49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
lol, I would submit the above as a textbook case, of ppl coming up with an argument first, and fitting all facts to match it second. Which is doing it backwards btw. How else do you ignore Wirfs like he never happened? It would be like saying the Lions did nothing to dramatically upgrade their RB room, nevermind this Gibbs character..

so it's a thread of ppl with their mind made up, and bending all reality to their own presuppositions..

lol This is rich. Btw who do you think had a better year, Gibbs or Swift?

It's irrelevant, you indicated they didn't make changes. They did. Splashing down a top half of round 1 pick on the position, is making a pretty big change / investment. You only gloss over that (with no mention of it), cuz you are trying to win an argument, reality be darned..

I didn't say anything of the sort, keep muddying the waters. I don't need to gloss over anything to win this argument, the #s do that for me and show someone was lying about them having a tier 1/top 5 OL prior to Brady. And this is who you are hitching your wagon to ????

You were replying to Yac and he asked if Tampa made OL changes before and after Brady, and you said 'They didn't"
I disagree, Wirfs was an indeed a change and a pretty big one, great player from the jump
moving on..

I said they didn't drastically change the OL…because they didn't lol. You are trying to hard.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why didn't you give our O line such leniency when Trent Williams was hobbling around on one foot in 2021?

I mean where the hell were the bucs O line depth?

It's no more complicated than he needs to excuse away Jimmys substandard play in the NFC title game. Which of course Faithful automatically co-signs.

PFF, sacks and hits are back!!!

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
I said they didn't drastically change the OL…because they didn't lol. You are trying to hard.

I guess the 9ers drastically changed their OL when they traded for Trent.

Since we have a liar in here I should let it be known I was not thrilled with kinlaw pick 🤣. What a loser

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That O line was good from 2020-2022 and then suddenly took a dive in 2023 after Tom retired. Are we supposed to believe that is just a coincidence?

Notice I'm not disputing the premise, that TB12 makes all around him better. I don't see anyone disputing that. I'm saying they drafted a OL at 13, who yes made an impact. To pretend that didn't happen, as some sort of it can't happen, cuz it has to be all Tom Brady, for the sake of my argument, is denying reality friends..

Simply look what happened to Brady after the OL injuries the next year when he retired. Why couldn't Brady transcend that to another playoff and/or Superbowl win.

You need both.

Tom Brady's sack% was the lowest it had been in Tampa in 2022.

lol at injury takes.. well yeah injuries sure dampen things

I wish NC would have given us the injury excuse in 2021 when Trent Williams was hobbling on one leg. But I guess excuses are only valid for other teams.

It affects pocket passers tremendously. And I did.

The problem was Jimmy isn't a HOF QB and Brady wasn't playing behind a 1-legged TW and the rest of the below average OL: Laken Tomlinson, Ben Garland, Tom Compton, Mike Person, Mike McGlinchey, Daniel Brunskill, etc.

Brady was playing behind a tier 1 OL that had injuries. And it lead to his retirement.

Are you really trying to compare the 2 QB's and OL's as equal?

I am saying that a QB has more impact on the perceived quality of pass pro than the actual O line. Take for example our O line this season. Ask anyone in sports media and they will tell you that the 49ers have a great pass pro O line. But us 49ers fans who actually watch these games and know what they are watching know that this O line is average at pass pro at best.

Any QB worth his ridiculous salary is quick and decisive enough to render a pass rush inaffective. We witnessed this a couple times this year with our pass rush. The only thing that can disrupt a quick and decisive QB is pass coverage that makes him hold the ball longer than he wants to.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
I said they didn't drastically change the OL…because they didn't lol. You are trying to hard.

I guess the 9ers drastically changed their OL when they traded for Trent.

No, when they used a top 10 pick on MM.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
I said they didn't drastically change the OL…because they didn't lol. You are trying to hard.

I guess the 9ers drastically changed their OL when they traded for Trent.

I have no clue how NC survives in this thread long as he does, I can't do it

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
I said they didn't drastically change the OL…because they didn't lol. You are trying to hard.

I guess the 9ers drastically changed their OL when they traded for Trent.

I have no clue how NC survives in this thread long as he does, I can't do it

Because an argument with NC is like

The reality is we got two guys that think QB is a fungible position that doesn't need to be invested in. The lines are all that matters.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Because an argument with NC is like

NC and Faithful are like two peas in a pod Yac.

QB proof the team baby. Invest only in OL.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Because an argument with NC is like

NC and Faithful are like two peas in a pod Yac.

QB proof the team baby. Invest only in OL.

The pitfalls of trying to debate a narcissist and a contrarian

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
The pitfalls of trying to debate a narcissist and a contrarian

Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
I said they didn't drastically change the OL…because they didn't lol. You are trying to hard.

I guess the 9ers drastically changed their OL when they traded for Trent.

I have no clue how NC survives in this thread long as he does, I can't do it

Any attention is good attention for him and you already know this. Stop the ⛽🔥

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I am saying that a QB has more impact on the perceived quality of pass pro than the actual O line. Take for example our O line this season. Ask anyone in sports media and they will tell you that the 49ers have a great pass pro O line. But us 49ers fans who actually watch these games and know what they are watching know that this O line is average at pass pro at best.

Any QB worth his ridiculous salary is quick and decisive enough to render a pass rush inaffective. We witnessed this a couple times this year with our pass rush. The only thing that can disrupt a quick and decisive QB is pass coverage that makes him hold the ball longer than he wants to.

It's always interesting to read comments from teams with bad QBs (or specifically QBs who struggle in the pocket). Complaints about the OL are near universal. Wilson and Fields come to mind as examples. Small sample size, but IIRC the Bears OL statistics were significantly improved when Bagent had his 2-3 starts.

There were even debates with a great QB like Rodgers who could hold the ball too long, be too cautious, and look to break the pocket out of structure.