49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Bold Time : 49ers Oline will outplay Chiefs OL in the Super Bowl.

That wouldn't be too much of a stretch. They're nearly identical in the trenches.

2. 49ers 7. (4.5) | 1 | 12-5
5. Chiefs 6. (5.5) | 3 | 11-6

Hey NC, here's my ideal OLine. Tier 1 baby!

Late '90s Denver Broncos
Denver's line of Gary Zimmerman, Tom Nalen, Tony Jones, Mark Schlereth, and Brian Habib was a big reason Broncos running back Terrell Davis averaged over four yards a carry in his first four seasons. They were also instrumental in providing quarterback John Elway with enough time to pilot the Broncos to Super Bowl victories after the 1997 and '98 seasons.

Seems like that line was playing under a different set of rules than today's game has though. That O line was one of the reasons the rules were changed because they were constantly hitting D linemen's knees.

The legal leg whip, baby! A classic Bobb McKittrick staple.

I was never a fan of those blocks. With those blocks outlawed, I think the 49er OLines have to get bigger to still have those backside running lanes that those cutblocks generated. 🤔

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Chiefs o line has been very good in the playoffs though. Mahommes was barely touched until the Guard went down. Pressure kills so if the front 4 can actually pressure him it will change the game. I wonder how the hell we contain Kelce? He will go for him every time and who can blame him. Im thinking off the snap Warner or Greenlaw hit him and then ward takes over after? I have no idea but that duo generates so many 1st downs and points its crazy.

it hasn't been the OL, it's been mahomes extending plays. Their OTs are not good. Their LG is not good. Smith is a much better run blocking that pass protector.

my issue with Kelce is you have to realize he's not out there running timing based routes. It's legit backyard football, all the rules of coverage and defense don't apply

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Chiefs o line has been very good in the playoffs though. Mahommes was barely touched until the Guard went down. Pressure kills so if the front 4 can actually pressure him it will change the game. I wonder how the hell we contain Kelce? He will go for him every time and who can blame him. Im thinking off the snap Warner or Greenlaw hit him and then ward takes over after? I have no idea but that duo generates so many 1st downs and points its crazy.

it hasn't been the OL, it's been mahomes extending plays. Their OTs are not good. Their LG is not good. Smith is a much better run blocking that pass protector.

my issue with Kelce is you have to realize he's not out there running timing based routes. It's legit backyard football, all the rules of coverage and defense don't apply

I recently heard Mahomes attest to such in an interview. He didn't say it the same … however, and to paraphrase,
he said that Andy allows them to freelance if they see an opening in coverage - which they do well with one another.

Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:
I recently heard Mahomes attest to such in an interview. He didn't say it the same … however, and to paraphrase,
he said that Andy allows them to freelance if they see an opening in coverage - which they do well with one another.

I mean it's for sure not offensive play calling.


I don't know what you do? Man coverage…KC runs a ton of those pick plays vs man though. The refs never call illegal picks either.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean it's for sure not offensive play calling.

Look at what Travis Kelce did against the Ravens.

Like, what routes are those?!

No wonder no one can stop him. How do you prepare for him to just run around like that? pic.twitter.com/MnF3RvN4m4

— Rob "Stats" Guerrera (@StatsOnFire) January 30, 2024

I don't know what you do? Man coverage…KC runs a ton of those pick plays vs man though. The refs never call illegal picks either.

great question! Kyle Hamilton was on him like glue and Kelce still had a big game. My guess would be hit him at the LOS and try and mess with his timing?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Chiefs o line has been very good in the playoffs though. Mahommes was barely touched until the Guard went down. Pressure kills so if the front 4 can actually pressure him it will change the game. I wonder how the hell we contain Kelce? He will go for him every time and who can blame him. Im thinking off the snap Warner or Greenlaw hit him and then ward takes over after? I have no idea but that duo generates so many 1st downs and points its crazy.

it hasn't been the OL, it's been mahomes extending plays. Their OTs are not good. Their LG is not good. Smith is a much better run blocking that pass protector.

my issue with Kelce is you have to realize he's not out there running timing based routes. It's legit backyard football, all the rules of coverage and defense don't apply

Thuney is a big loss. Chiefs OL is high tier 2 (like us) coming in but their tackles are the weakness...and with Thuney out. That's big.

But it's the playoffs now so their T's get to hold and Mahomes gets to order pizza back there. Or take off if he gets bored. It's both.

PS: Great graph on Kelce. LOL. PM and TK play a ton of backyard ball.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Chiefs o line has been very good in the playoffs though. Mahommes was barely touched until the Guard went down. Pressure kills so if the front 4 can actually pressure him it will change the game. I wonder how the hell we contain Kelce? He will go for him every time and who can blame him. Im thinking off the snap Warner or Greenlaw hit him and then ward takes over after? I have no idea but that duo generates so many 1st downs and points its crazy.

it hasn't been the OL, it's been mahomes extending plays. Their OTs are not good. Their LG is not good. Smith is a much better run blocking that pass protector.

my issue with Kelce is you have to realize he's not out there running timing based routes. It's legit backyard football, all the rules of coverage and defense don't apply

Thuney is a big loss. Chiefs OL is high tier 2 (like us) coming in but their tackles are the weakness...and with Thuney out. That's big.

But it's the playoffs now so their T's get to hold and Mahomes gets to order pizza back there. Or take off if he gets bored. It's both.

PS: Great graph on Kelce. LOL. PM and TK play a ton of backyard ball.

Good insights. I think kelce needs to be hit and slowed down on every snap. He should never be free running right off the snap. Maybe have Greenlaw tag him and ward is right behind? If we do that and the front 4 can generate pressure the duo shouldn't kill us. (Although they will still makes make plays here and there it's inevitable)

I've seen some say put ward on him. I am not sure? Do we think lenoir can cancel out rice? If so then yes. Otherwise I'd like to try to force Mahomes to kelce who is doubled if possible etc.

ravens tried to put the rookie on him and even tho he covered him quite well most of the time they still tore him
up.

In the end the key will be the d line stopping the run and putting pressure on Mahomes. The issue is the chiefs o line hold like crazy and it's rarely called as everyone is saying. Hopefully the refs take note. I think the Niners have properly called attention to it.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Chiefs o line has been very good in the playoffs though. Mahommes was barely touched until the Guard went down. Pressure kills so if the front 4 can actually pressure him it will change the game. I wonder how the hell we contain Kelce? He will go for him every time and who can blame him. Im thinking off the snap Warner or Greenlaw hit him and then ward takes over after? I have no idea but that duo generates so many 1st downs and points its crazy.

it hasn't been the OL, it's been mahomes extending plays. Their OTs are not good. Their LG is not good. Smith is a much better run blocking that pass protector.

my issue with Kelce is you have to realize he's not out there running timing based routes. It's legit backyard football, all the rules of coverage and defense don't apply

Thuney is a big loss. Chiefs OL is high tier 2 (like us) coming in but their tackles are the weakness...and with Thuney out. That's big.

But it's the playoffs now so their T's get to hold and Mahomes gets to order pizza back there. Or take off if he gets bored. It's both.

PS: Great graph on Kelce. LOL. PM and TK play a ton of backyard ball.

Good insights. I think kelce needs to be hit and slowed down on every snap. He should never be free running right off the snap. Maybe have Greenlaw tag him and ward is right behind? If we do that and the front 4 can generate pressure the duo shouldn't kill us. (Although they will still makes make plays here and there it's inevitable)

I've seen some say put ward on him. I am not sure? Do we think lenoir can cancel out rice? If so then yes. Otherwise I'd like to try to force Mahomes to kelce who is doubled if possible etc.

ravens tried to put the rookie on him and even tho he covered him quite well most of the time they still tore him
up.

In the end the key will be the d line stopping the run and putting pressure on Mahomes. The issue is the chiefs o line hold like crazy and it's rarely called as everyone is saying. Hopefully the refs take note. I think the Niners have properly called attention to it.

Yeah, who has the answer to that? You'd almost need to set up press man coverage and designate a spy in coverage to help out.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Chiefs o line has been very good in the playoffs though. Mahommes was barely touched until the Guard went down. Pressure kills so if the front 4 can actually pressure him it will change the game. I wonder how the hell we contain Kelce? He will go for him every time and who can blame him. Im thinking off the snap Warner or Greenlaw hit him and then ward takes over after? I have no idea but that duo generates so many 1st downs and points its crazy.

it hasn't been the OL, it's been mahomes extending plays. Their OTs are not good. Their LG is not good. Smith is a much better run blocking that pass protector.

my issue with Kelce is you have to realize he's not out there running timing based routes. It's legit backyard football, all the rules of coverage and defense don't apply

Thuney is a big loss. Chiefs OL is high tier 2 (like us) coming in but their tackles are the weakness...and with Thuney out. That's big.

But it's the playoffs now so their T's get to hold and Mahomes gets to order pizza back there. Or take off if he gets bored. It's both.

PS: Great graph on Kelce. LOL. PM and TK play a ton of backyard ball.

Good insights. I think kelce needs to be hit and slowed down on every snap. He should never be free running right off the snap. Maybe have Greenlaw tag him and ward is right behind? If we do that and the front 4 can generate pressure the duo shouldn't kill us. (Although they will still makes make plays here and there it's inevitable)

I've seen some say put ward on him. I am not sure? Do we think lenoir can cancel out rice? If so then yes. Otherwise I'd like to try to force Mahomes to kelce who is doubled if possible etc.

ravens tried to put the rookie on him and even tho he covered him quite well most of the time they still tore him
up.

In the end the key will be the d line stopping the run and putting pressure on Mahomes. The issue is the chiefs o line hold like crazy and it's rarely called as everyone is saying. Hopefully the refs take note. I think the Niners have properly called attention to it.

You have to call attention to the holds, but unlikely it will affect the calls. Refs in the playoffs aren't going to call obvious holds for the simple reason that they just don't do it.

Asked if it's true there is holding on every play, Bryant said, "Pretty much." He explained he focuses on the point of attack and how much the restriction impacts the play when deciding when to throw a flag.
https://www.mlive.com/lions/2015/08/nfl_officials.html

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Chiefs o line has been very good in the playoffs though. Mahommes was barely touched until the Guard went down. Pressure kills so if the front 4 can actually pressure him it will change the game. I wonder how the hell we contain Kelce? He will go for him every time and who can blame him. Im thinking off the snap Warner or Greenlaw hit him and then ward takes over after? I have no idea but that duo generates so many 1st downs and points its crazy.

it hasn't been the OL, it's been mahomes extending plays. Their OTs are not good. Their LG is not good. Smith is a much better run blocking that pass protector.

my issue with Kelce is you have to realize he's not out there running timing based routes. It's legit backyard football, all the rules of coverage and defense don't apply

Thuney is a big loss. Chiefs OL is high tier 2 (like us) coming in but their tackles are the weakness...and with Thuney out. That's big.

But it's the playoffs now so their T's get to hold and Mahomes gets to order pizza back there. Or take off if he gets bored. It's both.

PS: Great graph on Kelce. LOL. PM and TK play a ton of backyard ball.

Good insights. I think kelce needs to be hit and slowed down on every snap. He should never be free running right off the snap. Maybe have Greenlaw tag him and ward is right behind? If we do that and the front 4 can generate pressure the duo shouldn't kill us. (Although they will still makes make plays here and there it's inevitable)

I've seen some say put ward on him. I am not sure? Do we think lenoir can cancel out rice? If so then yes. Otherwise I'd like to try to force Mahomes to kelce who is doubled if possible etc.

ravens tried to put the rookie on him and even tho he covered him quite well most of the time they still tore him
up.

In the end the key will be the d line stopping the run and putting pressure on Mahomes. The issue is the chiefs o line hold like crazy and it's rarely called as everyone is saying. Hopefully the refs take note. I think the Niners have properly called attention to it.

Yeah, who has the answer to that? You'd almost need to set up press man coverage and designate a spy in coverage to help out.

Seems true. Kelce is really good at finding the open space in a defense on the fly. Kind of like what juice did against Detroit last week, only better. Team discipline for one and tackling for two. Easier said than done.

Originally posted by Giedi:
You have to call attention to the holds, but unlikely it will affect the calls. Refs in the playoffs aren't going to call obvious holds for the simple reason that they just don't do it.

Asked if it's true there is holding on every play, Bryant said, "Pretty much." He explained he focuses on the point of attack and how much the restriction impacts the play when deciding when to throw a flag.
https://www.mlive.com/lions/2015/08/nfl_officials.html

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I don't believe that. With the media talking about it this much, I bet it'll be a talking point by the announcers during the game, at very least more people will be watching for it and the refereeing this year has already come under a lot of fire. They obviously aren't going to call it on every play, but if this even forces them to call it 2 or 3 times it's a win.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thuney is a big loss. Chiefs OL is high tier 2 (like us) coming in but their tackles are the weakness...and with Thuney out. That's big.

No Excuses

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Chiefs o line has been very good in the playoffs though. Mahommes was barely touched until the Guard went down. Pressure kills so if the front 4 can actually pressure him it will change the game. I wonder how the hell we contain Kelce? He will go for him every time and who can blame him. Im thinking off the snap Warner or Greenlaw hit him and then ward takes over after? I have no idea but that duo generates so many 1st downs and points its crazy.

it hasn't been the OL, it's been mahomes extending plays. Their OTs are not good. Their LG is not good. Smith is a much better run blocking that pass protector.

my issue with Kelce is you have to realize he's not out there running timing based routes. It's legit backyard football, all the rules of coverage and defense don't apply

Thuney is a big loss. Chiefs OL is high tier 2 (like us) coming in but their tackles are the weakness...and with Thuney out. That's big.

But it's the playoffs now so their T's get to hold and Mahomes gets to order pizza back there. Or take off if he gets bored. It's both.

PS: Great graph on Kelce. LOL. PM and TK play a ton of backyard ball.

Good insights. I think kelce needs to be hit and slowed down on every snap. He should never be free running right off the snap. Maybe have Greenlaw tag him and ward is right behind? If we do that and the front 4 can generate pressure the duo shouldn't kill us. (Although they will still makes make plays here and there it's inevitable)

I've seen some say put ward on him. I am not sure? Do we think lenoir can cancel out rice? If so then yes. Otherwise I'd like to try to force Mahomes to kelce who is doubled if possible etc.

ravens tried to put the rookie on him and even tho he covered him quite well most of the time they still tore him
up.

In the end the key will be the d line stopping the run and putting pressure on Mahomes. The issue is the chiefs o line hold like crazy and it's rarely called as everyone is saying. Hopefully the refs take note. I think the Niners have properly called attention to it.

Yeah, who has the answer to that? You'd almost need to set up press man coverage and designate a spy in coverage to help out.

Seems true. Kelce is really good at finding the open space in a defense on the fly. Kind of like what juice did against Detroit last week, only better. Team discipline for one and tackling for two. Easier said than done.

Spot on, for sure.

Tackling and covering Kelce ?... my oh my how the OL thread has changed

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean it's for sure not offensive play calling.

Look at what Travis Kelce did against the Ravens.

Like, what routes are those?!

No wonder no one can stop him. How do you prepare for him to just run around like that? pic.twitter.com/MnF3RvN4m4

— Rob "Stats" Guerrera (@StatsOnFire) January 30, 2024

I don't know what you do? Man coverage…KC runs a ton of those pick plays vs man though. The refs never call illegal picks either.

great question! Kyle Hamilton was on him like glue and Kelce still had a big game. My guess would be hit him at the LOS and try and mess with his timing?

do you dare double team him?