49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by bassmanr:
With the exception of having Brady, the Patriots always spent heavy resources on their line. The skill players would come and go along with the defenders.

I would like to try the experiment though. I know it would never happen but would be Hella interesting.

Patriots has Scarneccea who was Bobb Mckittrick level coaching. Foerster (I think) is near that level, but needs better players to work his magic. Kocurek couldn't do anything much with Kinlaw and Drake (so far) despite the 49ers spending a ton of high level draft capital on the DLine.

Just got to keep shooting though, you miss one hundred percent of the shots you don't take. Specially now that ShanaLynch has a legit franchise QB to keep healthy for the next 15+ years.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Notice how he doesn't actually ever say O line pass protection when mentioning those QB injuries. He carefully uses the term unit pass protection. As if the O line is also responsible for Jimmy tearing his ACL outside the pocket, Trey breaking his ankle on a QB draw when he had reached the second level of the defense or Brock with a UCL tear because of a poor blocking effort by a TE. None of those major injuries were due to the O line.

Pass protection extends well beyond just the OL. Kyle knows this intimately from the Atlanta Superbowl loss. Montana beat to hell from failed pick ups. Young ended his career on a failed pick up by the RB. Brock and the TE fail. Jimmy post injuries from insta-pressures and failed pick ups.

When run blocking is your emphasis and not pass protection, it extends to the unit that is responsible for protecting your QB.

When pass protection fails (OL+), QB's get hurt. It's just a matter of time.

PS: CMC has been extremely helpful in this area.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Goff won the division multiple times and went to SB without one.

Yup, with the same tier 1 OL Stafford won a Superbowl with. You need both.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

You clearly don't. It's why you bet on the Lions. Actions speak louder than words.

I bet on whichever teams happened to have been in tier 1 at the time. And the Lions are now a division winner and playoff team and Goff has played the best stretch of his career behind that tier 1 OL.

Maybe you didn't know this but Detroit hasn't exactly had much success over the years. LOL.

Spending the most on their OL as their first team building strategy proved to be a smart move esp. for a tier 2-3 QB like Goff.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Notice how he doesn't actually ever say O line pass protection when mentioning those QB injuries. He carefully uses the term unit pass protection. As if the O line is also responsible for Jimmy tearing his ACL outside the pocket, Trey breaking his ankle on a QB draw when he had reached the second level of the defense or Brock with a UCL tear because of a poor blocking effort by a TE. None of those major injuries were due to the O line.

Pass protection extends well beyond just the OL. Kyle knows this intimately from the Atlanta Superbowl loss. Montana beat to hell from failed pick ups. Young ended his career on a failed pick up by the RB. Brock and the TE fail. Jimmy post injuries from insta-pressures and failed pick ups.

When run blocking is your emphasis and not pass protection, it extends to the unit that is responsible for protecting your QB.

When pass protection fails (OL+), QB's get hurt. It's just a matter of time.

PS: CMC has been extremely helpful in this area.

We should change this thread title to the unit pass protection thread if that is the case. Because the O line is strictly from LT to RT. Blaming the O line because of what a TE did or didn't do is disengenuous. It wouldn't matter how much upgrading we did on the O line if the TE still misses a block and allows a pass rusher to get by.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Notice how he doesn't actually ever say O line pass protection when mentioning those QB injuries. He carefully uses the term unit pass protection. As if the O line is also responsible for Jimmy tearing his ACL outside the pocket, Trey breaking his ankle on a QB draw when he had reached the second level of the defense or Brock with a UCL tear because of a poor blocking effort by a TE. None of those major injuries were due to the O line.

Pass protection extends well beyond just the OL. Kyle knows this intimately from the Atlanta Superbowl loss. Montana beat to hell from failed pick ups. Young ended his career on a failed pick up by the RB. Brock and the TE fail. Jimmy post injuries from insta-pressures and failed pick ups.

When run blocking is your emphasis and not pass protection, it extends to the unit that is responsible for protecting your QB.

When pass protection fails (OL+), QB's get hurt. It's just a matter of time.

PS: CMC has been extremely helpful in this area.

We should change this thread title to the unit pass protection thread if that is the case. Because the O line is strictly from LT to RT. Blaming the O line because of what a TE did or didn't do is disengenuous. It wouldn't matter how much upgrading we did on the O line if the TE still misses a block and allows a pass rusher to get by.

I understand. It's a systemic issue IMHO. Where the focus and priority is. I have no issues talking just OL but my biggest concern has always been PP in general because it always rears its ugly head in the playoffs and when it matters most.

Have any stats on the rest of the unit PP team?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup, with the same tier 1 OL Stafford won a Superbowl with. You need both.

So Rams OL was tier 1 from 2017-2021?

Originally posted by NCommand:
I bet on whichever teams happened to have been in tier 1 at the time. And the Lions are now a division winner and playoff team and Goff has played the best stretch of his career behind that tier 1 OL.

Maybe you didn't know this but Detroit hasn't exactly had much success over the years. LOL.

Spending the most on their OL as their first team building strategy proved to be a smart move esp. for a tier 2-3 QB like Goff.

Couldnr coincidence with Cousins getting hurt and the Packers moving on from Rodgers. All success due to the O line. Nothing else.

Goff was successful in LA too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

You clearly don't. It's why you bet on the Lions. Actions speak louder than words.

I bet on whichever teams happened to have been in tier 1 at the time. And the Lions are now a division winner and playoff team and Goff has played the best stretch of his career behind that tier 1 OL.

Maybe you didn't know this but Detroit hasn't exactly had much success over the years. LOL.

Spending the most on their OL as their first team building strategy proved to be a smart move esp. for a tier 2-3 QB like Goff.

Lololol bruh gaslighting over here. Gibbs, Cambell, Branch and LaPorta just being ignored to make a smooth brained point.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Notice how he doesn't actually ever say O line pass protection when mentioning those QB injuries. He carefully uses the term unit pass protection. As if the O line is also responsible for Jimmy tearing his ACL outside the pocket, Trey breaking his ankle on a QB draw when he had reached the second level of the defense or Brock with a UCL tear because of a poor blocking effort by a TE. None of those major injuries were due to the O line.

Pass protection extends well beyond just the OL. Kyle knows this intimately from the Atlanta Superbowl loss. Montana beat to hell from failed pick ups. Young ended his career on a failed pick up by the RB. Brock and the TE fail. Jimmy post injuries from insta-pressures and failed pick ups.

When run blocking is your emphasis and not pass protection, it extends to the unit that is responsible for protecting your QB.

When pass protection fails (OL+), QB's get hurt. It's just a matter of time.

PS: CMC has been extremely helpful in this area.

We should change this thread title to the unit pass protection thread if that is the case. Because the O line is strictly from LT to RT. Blaming the O line because of what a TE did or didn't do is disengenuous. It wouldn't matter how much upgrading we did on the O line if the TE still misses a block and allows a pass rusher to get by.

I understand. It's a systemic issue IMHO. Where the focus and priority is. I have no issues talking just OL but my biggest concern has always been PP in general because it always rears its ugly head in the playoffs and when it matters most.

Have any stats on the rest of the unit PP team?

No. I don't because I strictly do research on the O line for the O line thread. Its why I hesitate to include anything rushing because there really isn't any stats that separate the O line run blocking from unit run blocking. Perhaps we need a separate thread for discussion pertaining to all things systemic.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I bet on whichever teams happened to have been in tier 1 at the time. And the Lions are now a division winner and playoff team and Goff has played the best stretch of his career behind that tier 1 OL.

Maybe you didn't know this but Detroit hasn't exactly had much success over the years. LOL.

Spending the most on their OL as their first team building strategy proved to be a smart move esp. for a tier 2-3 QB like Goff.

Couldnr coincidence with Cousins getting hurt and the Packers moving on from Rodgers. All success due to the O line. Nothing else.

Goff was successful in LA too.

Only in your weird ass logic does, "You need both" mean "Only the OL matters."

Your either struggle greatly with intelligence or you're as poor of a troll as the previous blocked are.

Let me know either way. I'd be happy to block you too so we can get back to quality discussion in here.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup, with the same tier 1 OL Stafford won a Superbowl with. You need both.

So Rams OL was tier 1 from 2017-2021?

Rams have always had a good OL. They've got a pretty good one now too after the turnover/rebuild. Rams had tier 1 OL before Stafford arrived (like Brady).

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

Couldn't* care less :)

We've had QB injuries but I'm not sure they are necessarily the fault of the OL right? Definitely none of the major ones suffered by Jimmy, Trey, or Brock.

Notice how he doesn't actually ever say O line pass protection when mentioning those QB injuries. He carefully uses the term unit pass protection. As if the O line is also responsible for Jimmy tearing his ACL outside the pocket, Trey breaking his ankle on a QB draw when he had reached the second level of the defense or Brock with a UCL tear because of a poor blocking effort by a TE. None of those major injuries were due to the O line.

Pass protection extends well beyond just the OL. Kyle knows this intimately from the Atlanta Superbowl loss. Montana beat to hell from failed pick ups. Young ended his career on a failed pick up by the RB. Brock and the TE fail. Jimmy post injuries from insta-pressures and failed pick ups.

When run blocking is your emphasis and not pass protection, it extends to the unit that is responsible for protecting your QB.

When pass protection fails (OL+), QB's get hurt. It's just a matter of time.

PS: CMC has been extremely helpful in this area.

We should change this thread title to the unit pass protection thread if that is the case. Because the O line is strictly from LT to RT. Blaming the O line because of what a TE did or didn't do is disengenuous. It wouldn't matter how much upgrading we did on the O line if the TE still misses a block and allows a pass rusher to get by.

I understand. It's a systemic issue IMHO. Where the focus and priority is. I have no issues talking just OL but my biggest concern has always been PP in general because it always rears its ugly head in the playoffs and when it matters most.

Have any stats on the rest of the unit PP team?

No. I don't because I strictly do research on the O line for the O line thread. Its why I hesitate to include anything rushing because there really isn't any stats that separate the O line run blocking from unit run blocking. Perhaps we need a separate thread for discussion pertaining to all things systemic.

Fair enough. I'd love to look at the whole picture esp. because run blocking (as a unit) is their strength and that shouldn't be diminished in the grand scheme of things. I'm not sure how we'd do that though.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I personally could care less what you think. You're a clown if you don't think I covet a FQB. In fact, the very basis of this entire THREAD is to protect that very FQB because we know from our very own history what happens to those without great unit PP.

But you do, you.

You clearly don't. It's why you bet on the Lions. Actions speak louder than words.

I bet on whichever teams happened to have been in tier 1 at the time. And the Lions are now a division winner and playoff team and Goff has played the best stretch of his career behind that tier 1 OL.

Maybe you didn't know this but Detroit hasn't exactly had much success over the years. LOL.

Spending the most on their OL as their first team building strategy proved to be a smart move esp. for a tier 2-3 QB like Goff.

Lololol bruh gaslighting over here. Gibbs, Cambell, Branch and LaPorta just being ignored to make a smooth brained point.

You mean you can do all that at the same time starting a rebuild? No way. I thought year 9 was when you can focus on the OL after everything else is built? I guess it's how a GM prioritizes things then. Interesting.

Also, I don't think you know what gas lighting means. You sound like Hoov.