49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You got me bro. We both wanted Wirfs as well. Imagine if they drafted him and still got Trent. oooof.

Imagine if we drafted Brady?

Or Lamar Jackson?

Or Mahomes?

I mean we can go on forever with "What ifs." They don't really serve much of a purpose though.

Pretending we had a chance to draft wirf is also hilarious

I mean, we had a chance. Tackle was just not considered a "need" at that point with MM.

oh s**t, i forgot about that trade

Originally posted by Waterbear:
No im pretty sure we traded down with Tampa one spot, no trade up needed

Good call. Definitely forgot about that.

Fire Lynch and Shanahan, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Good call. Definitely forgot about that.

Fire Lynch and Shanahan, lol.

Of course the 4th received for the trade down was used to move up for Aiyuk. Hard to know if that still happens without it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Good call. Definitely forgot about that.

Fire Lynch and Shanahan, lol.

Of course the 4th received for the trade down was used to move up for Aiyuk. Hard to know if that still happens without it.

one thing for sure, is we would still have Jimmy that year. Can't win with a less than tier 1 QB from what i've been told

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I don't buy for one second NC thinks a QB is important. It's a nice to have. Nothing is more important than the OL.

If NC was the Bears GM there is no doubt he takes a OT first overall. Faithful would then praise it as being a great selection as QBs bust too much.

I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah I would say the issue is while we have very talented roster the o line is glaringly weak. RT and RG especially. I mean without Trent the o-line is barely mediocre. I get not every position can be all pro, but RT is like a D- and can easily cost us the W.

McKivitz isn't a D-. Come on now.

Want D-? Watch Evan Neal play. A guy NC would've given the Giants an A+ for drafting.

I'd give them an A+ if they drafted and developed, bought and traded for the right guys and built a tier 1 OL.

But keep fighting against that very principle. It's clearly been a winning formula.

You've been dying on that hill 8 straight years now.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Danka.

I'm talking going all the way back to Joe and Steve.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Notice how he doesn't actually ever say O line pass protection when mentioning those QB injuries. He carefully uses the term unit pass protection. As if the O line is also responsible for Jimmy tearing his ACL outside the pocket, Trey breaking his ankle on a QB draw when he had reached the second level of the defense or Brock with a UCL tear because of a poor blocking effort by a TE. None of those major injuries were due to the O line.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Notice how he doesn't actually ever say O line pass protection when mentioning those QB injuries. He carefully uses the term unit pass protection. As if the O line is also responsible for Jimmy tearing his ACL outside the pocket, Trey breaking his ankle on a QB draw when he had reached the second level of the defense or Brock with a UCL tear because of a poor blocking effort by a TE. None of those major injuries were due to the O line.

always has an angle with everything he posts

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

You clearly don't. It's why you bet on the Lions. Actions speak louder than words.

Was Feliciano still injured against the Rams ? Thought he was active, but also saw he played 0 snaps in a game where most backups got burn and starters still played some snaps.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'd give them an A+ if they drafted and developed, bought and traded for the right guys and built a tier 1 OL.

But keep fighting against that very principle. It's clearly been a winning formula.

You've been dying on that hill 8 straight years now.

Yeah, I was hoping McGlinchy would be another Trent Williams but he turned out to be more like Kwami Harris in pass protection.

Banks, and Mckivitz look good so far. Burford, Moore and zakelj haven't produced much as I'd hope. On DLine, Solomon, Kinlaw and Drake haven't been hits either. They have been stacking DLine talent without much to show for it, and they haven't done much on the OLine, and it shows.

That can be fixed with a good 2024 O line draft, but they actually have to draft OLinemen to fix the problem.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Daft late round rookie QBs and spend big FA money on mediocre vet QBs who you limped into playoffs with.

Draft only OL

This is the way

Since no team ever does this... Nor ever will (because of the ignorant tunnel vision it would involve with millions of dollars at stake)... They rely on the fact that we cant instantly outline that these crazy ideas are blatantly false.

Imagine that?

Im all for everyone having their own opinion. Just dont completely take over thread topics and gatekeep it with nonsense.

With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Every smart HC knows, the second you get a tier 1 QB, especially if he's a classic drop back QB, you do everything in your power to get him a tier 1 OL.

How these guys ignore that, even recently, is beyond me.

Bingo. Unless you want to be the NYJ,

Yup. Would tier 2-3 QB's like Goff and Mayfield have won their divisions and made the playoffs if they didn't have tier 1, top 5 OL?

It works both ways. You need both. And yes, a top QB is still more important than a top OL. But they're both very important (esp. together) to a winning formula.

Agree that you need both. 49ers aren't that far off from a top OLine unit, just missing two players on the right side. The ones there are above average, (Feliciano and Mckivitz) but they can do a lot better next year with a decent draft.

Foerster is very good OLine coach, but he can only make lemonade with lemons. Give him some top of the line grapes from a gold medal Vinyard and we will have Vilmart & Cie.