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49ers Offensive Line
Jan 11, 2024 at 8:26 AM
- CatchMaster80
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This current regime has drafted OL . One was drafted in the 1st and one in the 2nd round. The others were drafted in the 4th and 5th rounds. The problem id s that since 2019 they've been picking late or had no 1st rounders at all. Good tackles always go early in the draft so they haven't had a chance to draft them. There usually aren't a lot of top O linemen available. This year is supposed to be good for O line and they don't need a lot of other position help other than corner. Time to add 2 or 3 in the early rounds.
Jan 11, 2024 at 8:32 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:BT's ranking doesn't hold any value anymore.
Originally posted by YACBros85:What do you think?
Originally posted by NCommand:
This probably got lost in the gossip-girls circle jerk but for those interested, here are BT's OL ranks heading into the playoffs. He has 3 teams in Tier 1 (Elite) in Philly, Detroit & Dallas, no Tier 2's (Very Good) and a bunch of Tier 3's (Good/Above Average), Bucs, 49ers, etc.
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2024-offensive-line-playoff-rankings/
Did you finally pay for the subscription?
Jan 11, 2024 at 8:44 AM
- NCommand
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This current regime has drafted OL . One was drafted in the 1st and one in the 2nd round. The others were drafted in the 4th and 5th rounds. The problem id s that since 2019 they've been picking late or had no 1st rounders at all. Good tackles always go early in the draft so they haven't had a chance to draft them. There usually aren't a lot of top O linemen available. This year is supposed to be good for O line and they don't need a lot of other position help other than corner. Time to add 2 or 3 in the early rounds.
In 7 off seasons. It's too bad they couldn't get Trent Williams, Joe Staley, Aaron Banks and Weston Richburg all healthy together at the same time somehow. Too bad Mike McGlinchey and Spencer Burford have only been average to below average. Too bad they didn't draft Tristan Wirfs and Creed Humphrey too over those years.
But right now, they're a very solid OL and elite in run blocking. If they can stay on script, they've got as good a shot as any team to win #6 this year.
And then we'll see what year 8 brings in terms of their team building strategy for the OL and secondary. My guess (based on the past and their own words), I don't anticipate a whole lot, honestly.
Jan 11, 2024 at 8:50 AM
- CatchMaster80
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This current regime has drafted OL . One was drafted in the 1st and one in the 2nd round. The others were drafted in the 4th and 5th rounds. The problem id s that since 2019 they've been picking late or had no 1st rounders at all. Good tackles always go early in the draft so they haven't had a chance to draft them. There usually aren't a lot of top O linemen available. This year is supposed to be good for O line and they don't need a lot of other position help other than corner. Time to add 2 or 3 in the early rounds.
In 7 off seasons. It's too bad they couldn't get Trent Williams, Joe Staley, Aaron Banks and Weston Richburg all healthy together at the same time somehow. Too bad Mike McGlinchey and Spencer Burford have only been average to below average. Too bad they didn't draft Tristan Wirfs and Creed Humphrey too over those years.
But right now, they're a very solid OL and elite in run blocking. If they can stay on script, they've got as good a shot as any team to win #6 this year.
And then we'll see what year 8 brings in terms of their team building strategy for the OL and secondary. My guess (based on the past and their own words), I don't anticipate a whole lot, honestly.
It's really hard to build a strong unit (OL,DL, LB, DB) when there are 7 rounds and 32 teams. Just not enough good players to go around. Walsh drafted a great group of DBs in 1981. There were 4 fewer teams then and college players had complete careers to develop.
Jan 11, 2024 at 8:59 AM
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This current regime has drafted OL . One was drafted in the 1st and one in the 2nd round. The others were drafted in the 4th and 5th rounds. The problem id s that since 2019 they've been picking late or had no 1st rounders at all. Good tackles always go early in the draft so they haven't had a chance to draft them. There usually aren't a lot of top O linemen available. This year is supposed to be good for O line and they don't need a lot of other position help other than corner. Time to add 2 or 3 in the early rounds.
In 7 off seasons. It's too bad they couldn't get Trent Williams, Joe Staley, Aaron Banks and Weston Richburg all healthy together at the same time somehow. Too bad Mike McGlinchey and Spencer Burford have only been average to below average. Too bad they didn't draft Tristan Wirfs and Creed Humphrey too over those years.
But right now, they're a very solid OL and elite in run blocking. If they can stay on script, they've got as good a shot as any team to win #6 this year.
And then we'll see what year 8 brings in terms of their team building strategy for the OL and secondary. My guess (based on the past and their own words), I don't anticipate a whole lot, honestly.
It's really hard to build a strong unit (OL,DL, LB, DB) when there are 7 rounds and 32 teams. Just not enough good players to go around. Walsh drafted a great group of DBs in 1981. There were 4 fewer teams then and college players had complete careers to develop.
True, but we had stockpiled a ton of picks annually plus all the extra comp picks (tradeable). But you're right. Lynch is STILL trying to build that DL. He still needs a healthy 1T and a true compliment ER2 for the W9. And nobody's thrown more resources at one position group in history. LOL. It's not easy even when you're 100% committed to it.
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:07 AM
- Waterbear
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Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This current regime has drafted OL . One was drafted in the 1st and one in the 2nd round. The others were drafted in the 4th and 5th rounds. The problem id s that since 2019 they've been picking late or had no 1st rounders at all. Good tackles always go early in the draft so they haven't had a chance to draft them. There usually aren't a lot of top O linemen available. This year is supposed to be good for O line and they don't need a lot of other position help other than corner. Time to add 2 or 3 in the early rounds.
Yeah, to me, it's never been about our lack of draft capital spent.
It's the fact that Banks has been okay, and Burford has been below average, and MM was not worth a first rounder.
If we hit a home run on any of our drafted players, this OL would look a lot different.
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:31 AM
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This current regime has drafted OL . One was drafted in the 1st and one in the 2nd round. The others were drafted in the 4th and 5th rounds. The problem id s that since 2019 they've been picking late or had no 1st rounders at all. Good tackles always go early in the draft so they haven't had a chance to draft them. There usually aren't a lot of top O linemen available. This year is supposed to be good for O line and they don't need a lot of other position help other than corner. Time to add 2 or 3 in the early rounds.
Yeah, to me, it's never been about our lack of draft capital spent.
It's the fact that Banks has been okay, and Burford has been below average, and MM was not worth a first rounder.
If we hit a home run on any of our drafted players, this OL would look a lot different.
Bingo! Literally, just one at a pro bowl/AP level and it's a big difference. Look what TW did for Laken Tomlinson. He's straight garbage in NY.
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:34 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by NCommand:remember when NC bashed the 49ers for letting LT go.. i do lol
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This current regime has drafted OL . One was drafted in the 1st and one in the 2nd round. The others were drafted in the 4th and 5th rounds. The problem id s that since 2019 they've been picking late or had no 1st rounders at all. Good tackles always go early in the draft so they haven't had a chance to draft them. There usually aren't a lot of top O linemen available. This year is supposed to be good for O line and they don't need a lot of other position help other than corner. Time to add 2 or 3 in the early rounds.
Yeah, to me, it's never been about our lack of draft capital spent.
It's the fact that Banks has been okay, and Burford has been below average, and MM was not worth a first rounder.
If we hit a home run on any of our drafted players, this OL would look a lot different.
Bingo! Literally, just one at a pro bowl/AP level and it's a big difference. Look what TW did for Laken Tomlinson. He's straight garbage in NY.
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:46 AM
- 9ers4eva
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Originally posted by Waterbear:
Yeah, to me, it's never been about our lack of draft capital spent.
It's the fact that Banks has been okay, and Burford has been below average, and MM was not worth a first rounder.
If we hit a home run on any of our drafted players, this OL would look a lot different.
Which is what NC never understood. It's not a about resources spent, it's about who you pick. OL can be found all over the draft, the trick is identifying them properly. It's not as easy as some make believe it is with the way guys are taught in college.
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:47 AM
- Cisco0623
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:remember when NC bashed the 49ers for letting LT go.. i do lol
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This current regime has drafted OL . One was drafted in the 1st and one in the 2nd round. The others were drafted in the 4th and 5th rounds. The problem id s that since 2019 they've been picking late or had no 1st rounders at all. Good tackles always go early in the draft so they haven't had a chance to draft them. There usually aren't a lot of top O linemen available. This year is supposed to be good for O line and they don't need a lot of other position help other than corner. Time to add 2 or 3 in the early rounds.
Yeah, to me, it's never been about our lack of draft capital spent.
It's the fact that Banks has been okay, and Burford has been below average, and MM was not worth a first rounder.
If we hit a home run on any of our drafted players, this OL would look a lot different.
Bingo! Literally, just one at a pro bowl/AP level and it's a big difference. Look what TW did for Laken Tomlinson. He's straight garbage in NY.
I remember asking if our LG benefit from TW or not and vice versa. I think its obvious TW makes the LG look way better than they may be.
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:48 AM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
remember when NC bashed the 49ers for letting LT go.. i do lol
I'm old enough to remember him wanting Andrew Norwell, he of the massive contract in Jacksonville that was cut two years in. Every FA OL the 9ers don't sign is great even when they aren't. Orlando Brown is just his newest massive bust signing favorite.
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:49 AM
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Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I remember asking if our LG benefit from TW or not and vice versa. I think its obvious TW makes the LG look way better than they may be.
As does the guy throwing the ball.
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:52 AM
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
remember when NC bashed the 49ers for letting LT go.. i do lol
I'm old enough to remember him wanting Andrew Norwell, he of the massive contract in Jacksonville that was cut two years in. Every FA OL the 9ers don't sign is great even when they aren't. Orlando Brown is just his newest massive bust signing favorite.
FA OL are very tricky imo. Id much rather build through the draft.
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:53 AM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by Cisco0623:TW sure does help, but TW is not taking on 1.5 DL every time to help the LG.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NCommand:remember when NC bashed the 49ers for letting LT go.. i do lol
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This current regime has drafted OL . One was drafted in the 1st and one in the 2nd round. The others were drafted in the 4th and 5th rounds. The problem id s that since 2019 they've been picking late or had no 1st rounders at all. Good tackles always go early in the draft so they haven't had a chance to draft them. There usually aren't a lot of top O linemen available. This year is supposed to be good for O line and they don't need a lot of other position help other than corner. Time to add 2 or 3 in the early rounds.
Yeah, to me, it's never been about our lack of draft capital spent.
It's the fact that Banks has been okay, and Burford has been below average, and MM was not worth a first rounder.
If we hit a home run on any of our drafted players, this OL would look a lot different.
Bingo! Literally, just one at a pro bowl/AP level and it's a big difference. Look what TW did for Laken Tomlinson. He's straight garbage in NY.
I remember asking if our LG benefit from TW or not and vice versa. I think its obvious TW makes the LG look way better than they may be.
but i was just posting that NC says a lot of things here and should be taken with a grain of salt
Jan 11, 2024 at 9:54 AM
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Originally posted by Cisco0623:
FA OL are very tricky imo. Id much rather build through the draft.
As is drafting OL.