49ers Offensive Line

I don't get the Banks hate. He's young and talented. He's serviceable and is likely to get better. Once you invest time and money into a young player you don't just ditch them. I can see it with Burford (maybe move him to backup tackle anyway, he was a highly recruited tackle in college) but not with Banks.

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
I don't get the Banks hate. He's young and talented. He's serviceable and is likely to get better. Once you invest time and money into a young player you don't just ditch them. I can see it with Burford (maybe move him to backup tackle anyway, he was a highly recruited tackle in college) but not with Banks.

Zero hate. I think most think he'll have his best year in a contract year and then will be too expensive for this FO to resign.

Banks is fine. Had we run on a couple 3rd and 4s behind Trent and Banks we'd be drafting 32nd. The right side is clearly the problem.

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Not seeing any real OL trench prioritization here

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/san-francisco-49ers-regrading-all-6-nfl-draft-classes-of-gm-trent-baalke

His comment really had nothing to do with my post in the first place (that Harbaugh wasn't with the 49ers in 2010).

Either way, there is an analytics guy I follow on twitter who was discussing Harbaugh/Baalke's time here and trying to use that time to predict that Harbaugh wouldn't prioritize OL at the top of the draft with the Chargers. Didn't make much sense because they invested heavily in 2010 (pre Harbaugh) and Harbaugh wasn't making player selections anyway.

Agreed
Can't wait to see what he does with the chargers: they actually retained most of their talent and have some good picks and Herbert

They just lost two of the best offensive weapons in the nfl. They did not actually retain most of their talent.

1. Williams is rarely available so no he's not one of the best offensive weapons.
2. when I wrote that Keenan Allen had not been traded.
3. they still have a bunch of their talent and a FQB

You forgot ekeler, who despite a down year last year, is a top 10 nfl back. Gus Edwards is not Ekeler. I wasn't talking about Williams, who when healthy is actually quite productive.

Ekeler hasn't been a top talent for a while and Edwards fits the mold of what JH wants to do imo

You just don't want to admit your assertion was wrong. Look up Ekelers 22 numbers. Look at Alllens 23 numbers. Mic drop.

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Originally posted by NCommand:
The DL was 5th two years ago against the run and 26th this past year. And it made little difference. DL is so overvalued the market has become massively oversaturated now. Like I said with the Hargrave signing...he's not going to move the needle on a top 5 DL already. In fact, we got worse. Bosa isn't going to close like Jones.

Just keep recycling 1 year first round rentals and drafting on day 3 (like they just did). Cheap DL veterans are always available. We picked up Chase late. Chiefs picked up an instrumental DL late.

What you used to say about the OL: "You just need adequate play," is really what the DL has become in real life. Chiefs had the 21st and 26th DL at getting to the QB (and pace).

Either way, my point was equal blame to both lines based on the FO philosophy; not a "which is more important."

Chiefs have one of the most dominant DTs in football. They also have high end man cover DBs. Every defense is built different.

KC's OTs are awful. They win because of their QB. Not because of their OL.

DL clearly matters, look at who's the highest paid defensive players in football.

This isn't a DL vs OL debate. End of the day you need good OL to block good DL and vice versa. You can't poo poo one or the other.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Chiefs have one of the most dominant DTs in football. They also have high end man cover DBs. Every defense is built different.

KC's OTs are awful. They win because of their QB. Not because of their OL.

DL clearly matters, look at who's the highest paid defensive players in football.

This isn't a DL vs OL debate. End of the day you need good OL to block good DL and vice versa. You can't poo poo one or the other.

Sure you can

"DT's are a dime a dozen"

While simultaneously

"Need a Tier 1 IOL"

The awful OT stuff with KC has been explained, which is why there is a pivot now to you need a Tier 1 IOL. Tackles are now fungible too

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
The DL was 5th two years ago against the run and 26th this past year. And it made little difference. DL is so overvalued the market has become massively oversaturated now. Like I said with the Hargrave signing...he's not going to move the needle on a top 5 DL already. In fact, we got worse. Bosa isn't going to close like Jones.

Just keep recycling 1 year first round rentals and drafting on day 3 (like they just did). Cheap DL veterans are always available. We picked up Chase late. Chiefs picked up an instrumental DL late.

What you used to say about the OL: "You just need adequate play," is really what the DL has become in real life. Chiefs had the 21st and 26th DL at getting to the QB (and pace).

Either way, my point was equal blame to both lines based on the FO philosophy; not a "which is more important."

Chiefs have one of the most dominant DTs in football. They also have high end man cover DBs. Every defense is built different.

KC's OTs are awful. They win because of their QB. Not because of their OL.

DL clearly matters, look at who's the highest paid defensive players in football.

This isn't a DL vs OL debate. End of the day you need good OL to block good DL and vice versa. You can't poo poo one or the other.

Agreed. Or if you don't, just hold the s**t out of them.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Sure you can

"DT's are a dime a dozen"

While simultaneously

"Need a Tier 1 IOL"

The awful OT stuff with KC has been explained, which is why there is a pivot now to you need a Tier 1 IOL. Tackles are now fungible too

Mahomes' career field right now without that "HOF-Level" Tier 1 IOL...



The dots all connect.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Wait until the draft. Ok but when we pick dl and rb don't be shocked.

There is no draft rule for the 49ers to not draft a DL or RB. So no surprises about the people that got us to the SB a couple months ago picking who they want instead of who you want.

getting there and winning are an ocean apart my friend.. btw, we almost didn't make it there.. let's stop with myth that the brass built an unstoppable team for the ages. Let's talk about " who they want". How many snaps went to RB not named mcaffery? Fresh legs, power runners sat on the sidelines in the SB. Let's draft more of those please. Sad thing is they are very good but it doesn't matter iif they don't play. Moving on to the DL.. all the money and draft picks and praise etc…. did they make the stops we needed late in close games ? Nope. Over and over the DL runs out of gas, gets held with no calls etc etc, they get neutralized. No return on investment when needed most. Spare me your blind faith in the front office. We all watch the games and see the results. We already have enough pass rushers. Focus on the other line.. you know the one that keeps the qb on his feet so we can score….

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just because the C/G market has really exploded lately. In part, because so few ever make it to FA so the demand drives the price up high.

"exploded" in comparison to which positions? These are excitement words that do not reveal any true information.

For starters, let's not sneak "C" in while we are referring to a potential Banks contract, because he's a Guard.

With that out the way, I know you're probably no fan of concrete evidence, but how bout we crunch the actual numbers in excel and look at the trends over the last 10 or so seasons?



Per SpotTrac, there hasn't been any "explosion" at all in recent years. The Offensive Guard salary cap hit has been pretty consistent @ an average of 1.25% per body for the previous 9 seasons, but dipped to 1.23% in 2023 by comparison.

And if you want to consider the 4 years where their cap hits were more substantial like in 2014, 2017, 2019, and 2020, for 3 of those 4 years it was @ about 1.4%, with the highest being 10 years ago @ 1.41%.

So if we're looking @ the actual math and data,...this new Super-Emphasis on Offensive Guards and their pay simply isin't true and in comparison to the oldest year here, it's substantially declined. Gonna have tah say this one registers as a...

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
getting there and winning are an ocean apart my friend.. btw, we almost didn't make it there.. let's stop with myth that the brass built an unstoppable team for the ages. Let's talk about " who they want".

I dunno man,...do you believe in the theory of relativity?

If we're going to only compare ourselves to the KC teams with their young HOF QB that is clearly one of the best to ever lace 'em up, we've been a step behind those 2 years we lost it to them,...no doubt about it.

But if we were to compare our squad to the sea of 30 other teams that also had their chances those 2 years, then this 1 team that's the topic of this very forum has clearly been killin it!!

If we're going to assess the performance of our FO and Staff during these years,...which (of these 2 standards) is the more realistic barometer to use?

For any objective, unbiased reader -- which is kinda hard on a board full of 49ers fans that want to win a SB every year -- the answer is pretty obvious.

Niners added Brandon Parker. Interdasting

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I wonder where Laken Tomlinson ends up. I wouldn't mind having him back as a swing guard - he was good for us. Hopefully we could get him cheap cause he had a rough year last year. He has to be better than Burford. lol dude is just awful and so disappointing, I had high hopes for him.

He would be excellent depth and security.

How can you want line improvement, but then want us to sign Laken Tomlinson? He isn't good anymore. Better off double if not triple dipping in the draft.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Niners added Brandon Parker. Interdasting

Horray, I Guess

Originally posted by Heroism:
Niners added Brandon Parker. Interdasting

Replacing Matt Pryor's role?