49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I admit it when wrong...even in the 24/7 thread back then.

So is Brock really Jimmy G 2.0? Haven't seen you admit you're wrong on that one yet.

lol dude,...you hide from people when you are wrong. Give up the act.

NCommand you really called Brock, Jimmy G 2.0?

I did. In joking. Literally, his 1 bad game where he had what, 3 INT's in the middle of the field (a JG-like game).

Of course these disingenuous clowns won't remind you I also called Brock league MVP waaaaay back before it was a real thing.

You did the same thing after the SB lmao

Brock was the biggest reason we were even in that game. It would have been a blowout if Jimmy were the QB esp. in the 4Q and O.T.

But thanks for taking notes hanging on my every word...creeper.

Ya my bad for reading what you actually post, I'm sorry I don't understand what you actually meant to say, you would've definitely had a good career in politics.

You're the one posting (probably B.S.) posts out of context, at best. So maybe politics are a better career for you? You love the drama and attention too. Makes sense.

Back to the OL. Fix the right side. I guess they didn't like your idea of Tyron Smith. Bummer.

Out of context Drama and attention lmao... Does my screen name say Susweel, SanDiego, Koldo, DrEll? I would exaggerate with some takes on Alex and Jimmy, but I never went full SanDiego, he's by far the poster child of what you describe for the last 20 years now (damn we old).

I give his FO/Coaching staff more blind support than with any other FO/Coaching staff in the last 20 years because these guys proved they know wtf they are doing. I was not sold on Kyle when we first hired, I more liked it than not, but I wasn't jumping for joy like when we got Harbaugh. Lynch I'll admit I wasn't a fan off, but didn't go SanDiego with my posts, it was more of a wait and see approach. So after them building a roster from scratch, into arguably the best all around roster in football for past 4-5 years, and doing a great job with comp picks, cap management, FA signings, drafting players, the culture in the locker room and in the corporate setting, etc., of course I'm gonna trust them.

Has OL been disappointing when compared to the rest of the roster? Sure. But this s**t you keep posting about how they haven't tried, it's not their M.O, is b******t and you know it. You're just upset that they don't build the team with your blueprint of building a team through OL first, making it a top need, and them still having success all these years, although we're just slightly better than the Bears

Ya, sucks with Tyron. He definitely seems like he was content with a 1 year fully guaranteed contract if he stays healthy. There's a lot of bonus money in his contract, it's almost fully guaranteed for 20 mil if he plays 98% of the snaps. Also some bonuses for playoffs / pro bowl.

With that said, wtf...we could've done that too. I know we rarely have leaks, but it looks like we didn't approach the idea of Tyron, which is pretty dumb. My dream OL would've been established with TW, Smith, and Powers (draft). If you can have solid Ts/C, Gs are interchangeable and they will be cheap, exactly how it should be.

Gore OL blueprint >> NCs

Haha. The first paragraph had me . Fair enough.

Yeah, for me, I was all-in on Kyle. My original choice was his dad with him as the AHC/OC grooming to take over + Fangio. That would have been killer. Lynch I was very skeptical of but overall, I think he's done a really nice job.

Like you alluded too, every FO has their blindspots. The OL has clearly been theirs. I never said they didn't try. I simply said they never made it a top priority like they CLEARLY do for the DL. I think that team building strategy is backwards in today's game. Hence the "you need both" formula that's come to light the past 8 years. Nobody wins Superbowls with a tier 1 QB + DL anymore. That doesn't mean I'm minimizing the importance of the DL either. I'm a trench-guy.

Anyway, yeah, that would have been fun to try out for sure. Your off season plan is already better than mine. Because I have none in year 8. Like I told NY, I'm done with the annual plans on fixing the OL via FA, draft and trade because they never go that direction. So this year, I'm just sitting back. Fix the OL and we win a Superbowl. Don't, and we won't. It's that simple at this stage on a top 5 roster if not top 2. IMHO, of course.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I admit it when wrong...even in the 24/7 thread back then.

So is Brock really Jimmy G 2.0? Haven't seen you admit you're wrong on that one yet.

lol dude,...you hide from people when you are wrong. Give up the act.

NCommand you really called Brock, Jimmy G 2.0?

I did. In joking. Literally, his 1 bad game where he had what, 3 INT's in the middle of the field (a JG-like game).

Of course these disingenuous clowns won't remind you I also called Brock league MVP waaaaay back before it was a real thing.

You did the same thing after the SB lmao

Brock was the biggest reason we were even in that game. It would have been a blowout if Jimmy were the QB esp. in the 4Q and O.T.

But thanks for taking notes hanging on my every word...creeper.

Ya my bad for reading what you actually post, I'm sorry I don't understand what you actually meant to say, you would've definitely had a good career in politics.

You're the one posting (probably B.S.) posts out of context, at best. So maybe politics are a better career for you? You love the drama and attention too. Makes sense.

Back to the OL. Fix the right side. I guess they didn't like your idea of Tyron Smith. Bummer.

Out of context Drama and attention lmao... Does my screen name say Susweel, SanDiego, Koldo, DrEll? I would exaggerate with some takes on Alex and Jimmy, but I never went full SanDiego, he's by far the poster child of what you describe for the last 20 years now (damn we old).

I give his FO/Coaching staff more blind support than with any other FO/Coaching staff in the last 20 years because these guys proved they know wtf they are doing. I was not sold on Kyle when we first hired, I more liked it than not, but I wasn't jumping for joy like when we got Harbaugh. Lynch I'll admit I wasn't a fan off, but didn't go SanDiego with my posts, it was more of a wait and see approach. So after them building a roster from scratch, into arguably the best all around roster in football for past 4-5 years, and doing a great job with comp picks, cap management, FA signings, drafting players, the culture in the locker room and in the corporate setting, etc., of course I'm gonna trust them.

Has OL been disappointing when compared to the rest of the roster? Sure. But this s**t you keep posting about how they haven't tried, it's not their M.O, is b******t and you know it. You're just upset that they don't build the team with your blueprint of building a team through OL first, making it a top need, and them still having success all these years, although we're just slightly better than the Bears

Ya, sucks with Tyron. He definitely seems like he was content with a 1 year fully guaranteed contract if he stays healthy. There's a lot of bonus money in his contract, it's almost fully guaranteed for 20 mil if he plays 98% of the snaps. Also some bonuses for playoffs / pro bowl.

With that said, wtf...we could've done that too. I know we rarely have leaks, but it looks like we didn't approach the idea of Tyron, which is pretty dumb. My dream OL would've been established with TW, Smith, and Powers (draft). If you can have solid Ts/C, Gs are interchangeable and they will be cheap, exactly how it should be.

Gore OL blueprint >> NCs

Haha. The first paragraph had me . Fair enough.

Yeah, for me, I was all-in on Kyle. My original choice was his dad with him as the AHC/OC grooming to take over + Fangio. That would have been killer. Lynch I was very skeptical of but overall, I think he's done a really nice job.

Like you alluded too, every FO has their blindspots. The OL has clearly been theirs. I never said they didn't try. I simply said they never made it a top priority like they CLEARLY do for the DL. I think that team building strategy is backwards in today's game. Hence the "you need both" formula that's come to light the past 8 years. Nobody wins Superbowls with a tier 1 QB + DL anymore. That doesn't mean I'm minimizing the importance of the DL either. I'm a trench-guy.

Anyway, yeah, that would have been fun to try out for sure. Your off season plan is already better than mine. Because I have none in year 8. Like I told NY, I'm done with the annual plans on fixing the OL via FA, draft and trade because they never go that direction. So this year, I'm just sitting back. Fix the OL and we win a Superbowl. Don't, and we won't. It's that simple at this stage on a top 5 roster if not top 2. IMHO, of course.

Yeah I think for me the confusion/frustration comes in building such a great roster, but not applying that to the o-line in comparison. I find it odd Kyle has been comfortable going with such a suspect line when I was taught the trenches are where football games are won and lost with the o-line being the most important unit to have sound and build around etc. They attack the d-line like rabid badgers, but slap s**t at the o-line every year outside of Trent and Mack. It's just weird.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah I think for me the confusion/frustration comes in building such a great roster, but not applying that to the o-line in comparison. I find it odd Kyle has been comfortable going with such a suspect line when I was taught the trenches are where football games are won and lost with the o-line being the most important unit to have sound and build around etc. They attack the d-line like rabid badgers, but slap s**t at the o-line every year outside of Trent and Mack. It's just weird.

I certainly get there are areas you need to go skinnier on in full team building but had they taken 1/4 of the effort from the DL and pushed that to OL and CB after "self scouting" we might have a couple chips right now. That's even more compounded when the DL did nothing in 3 4Q's and 1 OT while the OL was getting overmatched and outplayed.

If the FO still can't see that after all these years, well, what can you do but rework your expectations down.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Yeah I think for me the confusion/frustration comes in building such a great roster, but not applying that to the o-line in comparison. I find it odd Kyle has been comfortable going with such a suspect line when I was taught the trenches are where football games are won and lost with the o-line being the most important unit to have sound and build around etc. They attack the d-line like rabid badgers, but slap s**t at the o-line every year outside of Trent and Mack. It's just weird.

I certainly get there are areas you need to go skinnier on in full team building but had they taken 1/4 of the effort from the DL and pushed that to OL and CB after "self scouting" we might have a couple chips right now. That's even more compounded when the DL did nothing in 3 4Q's and 1 OT while the OL was getting overmatched and outplayed.

If the FO still can't see that after all these years, well, what can you do but rework your expectations down.

It is sad the d-line whiffed after all that was invested into it. Dee Ford killed them man, but you know me, while I am all about o-line improvement I understand pass rush and bpa as well. We aren't blind. I have seen some mocks with Jared Verse fell to like friggin 28. He would be the perfect compliment to Bosa and knowing them.....

Also on this topic, DT seems like a premiere position lately and I feel that has to do with weaker o-line play throughout the league now. Interior pressure is almost unbeatable by any offense or qb etc so when teams see it they want to replicate it. Even more the reason to try and invest more into o line long term.

I know RT is a bigger need today, but I really hope they try and get that 10+ year pro bowl center, there are like 5-6 starting caliber which is nuts.

This is a good watch. Geoff Schwartz has an interesting take on the makeup of the 49ers' OL. They're currently talking about potential first-round OL picks for the 49ers.

Originally posted by Heroism:
This is a good watch. Geoff Schwartz has an interesting take on the makeup of the 49ers' OL. They're currently talking about potential first-round OL picks for the 49ers.

Cliff notes

Originally posted by genus49:
Cliff notes

basically this

Originally posted by Heroism:

I like how he described OL building at the start of the podcast. Ideally, you want 5 quality players across the line with none of them needing to be the best at their position. He said an OL is only as good as the weakest link, and that while having Trent Wiliams is great, he almost becomes a crutch when the other guys aren't good, especially when it's crunch time and guys need to win their match ups.

unfortunately, the 49ers have multiple weak links.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by genus49:
Cliff notes

basically this

Originally posted by Heroism:

I like how he described OL building at the start of the podcast. Ideally, you want 5 quality players across the line with none of them needing to be the best at their position. He said an OL is only as good as the weakest link, and that while having Trent Wiliams is great, he almost becomes a crutch when the other guys aren't good, especially when it's crunch time and guys need to win their match ups.

unfortunately, the 49ers have multiple weak links.

Thanks, that makes sense. I would like a tackle who can start right away and another we can develop throughout the season for next year. While I do think guard can be upgraded I do see that as more developmental for this year since I think Banks and Feliciano are decent. Both may be gone next year so we def need a body or two to bring along.

Center is signed for 3 more years, but I really hope they draft a kid high this draft as he's not that good imo. Brendal could be our RG or LG next year if anything right? This also brings me to our current depth isn't that good. If we bring in rookies who can make our current starters backups, that's fine by me.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'm done with the annual plans on fixing the OL via FA, draft and trade because they never go that direction.

Nahh. Just because you've never posted any thorough plans,...ever.

You have to discuss things before they happen in order for it to be a plan.

Saying what one knew all along but only AFTER events have concluded -- by all the definitions I can find -- isin't planning.

Originally posted by random49er:
Nahh. Just because you've never posted any thorough plans,...ever.

You have to discuss things before they happen in order for it to be a plan.

Saying what one knew all along but only AFTER events have concluded -- by all the definitions I can find -- isin't planning.

His plan has always been the same. Sign overrated FA lineman who aren't worh their cost (Andrew Norwell, Orlando Brown) then advocate for drafting mostly lineman then wait to see which lineman performed well during the season and say those were the guys he wanted after the fact.

Rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I admit it when wrong...even in the 24/7 thread back then.

So is Brock really Jimmy G 2.0? Haven't seen you admit you're wrong on that one yet.

lol dude,...you hide from people when you are wrong. Give up the act.

NCommand you really called Brock, Jimmy G 2.0?

I did. In joking. Literally, his 1 bad game where he had what, 3 INT's in the middle of the field (a JG-like game).

Of course these disingenuous clowns won't remind you I also called Brock league MVP waaaaay back before it was a real thing.

You did the same thing after the SB lmao

Brock was the biggest reason we were even in that game. It would have been a blowout if Jimmy were the QB esp. in the 4Q and O.T.

But thanks for taking notes hanging on my every word...creeper.

Ya my bad for reading what you actually post, I'm sorry I don't understand what you actually meant to say, you would've definitely had a good career in politics.

You're the one posting (probably B.S.) posts out of context, at best. So maybe politics are a better career for you? You love the drama and attention too. Makes sense.

Back to the OL. Fix the right side. I guess they didn't like your idea of Tyron Smith. Bummer.

Out of context Drama and attention lmao... Does my screen name say Susweel, SanDiego, Koldo, DrEll? I would exaggerate with some takes on Alex and Jimmy, but I never went full SanDiego, he's by far the poster child of what you describe for the last 20 years now (damn we old).

I give his FO/Coaching staff more blind support than with any other FO/Coaching staff in the last 20 years because these guys proved they know wtf they are doing. I was not sold on Kyle when we first hired, I more liked it than not, but I wasn't jumping for joy like when we got Harbaugh. Lynch I'll admit I wasn't a fan off, but didn't go SanDiego with my posts, it was more of a wait and see approach. So after them building a roster from scratch, into arguably the best all around roster in football for past 4-5 years, and doing a great job with comp picks, cap management, FA signings, drafting players, the culture in the locker room and in the corporate setting, etc., of course I'm gonna trust them.

Has OL been disappointing when compared to the rest of the roster? Sure. But this s**t you keep posting about how they haven't tried, it's not their M.O, is b******t and you know it. You're just upset that they don't build the team with your blueprint of building a team through OL first, making it a top need, and them still having success all these years, although we're just slightly better than the Bears

Ya, sucks with Tyron. He definitely seems like he was content with a 1 year fully guaranteed contract if he stays healthy. There's a lot of bonus money in his contract, it's almost fully guaranteed for 20 mil if he plays 98% of the snaps. Also some bonuses for playoffs / pro bowl.

With that said, wtf...we could've done that too. I know we rarely have leaks, but it looks like we didn't approach the idea of Tyron, which is pretty dumb. My dream OL would've been established with TW, Smith, and Powers (draft). If you can have solid Ts/C, Gs are interchangeable and they will be cheap, exactly how it should be.

Gore OL blueprint >> NCs

Haha. The first paragraph had me . Fair enough.

Yeah, for me, I was all-in on Kyle. My original choice was his dad with him as the AHC/OC grooming to take over + Fangio. That would have been killer. Lynch I was very skeptical of but overall, I think he's done a really nice job.

Like you alluded too, every FO has their blindspots. The OL has clearly been theirs. I never said they didn't try. I simply said they never made it a top priority like they CLEARLY do for the DL. I think that team building strategy is backwards in today's game. Hence the "you need both" formula that's come to light the past 8 years. Nobody wins Superbowls with a tier 1 QB + DL anymore. That doesn't mean I'm minimizing the importance of the DL either. I'm a trench-guy.

Anyway, yeah, that would have been fun to try out for sure. Your off season plan is already better than mine. Because I have none in year 8. Like I told NY, I'm done with the annual plans on fixing the OL via FA, draft and trade because they never go that direction. So this year, I'm just sitting back. Fix the OL and we win a Superbowl. Don't, and we won't. It's that simple at this stage on a top 5 roster if not top 2. IMHO, of course.

All I know is majority of the teams that have the best OLs, haven't really made much noise in the playoffs.

Cowboys
Lions
ATL (can't even make the playoffs)
Browns
Colts (can't even make the playoffs)
Packers
Eagles (they've gone far)
Bears (can't even make the playoffs)

So I just don't get this idea that an elite OL changes everything for your team. Give me a Chris Jones, Aaron Donland, Watt, Bosa, Garrett, any day of the week over the top OL. All it takes is one or two average players on the OL and it blows up in your face when it matters. A good defensive team will put their best DL in a position to succeed. You can have Trent Williams on your OL, but you're not going to move him to G/C/RT, while with an elite DL you can move him anywhere. You can pick the matchup you want.

So you basically need 4-5 good to elite OL if you want to have a real bad ass OL, which just ain't happening. Even if as a FO you decide that the next 2 years you go full OL, draft them 1st and 2nd round, trade for one, sign one in FA, the rest of your roster is going to suffer a lot and you can't keep 4-5 good/elite OL for 4+ years, this ain't college football.

Look at your initial posts in this thread when it was first made. You valued scheme, coaching, QB play. At some point you changed stances for whatever reason.

Eagles have been so successful with their OL over the last decade is because of their scheme / player development. Their OL coach is by far the best in the business. They take late round picks and even UDFA, and turn them into pro bowlers. It's not like they are overspending in FA or the reaching in the draft either. It's all about the scheme and player development there, give or a take a few guys over the past decade that were drafted high.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by genus49:
Cliff notes

basically this

Originally posted by Heroism:

I like how he described OL building at the start of the podcast. Ideally, you want 5 quality players across the line with none of them needing to be the best at their position. He said an OL is only as good as the weakest link, and that while having Trent Wiliams is great, he almost becomes a crutch when the other guys aren't good, especially when it's crunch time and guys need to win their match ups.

unfortunately, the 49ers have multiple weak links.

Thanks for the video and recap. Geoff Schwartz clearly is my daddy. LOL

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49erFaithfullest:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
I admit it when wrong...even in the 24/7 thread back then.

So is Brock really Jimmy G 2.0? Haven't seen you admit you're wrong on that one yet.

lol dude,...you hide from people when you are wrong. Give up the act.

NCommand you really called Brock, Jimmy G 2.0?

I did. In joking. Literally, his 1 bad game where he had what, 3 INT's in the middle of the field (a JG-like game).

Of course these disingenuous clowns won't remind you I also called Brock league MVP waaaaay back before it was a real thing.

You did the same thing after the SB lmao

Brock was the biggest reason we were even in that game. It would have been a blowout if Jimmy were the QB esp. in the 4Q and O.T.

But thanks for taking notes hanging on my every word...creeper.

Ya my bad for reading what you actually post, I'm sorry I don't understand what you actually meant to say, you would've definitely had a good career in politics.

You're the one posting (probably B.S.) posts out of context, at best. So maybe politics are a better career for you? You love the drama and attention too. Makes sense.

Back to the OL. Fix the right side. I guess they didn't like your idea of Tyron Smith. Bummer.

Out of context Drama and attention lmao... Does my screen name say Susweel, SanDiego, Koldo, DrEll? I would exaggerate with some takes on Alex and Jimmy, but I never went full SanDiego, he's by far the poster child of what you describe for the last 20 years now (damn we old).

I give his FO/Coaching staff more blind support than with any other FO/Coaching staff in the last 20 years because these guys proved they know wtf they are doing. I was not sold on Kyle when we first hired, I more liked it than not, but I wasn't jumping for joy like when we got Harbaugh. Lynch I'll admit I wasn't a fan off, but didn't go SanDiego with my posts, it was more of a wait and see approach. So after them building a roster from scratch, into arguably the best all around roster in football for past 4-5 years, and doing a great job with comp picks, cap management, FA signings, drafting players, the culture in the locker room and in the corporate setting, etc., of course I'm gonna trust them.

Has OL been disappointing when compared to the rest of the roster? Sure. But this s**t you keep posting about how they haven't tried, it's not their M.O, is b******t and you know it. You're just upset that they don't build the team with your blueprint of building a team through OL first, making it a top need, and them still having success all these years, although we're just slightly better than the Bears

Ya, sucks with Tyron. He definitely seems like he was content with a 1 year fully guaranteed contract if he stays healthy. There's a lot of bonus money in his contract, it's almost fully guaranteed for 20 mil if he plays 98% of the snaps. Also some bonuses for playoffs / pro bowl.

With that said, wtf...we could've done that too. I know we rarely have leaks, but it looks like we didn't approach the idea of Tyron, which is pretty dumb. My dream OL would've been established with TW, Smith, and Powers (draft). If you can have solid Ts/C, Gs are interchangeable and they will be cheap, exactly how it should be.

Gore OL blueprint >> NCs

Haha. The first paragraph had me . Fair enough.

Yeah, for me, I was all-in on Kyle. My original choice was his dad with him as the AHC/OC grooming to take over + Fangio. That would have been killer. Lynch I was very skeptical of but overall, I think he's done a really nice job.

Like you alluded too, every FO has their blindspots. The OL has clearly been theirs. I never said they didn't try. I simply said they never made it a top priority like they CLEARLY do for the DL. I think that team building strategy is backwards in today's game. Hence the "you need both" formula that's come to light the past 8 years. Nobody wins Superbowls with a tier 1 QB + DL anymore. That doesn't mean I'm minimizing the importance of the DL either. I'm a trench-guy.

Anyway, yeah, that would have been fun to try out for sure. Your off season plan is already better than mine. Because I have none in year 8. Like I told NY, I'm done with the annual plans on fixing the OL via FA, draft and trade because they never go that direction. So this year, I'm just sitting back. Fix the OL and we win a Superbowl. Don't, and we won't. It's that simple at this stage on a top 5 roster if not top 2. IMHO, of course.

All I know is majority of the teams that have the best OLs, haven't really made much noise in the playoffs.

Cowboys
Lions
ATL (can't even make the playoffs)
Browns
Colts (can't even make the playoffs)
Packers
Eagles (they've gone far)
Bears (can't even make the playoffs)

So I just don't get this idea that an elite OL changes everything for your team. Give me a Chris Jones, Aaron Donland, Watt, Bosa, Garrett, any day of the week over the top OL. All it takes is one or two average players on the OL and it blows up in your face when it matters. A good defensive team will put their best DL in a position to succeed. You can have Trent Williams on your OL, but you're not going to move him to G/C/RT, while with an elite DL you can move him anywhere. You can pick the matchup you want.

So you basically need 4-5 good to elite OL if you want to have a real bad ass OL, which just ain't happening. Even if as a FO you decide that the next 2 years you go full OL, draft them 1st and 2nd round, trade for one, sign one in FA, the rest of your roster is going to suffer a lot and you can't keep 4-5 good/elite OL for 4+ years, this ain't college football.

Look at your initial posts in this thread when it was first made. You valued scheme, coaching, QB play. At some point you changed stances for whatever reason.

Eagles have been so successful with their OL over the last decade is because of their scheme / player development. Their OL coach is by far the best in the business. They take late round picks and even UDFA, and turn them into pro bowlers. It's not like they are overspending in FA or the reaching in the draft either. It's all about the scheme and player development there, give or a take a few guys over the past decade that were drafted high.

Yeah, that's exactly why "you need both." Once you think you have your FQB, whether Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jimmy Garoppolo or Brock Purdy, you protect and build around him. That's been a big fail under this regime. Even the off season, they went right back to the DL as their top priority.

Overall, I agree. You can build the best OL on the planet but it won't mean jack if you don't have the QB to go with it...scheme, coaching, etc.

The point is, we have everything we need to win a Superbowl. They simply need to shift their priority to doing everything they can for Brock, starting with the OL and unit pass protection.

I also agree; you don't need all HOF OL and they all don't need to be 1st round selections. Some HC/FO's simply have a higher priority there, a better eye for talent and are much better at development. And are willing to go out and buy it or trade for it, as needed.

Our FO is exactly the same way...except for the DL.

Overall, as you're seeing with high end DL available year round, the DL talent is >>>>>> OL talent in this league. That said, once you get to the playoffs, it's pretty even by that point. And we've seen the OL's winning more in the Superbowls (we know this intimately).

The best DL's like in Cleveland, Dallas, Philly, SF, LAR, etc...the tier 1 DL's simply aren't winning it all.

I'm a trench guy. Trust me. If the best combo over the last 8 years was a Tier 1 QB + DL, I'd be all over it, pointing it out. But it's a passing league.

After 8 off seasons, the FO has had plenty of time to build up both units in the trenches. Most coaches barely get enough time to build up one unit before they're gone.

PS: Nice talking team building strategy with you.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, that's exactly why "you need both." Once you think you have your FQB, whether Joe Montana, Steve Young, Jimmy Garoppolo or Brock Purdy, you protect and build around him. That's been a big fail under this regime. Even the off season, they went right back to the DL as their top priority.

"Build around Jimmy G."

Wouldn't really ever be my goal,...but if they never built around such an extremely average QB like Jimmy,...then how on Earth did they reach the SB win him?

You do know that only 2 teams are allowed to compete in the SB ever year, right?

Originally posted by random49er:
"Build around Jimmy G."

Wouldn't really ever be my goal,...but if they never built around such an extremely average QB like Jimmy,...then how on Earth did they reach the SB win him?

You do know that only 2 teams are allowed to compete in the SB ever year, right?

One of those guys is not like the others for sure.