49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Since no team ever does this... Nor ever will (because of the ignorant tunnel vision it would involve with millions of dollars at stake)... They rely on the fact that we cant instantly outline that these crazy ideas are blatantly false.

Imagine that?

Im all for everyone having their own opinion. Just dont completely take over thread topics and gatekeep it with nonsense.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Since no team ever does this... Nor ever will (because of the ignorant tunnel vision it would involve with millions of dollars at stake)... They rely on the fact that we cant instantly outline that these crazy ideas are blatantly false.

Imagine that?

Im all for everyone having their own opinion. Just dont completely take over thread topics and gatekeep it with nonsense.

With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Originally posted by bassmanr:
With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Hasnt helped the last 3 years all that much. Why? They made a tomato can their starting QB.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That O line was good from 2020-2022 and then suddenly took a dive in 2023 after Tom retired. Are we supposed to believe that is just a coincidence?

Notice I'm not disputing the premise, that TB12 makes all around him better. I don't see anyone disputing that. I'm saying they drafted a OL at 13, who yes made an impact. To pretend that didn't happen, as some sort of it can't happen, cuz it has to be all Tom Brady, for the sake of my argument, is denying reality friends..

Simply look what happened to Brady after the OL injuries the next year when he retired. Why couldn't Brady transcend that to another playoff and/or Superbowl win.

You need both.

Tom Brady's sack% was the lowest it had been in Tampa in 2022.

lol at injury takes.. well yeah injuries sure dampen things

I wish NC would have given us the injury excuse in 2021 when Trent Williams was hobbling on one leg. But I guess excuses are only valid for other teams.

It affects pocket passers tremendously. And I did.

The problem was Jimmy isn't a HOF QB and Brady wasn't playing behind a 1-legged TW and the rest of the below average OL: Laken Tomlinson, Ben Garland, Tom Compton, Mike Person, Mike McGlinchey, Daniel Brunskill, etc.

Brady was playing behind a tier 1 OL that had injuries. And it lead to his retirement.

Are you really trying to compare the 2 QB's and OL's as equal?

I am saying that a QB has more impact on the perceived quality of pass pro than the actual O line. Take for example our O line this season. Ask anyone in sports media and they will tell you that the 49ers have a great pass pro O line. But us 49ers fans who actually watch these games and know what they are watching know that this O line is average at pass pro at best.

Any QB worth his ridiculous salary is quick and decisive enough to render a pass rush inaffective. We witnessed this a couple times this year with our pass rush. The only thing that can disrupt a quick and decisive QB is pass coverage that makes him hold the ball longer than he wants to.

No, you're trying to compare a HOF QB to Jimmy coupled with a tier 1 OL vs. our poor OL talent. Which is asinine.

Then you ignore talent on the OL while ignoring the massive drop off in QB talent and stylistic play that plays right into the very stats you're assigning to the OL as well as injuries and how that affected said QB.

No offense, but that is some superficial surface level thinking.

As to the bold, you're literally doing the exact same thing in your argument here. Brock is playing at an MVP level. The difference is he's not playing behind that level of talent. It's tier 2. You throw Justin Fields (stylistically) behind this current OL, he'd have 50 sacks. Does that mean a tier 2 OL is now a tier 6? Of course not.

It works both ways. You need both.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
I said they didn't drastically change the OL…because they didn't lol. You are trying to hard.

I guess the 9ers drastically changed their OL when they traded for Trent.

I have no clue how NC survives in this thread long as he does, I can't do it

If they haven't gotten it for 7 straight years, why would you think they'd get it in year 8?

You need both. And yes, if you have a QB playing at an MVP level, tier 2 OL might work too.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Since no team ever does this... Nor ever will (because of the ignorant tunnel vision it would involve with millions of dollars at stake)... They rely on the fact that we cant instantly outline that these crazy ideas are blatantly false.

Imagine that?

Im all for everyone having their own opinion. Just dont completely take over thread topics and gatekeep it with nonsense.

With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

just looked at their run from 2014-2020, the highest picks they used on OL were Wynn in 1st and Thuney in 3rd, no big FA acquisitions and the only big trade was when they traded the niners a 3rd for Brown. Going bs k further from 05-13, only high draft pick was Solder in 1st in 11, Volmer in 2nd in 09 and mankins in 1st in 05

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Since no team ever does this... Nor ever will (because of the ignorant tunnel vision it would involve with millions of dollars at stake)... They rely on the fact that we cant instantly outline that these crazy ideas are blatantly false.

Imagine that?

Im all for everyone having their own opinion. Just dont completely take over thread topics and gatekeep it with nonsense.

With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Every smart HC knows, the second you get a tier 1 QB, especially if he's a classic drop back QB, you do everything in your power to get him a tier 1 OL.

How these guys ignore that, even recently, is beyond me.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Since no team ever does this... Nor ever will (because of the ignorant tunnel vision it would involve with millions of dollars at stake)... They rely on the fact that we cant instantly outline that these crazy ideas are blatantly false.

Imagine that?

Im all for everyone having their own opinion. Just dont completely take over thread topics and gatekeep it with nonsense.

With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Every smart HC knows, the second you get a tier 1 QB, especially if he's a classic drop back QB, you do everything in your power to get him a tier 1 OL.

How these guys ignore that, even recently, is beyond me.

We have def ignored it, but its also true the o line quality has dropped so its much harder to find a kid who can hit the ground running out of the gate. Which to me is why I would draft o line even more so.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Since no team ever does this... Nor ever will (because of the ignorant tunnel vision it would involve with millions of dollars at stake)... They rely on the fact that we cant instantly outline that these crazy ideas are blatantly false.

Imagine that?

Im all for everyone having their own opinion. Just dont completely take over thread topics and gatekeep it with nonsense.

With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Every smart HC knows, the second you get a tier 1 QB, especially if he's a classic drop back QB, you do everything in your power to get him a tier 1 OL.

How these guys ignore that, even recently, is beyond me.

We have def ignored it, but its also true the o line quality has dropped so its much harder to find a kid who can hit the ground running out of the gate. Which to me is why I would draft o line even more so.

Right. Wirfs was a homerun pick and rare. Rookie that plays at an all pro level out of the gate. Buy, trade, draft, develop, etc. Do whatever it takes to allow your FQB to play at an optimal level.

Imagine fighting against that strategy as a fan. Imagine expecting that FQB to transcend the list of garbage I noted previously in front of him (not to mention all the OL injuries over the years here too).

Good luck with that proven losing formula.

🤣 more bad faith arguments

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Since no team ever does this... Nor ever will (because of the ignorant tunnel vision it would involve with millions of dollars at stake)... They rely on the fact that we cant instantly outline that these crazy ideas are blatantly false.

Imagine that?

Im all for everyone having their own opinion. Just dont completely take over thread topics and gatekeep it with nonsense.

With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Every smart HC knows, the second you get a tier 1 QB, especially if he's a classic drop back QB, you do everything in your power to get him a tier 1 OL.

How these guys ignore that, even recently, is beyond me.

We have def ignored it, but its also true the o line quality has dropped so its much harder to find a kid who can hit the ground running out of the gate. Which to me is why I would draft o line even more so.

Right. Wirfs was a homerun pick and rare. Rookie that plays at an all pro level out of the gate. Buy, trade, draft, develop, etc. Do whatever it takes to allow your FQB to play at an optimal level.

Imagine fighting against that strategy as a fan. Imagine expecting that FQB to transcend the list of garbage I noted previously in front of him (not to mention all the OL injuries over the years here too).

Good luck with that proven losing formula.

You got me bro. We both wanted Wirfs as well. Imagine if they drafted him and still got Trent. oooof.

You and I are old school: O line and D line first, everything else comes after. Now we know in reality that's hard to do, but I also completely agree that once you have found your FQB you should be focused on providing him the best o-line possible.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Since no team ever does this... Nor ever will (because of the ignorant tunnel vision it would involve with millions of dollars at stake)... They rely on the fact that we cant instantly outline that these crazy ideas are blatantly false.

Imagine that?

Im all for everyone having their own opinion. Just dont completely take over thread topics and gatekeep it with nonsense.

With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Every smart HC knows, the second you get a tier 1 QB, especially if he's a classic drop back QB, you do everything in your power to get him a tier 1 OL.

How these guys ignore that, even recently, is beyond me.

Bingo. Unless you want to be the NYJ,

Originally posted by NCommand:
Right. Wirfs was a homerun pick and rare. Rookie that plays at an all pro level out of the gate. Buy, trade, draft, develop, etc. Do whatever it takes to allow your FQB to play at an optimal level.

Imagine fighting against that strategy as a fan. Imagine expecting that FQB to transcend the list of garbage I noted previously in front of him (not to mention all the OL injuries over the years here too).

Good luck with that proven losing formula.

Resources for improvement are finite. Available talent is finite. Success in acquisition is hit and miss. The rest of the team also has to be addressed.

There aint a fan alive that doesn't want 5 all pro OL.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Hasnt helped the last 3 years all that much. Why? They made a tomato can their starting QB.

Yes but they had nothing anywhere even their line. Tomato can is accurate... lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Right. Wirfs was a homerun pick and rare. Rookie that plays at an all pro level out of the gate. Buy, trade, draft, develop, etc. Do whatever it takes to allow your FQB to play at an optimal level.

Imagine fighting against that strategy as a fan. Imagine expecting that FQB to transcend the list of garbage I noted previously in front of him (not to mention all the OL injuries over the years here too).

Good luck with that proven losing formula.

Resources for improvement are finite. Available talent is finite. Success in acquisition is hit and miss. The rest of the team also has to be addressed.

There aint a fan alive that doesn't want 5 all pro OL.

True...lots of ways to build a team but we're talking 7 off seasons. That's more than enough time to build up your trenches to optimal level esp. the second you think you've got your FQB (from Jimmy to Trey to Brock).

Let's start with 2 at the same time? Haha