49ers Offensive Line

Every game this past weekend can be chalked up to QB, defense and playcalling/game plan.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Since the formula is broken it should never be brought up again.

The formula is broken, so there can't be a winner now

The formula never determined a winner in the 1st place. QB, defense and HC are way better indicators of team success in the NFL than O line anyway.

This. It is, and always was, complete nonsense. No matter how hard someone tried to continually adjust it when it didn't fit to try and claim some nonexistent victory, it was always just a way to try and justify an OL is the only way narrative. Over the years it was sacks, then QB hits when sacks no longer were applicable, then it was pressures when the other 2 were no longer applicable, then it was non threatening pressures and now it's OL tiers….which has now shockingly morphed into OL + QB + DL etc etc and whatever other caveat one can throw in on the fly. This is just the newest fad that someone has latched onto that they think makes them look right,

Personally the formula is more of a conceptual philosophy to me. It tries to get to the point that its a *team game* not a individual positon game. A good team is composed of a good OLine, QB, etc... all the parts. A bad team is usually missing one or all the parts. Etc...

I'm not hung up on tiers so much as the idea behind it. The idea behind it is simple - you needs every positon performing well to have a win. Its not really more complicated than that. The tier thing is a game by game thing and tries to predict how a unit does vs its opposing matchup. Those change game to game.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally the formula is more of a conceptual philosophy to me. It tries to get to the point that its a *team game* not a individual positon game. A good team is composed of a good OLine, QB, etc... all the parts. A bad team is usually missing one or all the parts. Etc...

I'm not hung up on tiers so much as the idea behind it. The idea behind it is simple - you needs every positon performing well to have a win. Its not really more complicated than that. The tier thing is a game by game thing and tries to predict how a unit does vs its opposing matchup. Those change game to game.

BUT that's not what was said. First it was it had to be a tier 1 OL. Now both tier 1 OL and QB. No mention of skill players. No mention of defense. No mention of coaching.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Since the formula is broken it should never be brought up again.

The formula is broken, so there can't be a winner now

The formula never determined a winner in the 1st place. QB, defense and HC are way better indicators of team success in the NFL than O line anyway.

This. It is, and always was, complete nonsense. No matter how hard someone tried to continually adjust it when it didn't fit to try and claim some nonexistent victory, it was always just a way to try and justify an OL is the only way narrative. Over the years it was sacks, then QB hits when sacks no longer were applicable, then it was pressures when the other 2 were no longer applicable, then it was non threatening pressures and now it's OL tiers….which has now shockingly morphed into OL + QB + DL etc etc and whatever other caveat one can throw in on the fly. This is just the newest fad that someone has latched onto that they think makes them look right,

Personally the formula is more of a conceptual philosophy to me. It tries to get to the point that its a *team game* not a individual positon game. A good team is composed of a good OLine, QB, etc... all the parts. A bad team is usually missing one or all the parts. Etc...

I'm not hung up on tiers so much as the idea behind it. The idea behind it is simple - you needs every positon performing well to have a win. Its not really more complicated than that. The tier thing is a game by game thing and tries to predict how a unit does vs its opposing matchup. Those change game to game.

lol, we've been saying this for 7 years. You need a good team all around, but you can't go into the playoffs with the QB being your weakest link

NC's take was OL is the end all be all.. which has now morphed into what we've been saying all this time. It's hilarious

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Since the formula is broken it should never be brought up again.

The formula is broken, so there can't be a winner now

The formula never determined a winner in the 1st place. QB, defense and HC are way better indicators of team success in the NFL than O line anyway.

This. It is, and always was, complete nonsense. No matter how hard someone tried to continually adjust it when it didn't fit to try and claim some nonexistent victory, it was always just a way to try and justify an OL is the only way narrative. Over the years it was sacks, then QB hits when sacks no longer were applicable, then it was pressures when the other 2 were no longer applicable, then it was non threatening pressures and now it's OL tiers….which has now shockingly morphed into OL + QB + DL etc etc and whatever other caveat one can throw in on the fly. This is just the newest fad that someone has latched onto that they think makes them look right,

Personally the formula is more of a conceptual philosophy to me. It tries to get to the point that its a *team game* not a individual positon game. A good team is composed of a good OLine, QB, etc... all the parts. A bad team is usually missing one or all the parts. Etc...

I'm not hung up on tiers so much as the idea behind it. The idea behind it is simple - you needs every positon performing well to have a win. Its not really more complicated than that. The tier thing is a game by game thing and tries to predict how a unit does vs its opposing matchup. Those change game to game.

lol, we've been saying this for 7 years. You need a good team all around, but you can't go into the playoffs with the QB being your weakest link

NC's take was OL is the end all be all.. which has now morphed into what we've been saying all this time. It's hilarious

It really is. 🤣

Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally the formula is more of a conceptual philosophy to me. It tries to get to the point that its a *team game* not a individual positon game. A good team is composed of a good OLine, QB, etc... all the parts. A bad team is usually missing one or all the parts. Etc...

I'm not hung up on tiers so much as the idea behind it. The idea behind it is simple - you needs every positon performing well to have a win. Its not really more complicated than that. The tier thing is a game by game thing and tries to predict how a unit does vs its opposing matchup. Those change game to game.

It's a passing league. QB + OL is crucial in that formula. These are the elite DL these OL already sent home packing: Myles Garrett, Zadarius Smith, Aaron Donald, Micah Parsons, Demarcus Lawrence, Josh Sweat, Fletcher Cox, Hassan Reddick. And let's be honest, TJ Watt would have been sent home too even if healthy.

And the formula that worked for 7 straight years? While broken this year, you're still most likely going to end up with a tier 1 QB (MVP candidate) + Tier 2 (top 7) OL.

That's not exactly far off from the original formula and overall point. That's no different than this micro-crowd claiming an MVP Mahomes won a Superbowl with a tier 2 OL (not tier 1).

Originally posted by NCommand:
It's a passing league. QB + OL is crucial in that formula. These are the elite DL these OL already sent home packing: Myles Garrett, Zadarius Smith, Aaron Donald, Micah Parsons, Demarcus Lawrence, Josh Sweat, Fletcher Cox, Hassan Reddick. And let's be honest, TJ Watt would have been sent home too even if healthy.

And the formula that worked for 7 straight years? While broken this year, you're still most likely going to end up with a tier 1 QB (MVP candidate) + Tier 2 (top 7) OL.

That's not exactly far off from the original formula and overall point. That's no different than this micro-crowd claiming an MVP Mahomes won a Superbowl with a tier 2 OL (not tier 1).

No matter how wrong I am I'm actually right

Now without looking it up. Give me the names of all the O lineman that won this weekend.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
It's a passing league. QB + OL is crucial in that formula. These are the elite DL these OL already sent home packing: Myles Garrett, Zadarius Smith, Aaron Donald, Micah Parsons, Demarcus Lawrence, Josh Sweat, Fletcher Cox, Hassan Reddick. And let's be honest, TJ Watt would have been sent home too even if healthy.

And the formula that worked for 7 straight years? While broken this year, you're still most likely going to end up with a tier 1 QB (MVP candidate) + Tier 2 (top 7) OL.

That's not exactly far off from the original formula and overall point. That's no different than this micro-crowd claiming an MVP Mahomes won a Superbowl with a tier 2 OL (not tier 1).

No matter how wrong I am I'm actually right

it's a passing league ! look at all these less than tier 1 OLs being successful .. i've been saying it for 7 years -NC

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
No matter how wrong I am I'm actually right

Victory laps all over the place this morning.

Originally posted by NCommand:
He was running right into pressure too. This is why you need both playing at that level together through the playoffs.

So the "NEW REVELATION" is that you need to play good in the playoffs??

Thanks a million...gonna write this one down.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
He was running right into pressure too. This is why you need both playing at that level together through the playoffs.

So the "NEW REVELATION" is that you need to play good in the playoffs??

Thanks a million...gonna write this one down.

😂

In order to win a game, you must score more points than your opponents.

The great BT formula goes 3-3 and the takeaway is that's a win and he was right.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The great BT formula goes 3-3 and the takeaway is that's a win and he was right.

I mean damn, my formula was 4-2 this week. I thought BT was the SME?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
The great BT formula goes 3-3 and the takeaway is that's a win and he was right.

I mean damn, my formula was 4-2 this week. I thought BT was the SME?

I believe BT goes off of talent in his rankings, not results. If he doesn't know how talented that lineman is in a scheme.. you probably get a lower score