.

it's just not equal. QB is the most important piece. To bet on the best OL no matter the QB is an idiotic concept.

Did the digging on this site since there were no volunteers, and....

In 2018, Fitz had a higher pressure rate @ 23%.

In 2019 Tannehill had a 24.1% pressure rate.

1998 Chris Chandler, 2000 Kurt Warner, Unavailable,...and I wont even dare to check stuff from the 1950's.

So getting everything into perspective, a 19.9% pressure rate doesn't look so bad anymore,...does it?

The data that we have (from this site at least) 100% supports what I said without a hitch: dont expect a superb pressure rate when you have been feasting on big plays all year.

Kind of a "no duhh" thing from my vantage point,...and context is everything.

Off the cuff, I can tell you Fitz was a Harvard guy. Not even close to the greatest athlete out there throwing, but knowing where everyone is and throwing with anticipation was what he was all about.

Brock's not the 1st QB to throw with anticipation or survive a 19% pressure rate, and he certainly won't be the last.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Bucs OL, LA, Chiefs...Brady, Stafford and Mahomes were all totally different QB's the next year without their tier 1 OL's.

It's all interconnected.

Because OLs can't be terrible by and large (Joe Burrow notwithstanding)

Originally posted by random49er:


Did the digging on this site since there were no volunteers, and....

In 2018, Fitz had a higher pressure rate @ 23%.

In 2019 Tannehill had a 24.1% pressure rate.

1998 Chris Chandler, 2000 Kurt Warner, Unavailable,...and I wont even dare to check stuff from the 1950's.

So getting everything into perspective, a 19.9% pressure rate doesn't look so bad anymore,...does it?

The data that we have (from this site at least) 100% supports what I said without a hitch: dont expect a superb pressure rate when you have been feasting on big plays all year.

Kind of a "no duhh" thing from my vantage point,...and context is everything.

Off the cuff, I can tell you Fitz was a Harvard guy. Not even close to the greatest athlete out there throwing, but knowing where everyone is and throwing with anticipation was what he was all about.

Brock's not the 1st QB to throw with anticipation or survive a 19% pressure rate, and he certainly won't be the last.

Think it's worth pointing out Fitz' numbers were over 7 starts and Passmaster Tannehill had 10.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by random49er:


Did the digging on this site since there were no volunteers, and....

In 2018, Fitz had a higher pressure rate @ 23%.

In 2019 Tannehill had a 24.1% pressure rate.

1998 Chris Chandler, 2000 Kurt Warner, Unavailable,...and I wont even dare to check stuff from the 1950's.

So getting everything into perspective, a 19.9% pressure rate doesn't look so bad anymore,...does it?

The data that we have (from this site at least) 100% supports what I said without a hitch: dont expect a superb pressure rate when you have been feasting on big plays all year.

Kind of a "no duhh" thing from my vantage point,...and context is everything.

Off the cuff, I can tell you Fitz was a Harvard guy. Not even close to the greatest athlete out there throwing, but knowing where everyone is and throwing with anticipation was what he was all about.

Brock's not the 1st QB to throw with anticipation or survive a 19% pressure rate, and he certainly won't be the last.

Think it's worth pointing out Fitz' numbers were over 7 starts and Passmaster Tannehill had 10.

Only furthers the point. Thanks.

Numbers-wise,.... it's been an incredible year.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
So was Banks cleared to play in that game but just didn't play?

Wondering the same thing.

Yeah, it sounded like he was cleared to play so I was surprised to see Feliciano playing for him esp. b/c that was a 2 position switch and Kyle hates that. That toe must have flared up.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
To bet on the best OL no matter the QB is an idiotic concept.

Your interpretation of that bet, even after described 100 times to you, is what's truly idiotic.

Moore, Feliciano, Brendal, Burford, Mckivitz Start. Bartch, Pryor play a lot. Banks, Williams don't see the field. Mckivitz and Feliciano get some rest later unless the rest Brendal later and Feliciano plays some center. Hard to rest everyone.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Your interpretation of that bet, even after described 100 times to you, is what's truly idiotic.

Understand it just fine. So does everyone else.