49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Fine, good enough to get there. Not good enough to close when it mattered. They're both egregious in the end if the end-goal is to win a Superbowl. Just two sides of the same coin; one from neglect, one from oversaturation of resources with poor results.

We don't even make it as far as we did if they didn't go heavy on DL acquisitions. That's just the truth of it.
Muffed punt, OPOY fumbles, egregious no calls on their OL, Brock missing some reads, Dre gets hurt, missed EP….any of that changes and we're not talking about the OL.

BUT imo need meets value for SF in this draft. We all agree they need to infuse YOUNG good talent on the OL. How the roster is built and what they got in FA, they should be able to move around to get the guys they're targeting.

The Oline / Dline did more than enough to put them in position to win the game, but you can't have that many (the bold) reasons and expect to beat a good team that knows how to win in SBs (with exceptional HC and GOAT QB). Period

That being said, 49ers aren't getting back to SB unless they upgrade the lines. So far the Dline looks improved on paper and they got a good CB. Of course they're not done with signing and plus the draft. 49ers could end up with a much better team than last season (put the league on alert).

Could even argue if feliciano doesn't get hurt we might win that game. Bc of Burfords awful miss.
I think we have done a good job and in solid position to be returning the starting line of the best offense in football. We just HAVE to invest heavily in the draft

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
So our entire starting offensive line from last year that got us to the Super Bowl is resigned/returning. And now we have the chance to upgrade at certain positions that were weak, ie RT, RG, C & hell, maybe even find a future replacement for Banks next year seeing what the going rate for guards is currently in free agency. I may be in the minority but I feel good about our line because I'm confident we are going to upgrade at least one spot on the line with someone like Latham, Mims or Barton. I also think Lynch and Shanny are probably going to look for a long term answer at C in this draft pretty early, like 3rd or 4th round.

Only reason we didnt address things last year is because our highest valued pick was a 4th rounder. Arrow up on things,...as whether it's in the FA market or the draft market, this staff obviously wins more than they lose.

Wouldnt mind people that are hypercritical of the staff's abilities but will not identify even a couple of OLinemen they want in the upcoming draft ahead of time.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Fine, good enough to get there. Not good enough to close when it mattered. They're both egregious in the end if the end-goal is to win a Superbowl. Just two sides of the same coin; one from neglect, one from oversaturation of resources with poor results.

We don't even make it as far as we did if they didn't go heavy on DL acquisitions. That's just the truth of it.
Muffed punt, OPOY fumbles, egregious no calls on their OL, Brock missing some reads, Dre gets hurt, missed EP….any of that changes and we're not talking about the OL.

BUT imo need meets value for SF in this draft. We all agree they need to infuse YOUNG good talent on the OL. How the roster is built and what they got in FA, they should be able to move around to get the guys they're targeting.

The DL was 5th two years ago against the run and 26th this past year. And it made little difference. DL is so overvalued the market has become massively oversaturated now. Like I said with the Hargrave signing...he's not going to move the needle on a top 5 DL already. In fact, we got worse. Bosa isn't going to close like Jones.

Just keep recycling 1 year first round rentals and drafting on day 3 (like they just did). Cheap DL veterans are always available. We picked up Chase late. Chiefs picked up an instrumental DL late.

What you used to say about the OL: "You just need adequate play," is really what the DL has become in real life. Chiefs had the 21st and 26th DL at getting to the QB (and pace).

Either way, my point was equal blame to both lines based on the FO philosophy; not a "which is more important."

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Not seeing any real OL trench prioritization here

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/san-francisco-49ers-regrading-all-6-nfl-draft-classes-of-gm-trent-baalke

His comment really had nothing to do with my post in the first place (that Harbaugh wasn't with the 49ers in 2010).

Either way, there is an analytics guy I follow on twitter who was discussing Harbaugh/Baalke's time here and trying to use that time to predict that Harbaugh wouldn't prioritize OL at the top of the draft with the Chargers. Didn't make much sense because they invested heavily in 2010 (pre Harbaugh) and Harbaugh wasn't making player selections anyway.

Agreed
Can't wait to see what he does with the chargers: they actually retained most of their talent and have some good picks and Herbert

They just lost two of the best offensive weapons in the nfl. They did not actually retain most of their talent.

1. Williams is rarely available so no he's not one of the best offensive weapons.
2. when I wrote that Keenan Allen had not been traded.
3. they still have a bunch of their talent and a FQB

You forgot ekeler, who despite a down year last year, is a top 10 nfl back. Gus Edwards is not Ekeler. I wasn't talking about Williams, who when healthy is actually quite productive.

Ekeler hasn't been a top talent for a while and Edwards fits the mold of what JH wants to do imo

You just don't want to admit your assertion was wrong. Look up Ekelers 22 numbers. Look at Alllens 23 numbers. Mic drop.

Graham FING Barton

Wait until the draft. Ok but when we pick dl and rb don't be shocked.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Wait until the draft. Ok but when we pick dl and rb don't be shocked.

Exactly.
People act like we haven't seen this whole game before.
Kyle just doesn't put much on the o-line. He's more than willing to skimp on it. We have the history to show that.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
So our entire starting offensive line from last year that got us to the Super Bowl is resigned/returning. And now we have the chance to upgrade at certain positions that were weak, ie RT, RG, C & hell, maybe even find a future replacement for Banks next year seeing what the going rate for guards is currently in free agency. I may be in the minority but I feel good about our line because I'm confident we are going to upgrade at least one spot on the line with someone like Latham, Mims or Barton. I also think Lynch and Shanny are probably going to look for a long term answer at C in this draft pretty early, like 3rd or 4th round.

I wouldn't mind seeing us draft like four o lineman, especially versatile ones. I'd like to see us get a n awesome center to groom. A guard and tackle or two. See who develops - especially with how much the o line guys are costing for a second contract these days. Banks will be EXPENSIVE. I like him but idk if we can keep him

Originally posted by tankle104:
I wouldn't mind seeing us draft like four o lineman, especially versatile ones. I'd like to see us get a n awesome center to groom. A guard and tackle or two. See who develops - especially with how much the o line guys are costing for a second contract these days. Banks will be EXPENSIVE. I like him but idk if we can keep him

And we have to prep for Trent's looming retirement.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
So our entire starting offensive line from last year that got us to the Super Bowl is resigned/returning. And now we have the chance to upgrade at certain positions that were weak, ie RT, RG, C & hell, maybe even find a future replacement for Banks next year seeing what the going rate for guards is currently in free agency. I may be in the minority but I feel good about our line because I'm confident we are going to upgrade at least one spot on the line with someone like Latham, Mims or Barton. I also think Lynch and Shanny are probably going to look for a long term answer at C in this draft pretty early, like 3rd or 4th round.

I wouldn't mind seeing us draft like four o lineman, especially versatile ones. I'd like to see us get a n awesome center to groom. A guard and tackle or two. See who develops - especially with how much the o line guys are costing for a second contract these days. Banks will be EXPENSIVE. I like him but idk if we can keep him

I have a feeling they will draft Banks' replacement in the mid to late rounds this year and let Banks hit FA when the time comes.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Wait until the draft. Ok but when we pick dl and rb don't be shocked.

There is no draft rule for the 49ers to not draft a DL or RB. So no surprises about the people that got us to the SB a couple months ago picking who they want instead of who you want.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I wouldn't mind seeing us draft like four o lineman, especially versatile ones. I'd like to see us get a n awesome center to groom. A guard and tackle or two. See who develops - especially with how much the o line guys are costing for a second contract these days. Banks will be EXPENSIVE. I like him but idk if we can keep him

And we have to prep for Trent's looming retirement.

Yeah, this worries me. This will be Feliciano's last year too. TW will be 36. The FO has work to do.

Not sure why people think Banks will be too expensive (for the record, I don't want him back once he becomes a FA), he's an average / below-average G.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I wouldn't mind seeing us draft like four o lineman, especially versatile ones. I'd like to see us get a n awesome center to groom. A guard and tackle or two. See who develops - especially with how much the o line guys are costing for a second contract these days. Banks will be EXPENSIVE. I like him but idk if we can keep him

And we have to prep for Trent's looming retirement.

i think we have trent for at least another 2 seasons but yeah, I'd like to see us grab a great tackle prospect to groom this year. Someone who can play swing or come in for injuries and be good, that'll replace trent/mckivitz in the near future. We need to draft as many quality o line guys as possible and groom them. We need tackles, guards, and a center - free agency isn't a great option cause they league is hurtin on quality o line play so those guys are all getting over paid.

Originally posted by Koldo:
Not sure why people think Banks will be too expensive (for the record, I don't want him back once he becomes a FA), he's an average / below-average G.

Just because the C/G market has really exploded lately. In part, because so few ever make it to FA so the demand drives the price up high.