49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's what makes the draft interesting for me. You truly never know what any GM/Coach is going to do in the draft. After the first two picks - it's basically unpredictable at that point.

Having said that, Kyle's made up for a lot of his OLine shortcomings with his free agency acquisitions. That always seems a positive and not a negative attribute in Kyle's case. I think he does this on purpose. So he can devote the draft to his weakness (in a sense) the defense. I.e. he's not a defensive coach, and he'll let his offensive expertise make up the talent differential on the offense (and more specifically) the offensive line - and let the defense have all the athletic talent. Just a theory.

Kyle is well versed on the Defensive side... Trying to turn opinions into facts is whats causing this thread to turn to crap

Defense is more about talent than scheme.

That's if you have the talent, but that is irrelevant to your statement of Kyle not knowing Defense

Kyle promotes all his offensive coaches to study the Defensive side first as he did. It's the basis of how he can exploit defenses with his scheme

I never said Kyle *didn't know defense* - I said - it's not his strength.

LOL. All.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's what makes the draft interesting for me. You truly never know what any GM/Coach is going to do in the draft. After the first two picks - it's basically unpredictable at that point.

Having said that, Kyle's made up for a lot of his OLine shortcomings with his free agency acquisitions. That always seems a positive and not a negative attribute in Kyle's case. I think he does this on purpose. So he can devote the draft to his weakness (in a sense) the defense. I.e. he's not a defensive coach, and he'll let his offensive expertise make up the talent differential on the offense (and more specifically) the offensive line - and let the defense have all the athletic talent. Just a theory.

Kyle is well versed on the Defensive side... Trying to turn opinions into facts is whats causing this thread to turn to crap

Defense is more about talent than scheme.

That's if you have the talent, but that is irrelevant to your statement of Kyle not knowing Defense

Kyle promotes all his offensive coaches to study the Defensive side first as he did. It's the basis of how he can exploit defenses with his scheme

I never said Kyle *didn't know defense* - I said - it's not his strength.

LOL. All.

Reminds me of SmokeyJoe saying he didn't say what he said he said.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
If you subtract feliciano I think this is the worst group kyles has since he took over coaching... The whole right side is turnstile bad... Brendel is worse than that previous underachiever we had at center too.

I don't recall us having that before.

Alex Mack.

It's a fair point. The difference has really been health overall and like you said, having Feliciano step in and play as well as Banks and better than Burford. Run blocking has been excellent though...probably the best we've had. Pass protection? About the same or a little worse.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Reminds me of SmokeyJoe saying he didn't say what he said he said.

Really?

There's something wrong with you. It's not my fault you have poor reading comprehension. You can't understand the difference between my opinion about a player and what's a benefit for the team. Pages and pages of trying to walk you through the difference.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's what makes the draft interesting for me. You truly never know what any GM/Coach is going to do in the draft. After the first two picks - it's basically unpredictable at that point.

Having said that, Kyle's made up for a lot of his OLine shortcomings with his free agency acquisitions. That always seems a positive and not a negative attribute in Kyle's case. I think he does this on purpose. So he can devote the draft to his weakness (in a sense) the defense. I.e. he's not a defensive coach, and he'll let his offensive expertise make up the talent differential on the offense (and more specifically) the offensive line - and let the defense have all the athletic talent. Just a theory.

Kyle is well versed on the Defensive side... Trying to turn opinions into facts is whats causing this thread to turn to crap

Defense is more about talent than scheme.

That's if you have the talent, but that is irrelevant to your statement of Kyle not knowing Defense

Kyle promotes all his offensive coaches to study the Defensive side first as he did. It's the basis of how he can exploit defenses with his scheme

I never said Kyle *didn't know defense* - I said - it's not his strength.

LOL. All.

Reminds me of SmokeyJoe saying he didn't say what he said he said.

He's blocked so I didn't even need to see what he said but instantly recognized the trend just by your response. LOL

"That's not what I said" is the most common response to All, Hoov, 9ers4eva, etc. It's almost like they're all 1 account.

Originally posted by NCommand:
He's blocked so I didn't even need to see what he said but instantly recognized the trend just by your response. LOL

"That's not what I said" is the most common response to All, Hoov, 9ers4eva, etc. It's almost like they're all 1 account.

Inb4 Geidi bricks reading this post and thinks you blocked me, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
He's blocked so I didn't even need to see what he said but instantly recognized the trend just by your response. LOL

"That's not what I said" is the most common response to All, Hoov, 9ers4eva, etc. It's almost like they're all 1 account.

Inb4 Geidi bricks reading this post and thinks you blocked me, lol.

Whatever you do don't ever challenge him or he will get indignant, block you and then proceed to repeatedly tell everyone how he has you blocked .

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Whatever you do don't ever challenge him or he will get indignant, block you and then proceed to repeatedly tell everyone how he has you blocked .

Like I said before, I have no problem with NC. Not really in to all the long running feuds. If I disagree with him I'll just present an argument and listen to his. If I feel he's acting in bad faith over time I'll just move on. Maybe take a shot or two in good fun.

At least he can read and understand basic English. That's not a given around here, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NCommand:
He's blocked so I didn't even need to see what he said but instantly recognized the trend just by your response. LOL

"That's not what I said" is the most common response to All, Hoov, 9ers4eva, etc. It's almost like they're all 1 account.

Inb4 Geidi bricks reading this post and thinks you blocked me, lol.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Like I said before, I have no problem with NC. Not really in to all the long running feuds. If I disagree with him I'll just present an argument and listen to his. If I feel he's acting in bad faith over time I'll just move on. Maybe take a shot or two in good fun.

At least he can read and understand basic English. That's not a given around here, lol.

I feel the same. It's totally refreshing in here.

And FTR, I actually appreciate being challenged and love different takes. I just bring the trends and my takes. Do what you will with it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's what makes the draft interesting for me. You truly never know what any GM/Coach is going to do in the draft. After the first two picks - it's basically unpredictable at that point.

Having said that, Kyle's made up for a lot of his OLine shortcomings with his free agency acquisitions. That always seems a positive and not a negative attribute in Kyle's case. I think he does this on purpose. So he can devote the draft to his weakness (in a sense) the defense. I.e. he's not a defensive coach, and he'll let his offensive expertise make up the talent differential on the offense (and more specifically) the offensive line - and let the defense have all the athletic talent. Just a theory.

Kyle is well versed on the Defensive side... Trying to turn opinions into facts is whats causing this thread to turn to crap

Defense is more about talent than scheme.

That's if you have the talent, but that is irrelevant to your statement of Kyle not knowing Defense

Kyle promotes all his offensive coaches to study the Defensive side first as he did. It's the basis of how he can exploit defenses with his scheme

I never said Kyle *didn't know defense* - I said - it's not his strength.

LOL. All.

Reminds me of SmokeyJoe saying he didn't say what he said he said.

He's blocked so I didn't even need to see what he said but instantly recognized the trend just by your response. LOL

"That's not what I said" is the most common response to All, Hoov, 9ers4eva, etc. It's almost like they're all 1 account.

Yeah, I can see your point. I think it revolves around semantics and whatnot. Personally, I just want to talk football, not semantics.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's what makes the draft interesting for me. You truly never know what any GM/Coach is going to do in the draft. After the first two picks - it's basically unpredictable at that point.

Having said that, Kyle's made up for a lot of his OLine shortcomings with his free agency acquisitions. That always seems a positive and not a negative attribute in Kyle's case. I think he does this on purpose. So he can devote the draft to his weakness (in a sense) the defense. I.e. he's not a defensive coach, and he'll let his offensive expertise make up the talent differential on the offense (and more specifically) the offensive line - and let the defense have all the athletic talent. Just a theory.

Kyle is well versed on the Defensive side... Trying to turn opinions into facts is whats causing this thread to turn to crap

Defense is more about talent than scheme.

That's if you have the talent, but that is irrelevant to your statement of Kyle not knowing Defense

Kyle promotes all his offensive coaches to study the Defensive side first as he did. It's the basis of how he can exploit defenses with his scheme

I never said Kyle *didn't know defense* - I said - it's not his strength.

said it, didn't say it, you are still implying that Kyle is weak at Defense

We are getting away from the main point here in the thread. Are we failing to build a competitive team that can't win with the current strategy ?

Also, no one is saying they don't want a great OL, but reality is you can't have an entire team of All Pros. It's a give and take, unless you can get lucky like we did in the injured Jimmy years or get to trade for the best LT.

I have no issues with talking about upgrading for the future, but acting like it's solely been the reason for not winning is disingenuous

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's what makes the draft interesting for me. You truly never know what any GM/Coach is going to do in the draft. After the first two picks - it's basically unpredictable at that point.

Having said that, Kyle's made up for a lot of his OLine shortcomings with his free agency acquisitions. That always seems a positive and not a negative attribute in Kyle's case. I think he does this on purpose. So he can devote the draft to his weakness (in a sense) the defense. I.e. he's not a defensive coach, and he'll let his offensive expertise make up the talent differential on the offense (and more specifically) the offensive line - and let the defense have all the athletic talent. Just a theory.

Kyle is well versed on the Defensive side... Trying to turn opinions into facts is whats causing this thread to turn to crap

Defense is more about talent than scheme.

That's if you have the talent, but that is irrelevant to your statement of Kyle not knowing Defense

Kyle promotes all his offensive coaches to study the Defensive side first as he did. It's the basis of how he can exploit defenses with his scheme

I never said Kyle *didn't know defense* - I said - it's not his strength.

LOL. All.

Reminds me of SmokeyJoe saying he didn't say what he said he said.

He's blocked so I didn't even need to see what he said but instantly recognized the trend just by your response. LOL

"That's not what I said" is the most common response to All, Hoov, 9ers4eva, etc. It's almost like they're all 1 account.

Yeah, I can see your point. I think it revolves around semantics and whatnot. Personally, I just want to talk football, not semantics.

lol you're the one who brought up semantics because i didn't post what you said as verbatim

and because of that doesn't mean what you posted is correct, hence "Trying to turn opinions into facts is whats causing this thread to turn to crap"

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's what makes the draft interesting for me. You truly never know what any GM/Coach is going to do in the draft. After the first two picks - it's basically unpredictable at that point.

Having said that, Kyle's made up for a lot of his OLine shortcomings with his free agency acquisitions. That always seems a positive and not a negative attribute in Kyle's case. I think he does this on purpose. So he can devote the draft to his weakness (in a sense) the defense. I.e. he's not a defensive coach, and he'll let his offensive expertise make up the talent differential on the offense (and more specifically) the offensive line - and let the defense have all the athletic talent. Just a theory.

Kyle is well versed on the Defensive side... Trying to turn opinions into facts is whats causing this thread to turn to crap

Defense is more about talent than scheme.

That's if you have the talent, but that is irrelevant to your statement of Kyle not knowing Defense

Kyle promotes all his offensive coaches to study the Defensive side first as he did. It's the basis of how he can exploit defenses with his scheme

I never said Kyle *didn't know defense* - I said - it's not his strength.

LOL. All.

Reminds me of SmokeyJoe saying he didn't say what he said he said.

He's blocked so I didn't even need to see what he said but instantly recognized the trend just by your response. LOL

"That's not what I said" is the most common response to All, Hoov, 9ers4eva, etc. It's almost like they're all 1 account.

Yeah, I can see your point. I think it revolves around semantics and whatnot. Personally, I just want to talk football, not semantics.

And memory retention d/t a lot of drugs. Smokey knows what I'm talking about. j/k

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That's what makes the draft interesting for me. You truly never know what any GM/Coach is going to do in the draft. After the first two picks - it's basically unpredictable at that point.

Having said that, Kyle's made up for a lot of his OLine shortcomings with his free agency acquisitions. That always seems a positive and not a negative attribute in Kyle's case. I think he does this on purpose. So he can devote the draft to his weakness (in a sense) the defense. I.e. he's not a defensive coach, and he'll let his offensive expertise make up the talent differential on the offense (and more specifically) the offensive line - and let the defense have all the athletic talent. Just a theory.

Kyle is well versed on the Defensive side... Trying to turn opinions into facts is whats causing this thread to turn to crap

Defense is more about talent than scheme.

That's if you have the talent, but that is irrelevant to your statement of Kyle not knowing Defense

Kyle promotes all his offensive coaches to study the Defensive side first as he did. It's the basis of how he can exploit defenses with his scheme

I never said Kyle *didn't know defense* - I said - it's not his strength.

said it, didn't say it, you are still implying that Kyle is weak at Defense

We are getting away from the main point here in the thread. Are we failing to build a competitive team that can't win with the current strategy ?

Also, no one is saying they don't want a great OL, but reality is you can't have an entire team of All Pros. It's a give and take, unless you can get lucky like we did in the injured Jimmy years or get to trade for the best LT.

I have no issues with talking about upgrading for the future, but acting like it's solely been the reason for not winning is disingenuous

Kyle's strength is offense, *not* defense. He's known for offense - not defense. I don't know how much more clear I can be. It's also clear that Kyle's been overdrafting the defensive side with all the draft capital devoted to the defensive line. Again, I don't disagree with that strategy at all. But it does leave other parts of the team under drafted - like the offensive line.

Kyle has a preference for small but agile offensive linemen that aren't as valued in the NFL like the big first round behemoth's - typical of other offenses. So he *thinks* he can get away with drafting Offensive linemen later in the draft and getting them in free agency. That can get him in trouble in the playoffs when he can't scheme around very talented playoff defenses that can play disciplined defense. Example - the Ravens game.