Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:our need for TE is priority.. and still is priority. picking OL just to pick them is wasting picks. Those guys you mentioned Feli, Pryor, Bart all guys who were expendable and it's why they are not with their original teams anymore. With us drafting them doesn't guarantee they would have stayed here also
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:Feliciano, Pryor, Bartch are all Day 3 picks. Last year Kyle didn't even *try* for a offensive lineman day three pick, despite having 9 draft picks!
Originally posted by Giedi:but you're talking as if we haven't accomplished anything with the cards we have been dealt with so far.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:what is your point here
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Yeah, to me, it's never been about our lack of draft capital spent.
It's the fact that Banks has been okay, and Burford has been below average, and MM was not worth a first rounder.
If we hit a home run on any of our drafted players, this OL would look a lot different.
Which is what NC never understood. It's not a about resources spent, it's about who you pick. OL can be found all over the draft, the trick is identifying them properly. It's not as easy as some make believe it is with the way guys are taught in college.
Well the odds of striking it rich - if you devote more resources to it - makes sense, at least to me. Although only Bosa, to my recollection, has really amounted to much with regards to all of ShanaLynche's high round draft picks going to defense. They've spent tons of cap space on Dee Ford, for example, and have had nothing to show for it. I think getting an elite edge rusher is almost as hard as getting an elite QB. The problem for me is if you can't draft - you have to go to the free agency route, and that can cost you later if *you can't draft.* It's a vicious descending circle if you go that route.
We have devoted resources
We have drafted well
We do make splash FA signing and trades
Being the top team and envied by so many front offices shows we have been doing pretty good
For sure ShanaLynch has out drafted the competition. Big example is Brock Purdy. He's as valuable as 3 first round draft picks!IF ShanaLynch can't *draft* offensive linemen (again not saying he can't, but hypothetically speaking) then he has to go to the free agency route which is expensive. If that continues - the cap structure becomes unbalanced, and maybe they can't devote as much cap space to the defensive line (as an example) which goes to my point that it's a descending spiral. Again, *if* for some reason they can't consistently draft much better on the offensive line. My hope is that the can somehow draft better offensive linemen in the future.
We all want to hit on every draft pick, expecting so is just not realistic
if you want a stud OL, you are going to need to be a team who has first dibs at picking them. If you don't take the top OL, you are definitely not going to start them over guys on this team who have been playing in the scheme already. So that pick is wait and see in two years (like the OL picks of Moore, Mannings, Poes and Zaks). That bench/project pick could have gotten you a different skill position that can play almost immediately.
Do you want to keep trading resources to get top OL ?
Do you want to draft OL that needs grooming ?
Do you sign a FA ?
Do you trade ?
Since we can't have everything we want, we sure did a fine job with what we can control
Kyle's past typical OLineman is the smaller more agile guys (usually day 3 picks or undrafted), and he's been successful with that - BUT guys like Feliciano, Pryor and Bartch are all currently much bigger guys than is Kyle's typical guys. I don't think he can continue going with day 3 picks in the draft if he wants to go more gap/power. I think he has to devote more day 2 picks - at least - towards the offensive line. I.e. more like Banks/McGlinchy level athletes vs McKivitz type athletes.
there is no size preference. it's about processing and knowing part of the scheme. If Kyle had a choice to choose between two guys that are the same in everything except for size like.. he would go for the bigger guy. but that is not always the case. Big, athletic and smart guys get picked day one, not day 3
up until now we can afford to focus on OL in higher rounds. but you know those guys are not guaranteed picks right ?
TE is important for Kyle's *RUN* blocking assignments. Kittle was drafted for his *run* blocking, and I think his receiving skills were a big surprise to Kyle. Juszczyk is also a TE and a good one too. Just both Kittle and Juszczk are *getting old* and so I do understand the Latu and Willis picks. They are trying to find a replacement for Juszczyk because that fullback/H-back position is key to Kyle's run offense which the entire offense is founded on. Having said that, your QB is the foundation of the *entire* team. Going forward, if Kyle doesn't protect that particular foundation I'd be more than pissed.
Look, Kyle likes his OLinemen athletic and fast because of scheme. Newsflash - that
scheme is now adopted by half (or so it seems) of the NFL teams in the league. Add in the Belichick's 5 man front defensive innovations designed to stop Kyle's outside zone and Kyle *has* to change and go in a different direction. He has to get bigger and he has to, in my opinion, invest higher draft capital in the OLine to compensate for what teams are doing to stop his offensive schemes.