49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Feliciano and McKivitz are day three guys too, I think. That's what is on the current 49ers right side. Brendel being undrafted. So, I think the 49ers can definitely find talent without using day one picks. The problem I have with that approach is Trent Williams. You have to get first round level talent on that left tackle spot. I.e. guys like Trent (can run like a gazelle and hit like a Mack truck) aren't available in day three generally. Hitting on a guy like Trent in day three is not much better odds wise than hitting on a Brock Purdy in day three.

Packers didn't with Bahktiari for years. It all depends on the player. You increase your odds by using one on a high pick but theres no guarantee.

Zach Tom is a far better player right now than Evan Neal. It'll be about the player.

Agree 💯%, it's all about the player. 3 number 1 picks for Trey lance and a 7th rounder is the starting QB for the 49ers. It is about the player and you just hope 49ers will hit on players more than they miss on their draft spot. Good news is that the 49ers have a decent track record in drafting and that if they do focus on the Offensive line this year - there is a good chance they will hit more than miss in this years strong crop of offensive linemen.

of course they will hit, but are you giving up on developing the picks/depth we have ? Are you saying they won't be great later ?

If we pick more OL, they will need to sit and develop also. Will you continue this talk next year after OL is picked and needs to sit? Just saying stuff like this is not a simple task as these OL picks are long run gambles and it also takes away from another position.

I'm not saying OL isn't valuable, but they are big gambles who will mostly likely sit the first year.

We need to be actively looking for TW replacement in the next year or two.

Whats to say we don't have the guy already ? Manning looked pretty dominant

I'm not saying we shouldn't get a guy if there is one available. But to get a true replacement and have it be a rookie, for sure you're not going to wait until the 3rd round or later to find the guy.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Feliciano and McKivitz are day three guys too, I think. That's what is on the current 49ers right side. Brendel being undrafted. So, I think the 49ers can definitely find talent without using day one picks. The problem I have with that approach is Trent Williams. You have to get first round level talent on that left tackle spot. I.e. guys like Trent (can run like a gazelle and hit like a Mack truck) aren't available in day three generally. Hitting on a guy like Trent in day three is not much better odds wise than hitting on a Brock Purdy in day three.

Packers didn't with Bahktiari for years. It all depends on the player. You increase your odds by using one on a high pick but theres no guarantee.

Zach Tom is a far better player right now than Evan Neal. It'll be about the player.

Agree 💯%, it's all about the player. 3 number 1 picks for Trey lance and a 7th rounder is the starting QB for the 49ers. It is about the player and you just hope 49ers will hit on players more than they miss on their draft spot. Good news is that the 49ers have a decent track record in drafting and that if they do focus on the Offensive line this year - there is a good chance they will hit more than miss in this years strong crop of offensive linemen.

of course they will hit, but are you giving up on developing the picks/depth we have ? Are you saying they won't be great later ?

If we pick more OL, they will need to sit and develop also. Will you continue this talk next year after OL is picked and needs to sit? Just saying stuff like this is not a simple task as these OL picks are long run gambles and it also takes away from another position.

I'm not saying OL isn't valuable, but they are big gambles who will mostly likely sit the first year.

IF you have a better player than another, in a sense you do give up on that player. Take Trey Lance, they were willing to let him go because they had a better player. They let McGlinchy and Laken go because the were able to get better players in their place. What is important is taking the shot at improving the squad, and to a certain extent, they failed to do that last year despite 9 picks. 9 Picks and *no day three* offensive line picks. That's inexplicable to me other than the fact that they prefer to get their OLinemen in free agency. The problem with that is of course, the one year rental issues. No guarantee they can retain Feliciano or Pryor - for cheap, the way they can retain Banks and Burford for cheap.

One reason is simply Brock Purdy. You have to protect your franchise QB as best as possible and avoid the Andrew Luck early retirement situation. Unfortunately their track record for drafting defensive linemen versus offensive linemen is clear doesn't give me complete confidence they will do their best to protect their franchise QB in next years draft. I hope I'm wrong.

how do you know we don't have the better players now than what is available to pick next year ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
how do you know we don't have the better players now than what is available to pick next year ?

How do you know *we do?*

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
how do you know we don't have the better players now than what is available to pick next year ?

How do you know *we do?*

because we have been progressing every year.

This starting OL is most likely going to be the same next year. We lose or resign Feli, bart, Pryor

We have who.. Manning, Gueti on the squad with more than one year of experience in the scheme

This later round OL pick would have to be a wiz to come in a take a roster spot

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
how do you know we don't have the better players now than what is available to pick next year ?

How do you know *we do?*

because we have been progressing every year.

This starting OL is most likely going to be the same next year. We lose or resign Feli, bart, Pryor

We have who.. Manning, Gueti on the squad with more than one year of experience in the scheme

This later round OL pick would have to be a wiz to come in a take a roster spot

The counterpoint is that Trent is *aging* and when we didn't have Trent - we pretty much lost every game he didn't fully play in. I doubt father time will allow Trent to reverse his aging. Burford has been, so far, a bit of a disappointment. McKivitz is a decent OT, but Moore hasn't been exactly impressive in playing in place of Trent. So there are a lot of weaknesses on this OLine that will be further exposed, in my opinion, with time. I don't know if 49ers can sign Feliciano. I'd love for them to keep him. But they weren't able/willing to keep Compton and Brunskill, so I don't have much confidence in them keeping Feliciano based on their past track record.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
how do you know we don't have the better players now than what is available to pick next year ?

How do you know *we do?*

because we have been progressing every year.

This starting OL is most likely going to be the same next year. We lose or resign Feli, bart, Pryor

We have who.. Manning, Gueti on the squad with more than one year of experience in the scheme

This later round OL pick would have to be a wiz to come in a take a roster spot

The counterpoint is that Trent is *aging* and when we didn't have Trent - we pretty much lost every game he didn't fully play in. I doubt father time will allow Trent to reverse his aging. Burford has been, so far, a bit of a disappointment. McKivitz is a decent OT, but Moore hasn't been exactly impressive in playing in place of Trent. So there are a lot of weaknesses on this OLine that will be further exposed, in my opinion, with time. I don't know if 49ers can sign Feliciano. I'd love for them to keep him. But they weren't able/willing to keep Compton and Brunskill, so I don't have much confidence in them keeping Feliciano based on their past track record.

Future wise yes we should upgrade, but it's not going to be easy unless we trade up and get the best OL. and if we do that.. we still have to wait for them to be something

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
how do you know we don't have the better players now than what is available to pick next year ?

How do you know *we do?*

because we have been progressing every year.

This starting OL is most likely going to be the same next year. We lose or resign Feli, bart, Pryor

We have who.. Manning, Gueti on the squad with more than one year of experience in the scheme

This later round OL pick would have to be a wiz to come in a take a roster spot

The counterpoint is that Trent is *aging* and when we didn't have Trent - we pretty much lost every game he didn't fully play in. I doubt father time will allow Trent to reverse his aging. Burford has been, so far, a bit of a disappointment. McKivitz is a decent OT, but Moore hasn't been exactly impressive in playing in place of Trent. So there are a lot of weaknesses on this OLine that will be further exposed, in my opinion, with time. I don't know if 49ers can sign Feliciano. I'd love for them to keep him. But they weren't able/willing to keep Compton and Brunskill, so I don't have much confidence in them keeping Feliciano based on their past track record.

Future wise yes we should upgrade, but it's not going to be easy unless we trade up and get the best OL. and if we do that.. we still have to wait for them to be something

Agree 💯%, and drafting itself isn't easy. If it was, both you and I would be GM's and be paid minimum state wages and taking the bus to work.

Key is drafting well. And hitting on those draft picks. If they can do that (and they have in the past) the future is bright for the offensive line positions.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree 💯%, and drafting itself isn't easy. If it was, both you and I would be GM's and be paid minimum state wages and taking the bus to work.

Key is drafting well. And hitting on those draft picks. If they can do that (and they have in the past) the future is bright for the offensive line positions.

If drafting/team building was easy Ryan Pace would still have a job.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree 💯%, and drafting itself isn't easy. If it was, both you and I would be GM's and be paid minimum state wages and taking the bus to work.

Key is drafting well. And hitting on those draft picks. If they can do that (and they have in the past) the future is bright for the offensive line positions.

If drafting/team building was easy Ryan Pace would still have a job.

We really don't need to go all out for OL in the draft, we could even sign some FAs just a little better than the guys we have on the right side and be a Tier 1 ...

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
how do you know we don't have the better players now than what is available to pick next year ?

How do you know *we do?*

This logic doesn't justify a reason for simply "drafting more."

You have to -- justifiably -- see holes in what you have now to assign (multiple) high picks at a position if you're not simply going BPA.

Shooting back this question is NOT a legit response.

6 halves of playoff football from the Tier 1 OL's. Only one of them actually impressive.

Give me the Tier 1 QB, D and Coach.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
how do you know we don't have the better players now than what is available to pick next year ?

How do you know *we do?*

This logic doesn't justify a reason for simply "drafting more."

You have to -- justifiably -- see holes in what you have now to assign (multiple) high picks at a position if you're not simply going BPA.

Shooting back this question is NOT a legit response.

Just get OL !

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
6 halves of playoff football from the Tier 1 OL's. Only one of them actually impressive.

Give me the Tier 1 QB, D and Coach.

Which one was impressive?

Originally posted by random49er:
I'll post this in a couple places since I took the time just now to put it together....but just in case someone's trying to sell you on QB talent not being the main divider between team success ,...here are the 11 QBs still standing as of now:
1st Round Results:

Just wanted to be consistent

Tear 1 Olines this week.