49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:
Danke!

It's not a bottom feeding O-line though. You don't have generational offensive stats with a chump change O-Line. It's plenty good on the left side. Brendal is a pro-bowl alternate, for what it's worth. CMC was a league leader on the ground running primarily behind Banks and Trent. Mckivitz - I thought - ended the year strong with decent play against some top notch edge rushers in the playoffs and did OK in the Superbowl.

Feliciano, was an impressive find. I still have hopes Burford, Zakelj, and Moore continue to get stronger and challenge the starters. They better because I think Puni can start.

I think the 49ers really did a good job in loading up the O-Line with some great undrafted/free agent athletes too. Foerster has proven to be able to develop those kinds of athletes. Brendel/Brunskill being great examples of Foerster's coaching ability in that area.

I agree there not a bottom feeding O line. I think they are an average O line. I agree McKivitz improved as the year when on. I like what Foerster has done with the O line. Depth has Improved with drafting Puni. As for Burford, Zakelj, and Moore 2 of the 3 are probably gone and replaced with Puni and Kingston. undrafted/free agent for the O line are a great story but how many really make it? 1 out of 100 ??? better odds ?Worst odds? Plus how many of those that make are starters ? I really have no idea. Brendal made it form Undrafted to a starter. How many year did it take? Could he be upgraded? Could they have upgrade in this last draft? I think Kyle is happy with the o line he has. He could have easily moved down into the second round got extra pick and draft a starting right guard in Jackson Powers- Johnson or Zack Frazier and moved ether to Center when needed. He could have drafted a Tackle to replace McKivitz and move over while Trent is injured. But Kyle did none of these. He waited till the third round, there was a little run on Guard so he traded up for Puni. I think Puni will ride the bench and play next year when the let Banks walk. After next year they are going to have Cap problem and have no replacement for Trent. I think Kyle need to put a little more draft capital into the O line and this year would have been a good year to do it. I like the team, I think they need a real GM running the draft not Kyle Shanahan.

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Danke!

It's not a bottom feeding O-line though. You don't have generational offensive stats with a chump change O-Line. It's plenty good on the left side. Brendal is a pro-bowl alternate, for what it's worth. CMC was a league leader on the ground running primarily behind Banks and Trent. Mckivitz - I thought - ended the year strong with decent play against some top notch edge rushers in the playoffs and did OK in the Superbowl.

Feliciano, was an impressive find. I still have hopes Burford, Zakelj, and Moore continue to get stronger and challenge the starters. They better because I think Puni can start.

I think the 49ers really did a good job in loading up the O-Line with some great undrafted/free agent athletes too. Foerster has proven to be able to develop those kinds of athletes. Brendel/Brunskill being great examples of Foerster's coaching ability in that area.

I agree there not a bottom feeding O line. I think they are an average O line. I agree McKivitz improved as the year when on. I like what Foerster has done with the O line. Depth has Improved with drafting Puni. As for Burford, Zakelj, and Moore 2 of the 3 are probably gone and replaced with Puni and Kingston. undrafted/free agent for the O line are a great story but how many really make it? 1 out of 100 ??? better odds ?Worst odds? Plus how many of those that make are starters ? I really have no idea. Brendal made it form Undrafted to a starter. How many year did it take? Could he be upgraded? Could they have upgrade in this last draft? I think Kyle is happy with the o line he has. He could have easily moved down into the second round got extra pick and draft a starting right guard in Jackson Powers- Johnson or Zack Frazier and moved ether to Center when needed. He could have drafted a Tackle to replace McKivitz and move over while Trent is injured. But Kyle did none of these. He waited till the third round, there was a little run on Guard so he traded up for Puni. I think Puni will ride the bench and play next year when the let Banks walk. After next year they are going to have Cap problem and have no replacement for Trent. I think Kyle need to put a little more draft capital into the O line and this year would have been a good year to do it. I like the team, I think they need a real GM running the draft not Kyle Shanahan.

No rookie center was going to come in and start, so you have to let that one go. As for tackle, they could have moved up and tried harder, but honestly even though OL is their biggest weakness, the additions of Pearsall, Cowing, Green, Puni, and Mustapha will end up being bigger pluses to the team than any OL we could've drafted where we were at. Now I like the idea of adding JPJ,maybe a move up for Frazier in the 2nd, or even move up for Rosengarten, then another move up for Puni (the original 3rd round pick us gone if we move up for Frazier), the team would still look great, but I think the offense is less explosive and the defense still has some big holes. I wouldn't mind that kind of aggressiveness for a tackle next year.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Danke!

It's not a bottom feeding O-line though. You don't have generational offensive stats with a chump change O-Line. It's plenty good on the left side. Brendal is a pro-bowl alternate, for what it's worth. CMC was a league leader on the ground running primarily behind Banks and Trent. Mckivitz - I thought - ended the year strong with decent play against some top notch edge rushers in the playoffs and did OK in the Superbowl.

Feliciano, was an impressive find. I still have hopes Burford, Zakelj, and Moore continue to get stronger and challenge the starters. They better because I think Puni can start.

I think the 49ers really did a good job in loading up the O-Line with some great undrafted/free agent athletes too. Foerster has proven to be able to develop those kinds of athletes. Brendel/Brunskill being great examples of Foerster's coaching ability in that area.

I agree there not a bottom feeding O line. I think they are an average O line. I agree McKivitz improved as the year when on. I like what Foerster has done with the O line. Depth has Improved with drafting Puni. As for Burford, Zakelj, and Moore 2 of the 3 are probably gone and replaced with Puni and Kingston. undrafted/free agent for the O line are a great story but how many really make it? 1 out of 100 ??? better odds ?Worst odds? Plus how many of those that make are starters ? I really have no idea. Brendal made it form Undrafted to a starter. How many year did it take? Could he be upgraded? Could they have upgrade in this last draft? I think Kyle is happy with the o line he has. He could have easily moved down into the second round got extra pick and draft a starting right guard in Jackson Powers- Johnson or Zack Frazier and moved ether to Center when needed. He could have drafted a Tackle to replace McKivitz and move over while Trent is injured. But Kyle did none of these. He waited till the third round, there was a little run on Guard so he traded up for Puni. I think Puni will ride the bench and play next year when the let Banks walk. After next year they are going to have Cap problem and have no replacement for Trent. I think Kyle need to put a little more draft capital into the O line and this year would have been a good year to do it. I like the team, I think they need a real GM running the draft not Kyle Shanahan.

No rookie center was going to come in and start, so you have to let that one go. As for tackle, they could have moved up and tried harder, but honestly even though OL is their biggest weakness, the additions of Pearsall, Cowing, Green, Puni, and Mustapha will end up being bigger pluses to the team than any OL we could've drafted where we were at. Now I like the idea of adding JPJ,maybe a move up for Frazier in the 2nd, or even move up for Rosengarten, then another move up for Puni (the original 3rd round pick us gone if we move up for Frazier), the team would still look great, but I think the offense is less explosive and the defense still has some big holes. I wouldn't mind that kind of aggressiveness for a tackle next year.

Frazier/Powers could've at least competed for a RG spot, and worst case give us solid depth at C/G. Would've much rather preferred that pick.

Tackle for me was out of the question after you had like 5-6 guys in the top 25. No way you spend a 1st round pick or move down for the 6-8th best T.

If Pearsall turns into a stud, I won't care.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Danke!

It's not a bottom feeding O-line though. You don't have generational offensive stats with a chump change O-Line. It's plenty good on the left side. Brendal is a pro-bowl alternate, for what it's worth. CMC was a league leader on the ground running primarily behind Banks and Trent. Mckivitz - I thought - ended the year strong with decent play against some top notch edge rushers in the playoffs and did OK in the Superbowl.

Feliciano, was an impressive find. I still have hopes Burford, Zakelj, and Moore continue to get stronger and challenge the starters. They better because I think Puni can start.

I think the 49ers really did a good job in loading up the O-Line with some great undrafted/free agent athletes too. Foerster has proven to be able to develop those kinds of athletes. Brendel/Brunskill being great examples of Foerster's coaching ability in that area.

I agree there not a bottom feeding O line. I think they are an average O line. I agree McKivitz improved as the year when on. I like what Foerster has done with the O line. Depth has Improved with drafting Puni. As for Burford, Zakelj, and Moore 2 of the 3 are probably gone and replaced with Puni and Kingston. undrafted/free agent for the O line are a great story but how many really make it? 1 out of 100 ??? better odds ?Worst odds? Plus how many of those that make are starters ? I really have no idea. Brendal made it form Undrafted to a starter. How many year did it take? Could he be upgraded? Could they have upgrade in this last draft? I think Kyle is happy with the o line he has. He could have easily moved down into the second round got extra pick and draft a starting right guard in Jackson Powers- Johnson or Zack Frazier and moved ether to Center when needed. He could have drafted a Tackle to replace McKivitz and move over while Trent is injured. But Kyle did none of these. He waited till the third round, there was a little run on Guard so he traded up for Puni. I think Puni will ride the bench and play next year when the let Banks walk. After next year they are going to have Cap problem and have no replacement for Trent. I think Kyle need to put a little more draft capital into the O line and this year would have been a good year to do it. I like the team, I think they need a real GM running the draft not Kyle Shanahan.

No rookie center was going to come in and start, so you have to let that one go. As for tackle, they could have moved up and tried harder, but honestly even though OL is their biggest weakness, the additions of Pearsall, Cowing, Green, Puni, and Mustapha will end up being bigger pluses to the team than any OL we could've drafted where we were at. Now I like the idea of adding JPJ,maybe a move up for Frazier in the 2nd, or even move up for Rosengarten, then another move up for Puni (the original 3rd round pick us gone if we move up for Frazier), the team would still look great, but I think the offense is less explosive and the defense still has some big holes. I wouldn't mind that kind of aggressiveness for a tackle next year.

I never said a Rookie would start at center. So, I think maybe you should let it go.

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Danke!

It's not a bottom feeding O-line though. You don't have generational offensive stats with a chump change O-Line. It's plenty good on the left side. Brendal is a pro-bowl alternate, for what it's worth. CMC was a league leader on the ground running primarily behind Banks and Trent. Mckivitz - I thought - ended the year strong with decent play against some top notch edge rushers in the playoffs and did OK in the Superbowl.

Feliciano, was an impressive find. I still have hopes Burford, Zakelj, and Moore continue to get stronger and challenge the starters. They better because I think Puni can start.

I think the 49ers really did a good job in loading up the O-Line with some great undrafted/free agent athletes too. Foerster has proven to be able to develop those kinds of athletes. Brendel/Brunskill being great examples of Foerster's coaching ability in that area.

I agree there not a bottom feeding O line. I think they are an average O line. I agree McKivitz improved as the year when on. I like what Foerster has done with the O line. Depth has Improved with drafting Puni. As for Burford, Zakelj, and Moore 2 of the 3 are probably gone and replaced with Puni and Kingston. undrafted/free agent for the O line are a great story but how many really make it? 1 out of 100 ??? better odds ?Worst odds? Plus how many of those that make are starters ? I really have no idea. Brendal made it form Undrafted to a starter. How many year did it take? Could he be upgraded? Could they have upgrade in this last draft? I think Kyle is happy with the o line he has. He could have easily moved down into the second round got extra pick and draft a starting right guard in Jackson Powers- Johnson or Zack Frazier and moved ether to Center when needed. He could have drafted a Tackle to replace McKivitz and move over while Trent is injured. But Kyle did none of these. He waited till the third round, there was a little run on Guard so he traded up for Puni. I think Puni will ride the bench and play next year when the let Banks walk. After next year they are going to have Cap problem and have no replacement for Trent. I think Kyle need to put a little more draft capital into the O line and this year would have been a good year to do it. I like the team, I think they need a real GM running the draft not Kyle Shanahan.

Agree that Kyle likes his current OLine. One *big* factor that most don't mention is that Trent didn't retire and is still relatively healthy for his age. Compare that situation to (for example) Bryan Baluga who had multiple knee and ACL injuries throughout his career. As you, or another poster said, as long as Trent remains relatively healthy (i.e. doesn't miss more than two or three regular season games, and plays every playoff game relatively healthy) this OLine does look deep and solid.

As to your point about who will replace Trent - they have done massive trade ups before (Ex: Trey Lance draft deal) to get their guy. I can see them being desperate enough to do a blockbuster trade if they *know* there is a Trent Williams 2.0 in the 2025 draft that they *desperately* want. It's a long time between now and this time next year, and a lot of good and/or bad things can change on our Left Tackle situation.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Danke!

It's not a bottom feeding O-line though. You don't have generational offensive stats with a chump change O-Line. It's plenty good on the left side. Brendal is a pro-bowl alternate, for what it's worth. CMC was a league leader on the ground running primarily behind Banks and Trent. Mckivitz - I thought - ended the year strong with decent play against some top notch edge rushers in the playoffs and did OK in the Superbowl.

Feliciano, was an impressive find. I still have hopes Burford, Zakelj, and Moore continue to get stronger and challenge the starters. They better because I think Puni can start.

I think the 49ers really did a good job in loading up the O-Line with some great undrafted/free agent athletes too. Foerster has proven to be able to develop those kinds of athletes. Brendel/Brunskill being great examples of Foerster's coaching ability in that area.

I agree there not a bottom feeding O line. I think they are an average O line. I agree McKivitz improved as the year when on. I like what Foerster has done with the O line. Depth has Improved with drafting Puni. As for Burford, Zakelj, and Moore 2 of the 3 are probably gone and replaced with Puni and Kingston. undrafted/free agent for the O line are a great story but how many really make it? 1 out of 100 ??? better odds ?Worst odds? Plus how many of those that make are starters ? I really have no idea. Brendal made it form Undrafted to a starter. How many year did it take? Could he be upgraded? Could they have upgrade in this last draft? I think Kyle is happy with the o line he has. He could have easily moved down into the second round got extra pick and draft a starting right guard in Jackson Powers- Johnson or Zack Frazier and moved ether to Center when needed. He could have drafted a Tackle to replace McKivitz and move over while Trent is injured. But Kyle did none of these. He waited till the third round, there was a little run on Guard so he traded up for Puni. I think Puni will ride the bench and play next year when the let Banks walk. After next year they are going to have Cap problem and have no replacement for Trent. I think Kyle need to put a little more draft capital into the O line and this year would have been a good year to do it. I like the team, I think they need a real GM running the draft not Kyle Shanahan.

No rookie center was going to come in and start, so you have to let that one go. As for tackle, they could have moved up and tried harder, but honestly even though OL is their biggest weakness, the additions of Pearsall, Cowing, Green, Puni, and Mustapha will end up being bigger pluses to the team than any OL we could've drafted where we were at. Now I like the idea of adding JPJ,maybe a move up for Frazier in the 2nd, or even move up for Rosengarten, then another move up for Puni (the original 3rd round pick us gone if we move up for Frazier), the team would still look great, but I think the offense is less explosive and the defense still has some big holes. I wouldn't mind that kind of aggressiveness for a tackle next year.

This is going to be a fairly young line if Puni breaks into the starting lineup. Assuming the OLine remains relatively injury free (just the normal assorted dings and dents in 2024) this OLine could conceivably play for a long time from an age standpoint. (I'm not speaking about any cap issues) The only elder statesman is Trent Williams. By addressing the hole at Guard and Depth with Jarret Kingston, Feliciano, and the UDFA's, this year - they can go possibly *all in* with their draft picks (so to speak) next year and trade up to a first round - top 10 pick at the Left Tackle position. We shall see.

Originally posted by Giedi:
...they can go possibly *all in* with their draft picks (so to speak) next year and trade up to a first round - top 10 pick at the Left Tackle position...

Assuming a deep playoff run, trading up to #10 would require at minimum:

• 2025 1st Round
• 2026 1st Round
• 2027 1st Round
• Probably one or two additional mid-round picks

It won't be easy to move up that far.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Danke!

It's not a bottom feeding O-line though. You don't have generational offensive stats with a chump change O-Line. It's plenty good on the left side. Brendal is a pro-bowl alternate, for what it's worth. CMC was a league leader on the ground running primarily behind Banks and Trent. Mckivitz - I thought - ended the year strong with decent play against some top notch edge rushers in the playoffs and did OK in the Superbowl.

Feliciano, was an impressive find. I still have hopes Burford, Zakelj, and Moore continue to get stronger and challenge the starters. They better because I think Puni can start.

I think the 49ers really did a good job in loading up the O-Line with some great undrafted/free agent athletes too. Foerster has proven to be able to develop those kinds of athletes. Brendel/Brunskill being great examples of Foerster's coaching ability in that area.

I agree there not a bottom feeding O line. I think they are an average O line. I agree McKivitz improved as the year when on. I like what Foerster has done with the O line. Depth has Improved with drafting Puni. As for Burford, Zakelj, and Moore 2 of the 3 are probably gone and replaced with Puni and Kingston. undrafted/free agent for the O line are a great story but how many really make it? 1 out of 100 ??? better odds ?Worst odds? Plus how many of those that make are starters ? I really have no idea. Brendal made it form Undrafted to a starter. How many year did it take? Could he be upgraded? Could they have upgrade in this last draft? I think Kyle is happy with the o line he has. He could have easily moved down into the second round got extra pick and draft a starting right guard in Jackson Powers- Johnson or Zack Frazier and moved ether to Center when needed. He could have drafted a Tackle to replace McKivitz and move over while Trent is injured. But Kyle did none of these. He waited till the third round, there was a little run on Guard so he traded up for Puni. I think Puni will ride the bench and play next year when the let Banks walk. After next year they are going to have Cap problem and have no replacement for Trent. I think Kyle need to put a little more draft capital into the O line and this year would have been a good year to do it. I like the team, I think they need a real GM running the draft not Kyle Shanahan.

No rookie center was going to come in and start, so you have to let that one go. As for tackle, they could have moved up and tried harder, but honestly even though OL is their biggest weakness, the additions of Pearsall, Cowing, Green, Puni, and Mustapha will end up being bigger pluses to the team than any OL we could've drafted where we were at. Now I like the idea of adding JPJ,maybe a move up for Frazier in the 2nd, or even move up for Rosengarten, then another move up for Puni (the original 3rd round pick us gone if we move up for Frazier), the team would still look great, but I think the offense is less explosive and the defense still has some big holes. I wouldn't mind that kind of aggressiveness for a tackle next year.

Frazier/Powers could've at least competed for a RG spot, and worst case give us solid depth at C/G. Would've much rather preferred that pick.

Tackle for me was out of the question after you had like 5-6 guys in the top 25. No way you spend a 1st round pick or move down for the 6-8th best T.

If Pearsall turns into a stud, I won't care.

Agreed, but I keep thinking back to what I first said when they drafted him (and then Green).

Announcer: Pearsall was open, but unfortunately Purdy didn't have the time to get it to him....

So it could work, but the reality is to expect the same results vs any massive improvement from the current starters.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Danke!

It's not a bottom feeding O-line though. You don't have generational offensive stats with a chump change O-Line. It's plenty good on the left side. Brendal is a pro-bowl alternate, for what it's worth. CMC was a league leader on the ground running primarily behind Banks and Trent. Mckivitz - I thought - ended the year strong with decent play against some top notch edge rushers in the playoffs and did OK in the Superbowl.

Feliciano, was an impressive find. I still have hopes Burford, Zakelj, and Moore continue to get stronger and challenge the starters. They better because I think Puni can start.

I think the 49ers really did a good job in loading up the O-Line with some great undrafted/free agent athletes too. Foerster has proven to be able to develop those kinds of athletes. Brendel/Brunskill being great examples of Foerster's coaching ability in that area.

I agree there not a bottom feeding O line. I think they are an average O line. I agree McKivitz improved as the year when on. I like what Foerster has done with the O line. Depth has Improved with drafting Puni. As for Burford, Zakelj, and Moore 2 of the 3 are probably gone and replaced with Puni and Kingston. undrafted/free agent for the O line are a great story but how many really make it? 1 out of 100 ??? better odds ?Worst odds? Plus how many of those that make are starters ? I really have no idea. Brendal made it form Undrafted to a starter. How many year did it take? Could he be upgraded? Could they have upgrade in this last draft? I think Kyle is happy with the o line he has. He could have easily moved down into the second round got extra pick and draft a starting right guard in Jackson Powers- Johnson or Zack Frazier and moved ether to Center when needed. He could have drafted a Tackle to replace McKivitz and move over while Trent is injured. But Kyle did none of these. He waited till the third round, there was a little run on Guard so he traded up for Puni. I think Puni will ride the bench and play next year when the let Banks walk. After next year they are going to have Cap problem and have no replacement for Trent. I think Kyle need to put a little more draft capital into the O line and this year would have been a good year to do it. I like the team, I think they need a real GM running the draft not Kyle Shanahan.

No rookie center was going to come in and start, so you have to let that one go. As for tackle, they could have moved up and tried harder, but honestly even though OL is their biggest weakness, the additions of Pearsall, Cowing, Green, Puni, and Mustapha will end up being bigger pluses to the team than any OL we could've drafted where we were at. Now I like the idea of adding JPJ,maybe a move up for Frazier in the 2nd, or even move up for Rosengarten, then another move up for Puni (the original 3rd round pick us gone if we move up for Frazier), the team would still look great, but I think the offense is less explosive and the defense still has some big holes. I wouldn't mind that kind of aggressiveness for a tackle next year.

Frazier/Powers could've at least competed for a RG spot, and worst case give us solid depth at C/G. Would've much rather preferred that pick.

Tackle for me was out of the question after you had like 5-6 guys in the top 25. No way you spend a 1st round pick or move down for the 6-8th best T.

If Pearsall turns into a stud, I won't care.

Agreed, but I keep thinking back to what I first said when they drafted him (and then Green).

Announcer: Pearsall was open, but unfortunately Purdy didn't have the time to get it to him....

So it could work, but the reality is to expect the same results vs any massive improvement from the current starters.

They will probably have to keep max protect to let the recivers get open. Kittle blocking and Juice to stay back for any leakage. CMC will release to be a check down if the play is still being harrassed by a caving o line. We shall see but yes the line needed an upgrade at right tackle and guard. I think Puni will be the guard of the future hopefully.

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Danke!

It's not a bottom feeding O-line though. You don't have generational offensive stats with a chump change O-Line. It's plenty good on the left side. Brendal is a pro-bowl alternate, for what it's worth. CMC was a league leader on the ground running primarily behind Banks and Trent. Mckivitz - I thought - ended the year strong with decent play against some top notch edge rushers in the playoffs and did OK in the Superbowl.

Feliciano, was an impressive find. I still have hopes Burford, Zakelj, and Moore continue to get stronger and challenge the starters. They better because I think Puni can start.

I think the 49ers really did a good job in loading up the O-Line with some great undrafted/free agent athletes too. Foerster has proven to be able to develop those kinds of athletes. Brendel/Brunskill being great examples of Foerster's coaching ability in that area.

I agree there not a bottom feeding O line. I think they are an average O line. I agree McKivitz improved as the year when on. I like what Foerster has done with the O line. Depth has Improved with drafting Puni. As for Burford, Zakelj, and Moore 2 of the 3 are probably gone and replaced with Puni and Kingston. undrafted/free agent for the O line are a great story but how many really make it? 1 out of 100 ??? better odds ?Worst odds? Plus how many of those that make are starters ? I really have no idea. Brendal made it form Undrafted to a starter. How many year did it take? Could he be upgraded? Could they have upgrade in this last draft? I think Kyle is happy with the o line he has. He could have easily moved down into the second round got extra pick and draft a starting right guard in Jackson Powers- Johnson or Zack Frazier and moved ether to Center when needed. He could have drafted a Tackle to replace McKivitz and move over while Trent is injured. But Kyle did none of these. He waited till the third round, there was a little run on Guard so he traded up for Puni. I think Puni will ride the bench and play next year when the let Banks walk. After next year they are going to have Cap problem and have no replacement for Trent. I think Kyle need to put a little more draft capital into the O line and this year would have been a good year to do it. I like the team, I think they need a real GM running the draft not Kyle Shanahan.

No rookie center was going to come in and start, so you have to let that one go. As for tackle, they could have moved up and tried harder, but honestly even though OL is their biggest weakness, the additions of Pearsall, Cowing, Green, Puni, and Mustapha will end up being bigger pluses to the team than any OL we could've drafted where we were at. Now I like the idea of adding JPJ,maybe a move up for Frazier in the 2nd, or even move up for Rosengarten, then another move up for Puni (the original 3rd round pick us gone if we move up for Frazier), the team would still look great, but I think the offense is less explosive and the defense still has some big holes. I wouldn't mind that kind of aggressiveness for a tackle next year.

I never said a Rookie would start at center. So, I think maybe you should let it go.

You said move over to center when needed and since it wasnt happening next year so all we would've gotten was a starting RG. For what it's worth, they still got a potential starting right guard. Whether it's now or next year doesn't bother me because Feliciano played well. We now have two guys in front of Burford. I gave a path to how they could have upgraded the O- line, with players named, given our picks. I like that alternative plan compared to what we did BUT the path the 49ers took likely makes them more explosive and potentially turns the secondary into an elite unit. We also shouldn't expect the offense to go AWOL whenever Deebo isn't playing. We have man beating receivers and a potential deep threat that can play now.

Now one thing that cannot be argued is another year without a replacement tackle. Should've done in last year. Could've done it this year. It isn't just that we don't have a replacement. Our tackle depth just isn't good. Jaylon Moore?

I hope our picks from 2022 - 2024 show up so that we can comfortably trade up next year to get one of the better tackles coming out. Sucky part is we need two guys. I hope McKivitz improves but we'd be better off if he were the backup tackle.ɓ

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:

Originally posted by Giedi:
...they can go possibly *all in* with their draft picks (so to speak) next year and trade up to a first round - top 10 pick at the Left Tackle position...

Assuming a deep playoff run, trading up to #10 would require at minimum:

• 2025 1st Round
• 2026 1st Round
• 2027 1st Round
• Probably one or two additional mid-round picks

It won't be easy to move up that far.

Yeah, that's too aggressive. I more so mean moving into the 20s lol or keep the first and package a 2 + 3 + 2025 Day 3 pick to get into that top 50 if there's a legit tackle prospect left.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
McKivitz was better than any tackle on the Chiefs roster in 2023 for example.

I don't think that you are correct:

McKivitz 2023 stats:
Accounted for 26% of pressures the 49ers allowed
Allowed 47 quarterback pressures
Allowed nine sacks
Pro Football Focus gave him a score of 65.2, which ranked sixth among the 49ers' offensive linemen.

What about the Chiefs OT stats?

-Colton's PBLK grade was 58.3
-Taylor (one of the highest paid OTs in football) 64.6
-Smith 62.2
KC OTs both ranked as two of the worst RBLK starting tackles in football.

Overall not a massive difference at all

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
You said move over to center when needed and since it wasnt happening next year so all we would've gotten was a starting RG. For what it's worth, they still got a potential starting right guard. Whether it's now or next year doesn't bother me because Feliciano played well. We now have two guys in front of Burford. I gave a path to how they could have upgraded the O- line, with players named, given our picks. I like that alternative plan compared to what we did BUT the path the 49ers took likely makes them more explosive and potentially turns the secondary into an elite unit. We also shouldn't expect the offense to go AWOL whenever Deebo isn't playing. We have man beating receivers and a potential deep threat that can play now.

Now one thing that cannot be argued is another year without a replacement tackle. Should've done in last year. Could've done it this year. It isn't just that we don't have a replacement. Our tackle depth just isn't good. Jaylon Moore?

I hope our picks from 2022 - 2024 show up so that we can comfortably trade up next year to get one of the better tackles coming out. Sucky part is we need two guys. I hope McKivitz improves but we'd be better off if he were the backup tackle.ɓ

I agree 100%. I like there draft pick. Feliciano play way better then I expected. I'm bummed because I think the only draft pick that will play is Green. Pearsall will get on the field a little as the 4th WR. He's going to get what 50 target in the high side. When Deebo is gone Pearsall will move into starter. If Deebo is hurt Pearsall will play more. Maybe they see Puni as I left Tackle ?? I don't think that is the plan. I think he is Banks replacement. So next years Draft will be more of the same. Need at right Guard and a Tackle.
Kyle just keep doing the same thing over again think this time it will work. Well it has not worked yet. I really think Lynch needs a promotion and they need to hire a GM for outside to run the draft and tell Kyle no.

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
You said move over to center when needed and since it wasnt happening next year so all we would've gotten was a starting RG. For what it's worth, they still got a potential starting right guard. Whether it's now or next year doesn't bother me because Feliciano played well. We now have two guys in front of Burford. I gave a path to how they could have upgraded the O- line, with players named, given our picks. I like that alternative plan compared to what we did BUT the path the 49ers took likely makes them more explosive and potentially turns the secondary into an elite unit. We also shouldn't expect the offense to go AWOL whenever Deebo isn't playing. We have man beating receivers and a potential deep threat that can play now.

Now one thing that cannot be argued is another year without a replacement tackle. Should've done in last year. Could've done it this year. It isn't just that we don't have a replacement. Our tackle depth just isn't good. Jaylon Moore?

I hope our picks from 2022 - 2024 show up so that we can comfortably trade up next year to get one of the better tackles coming out. Sucky part is we need two guys. I hope McKivitz improves but we'd be better off if he were the backup tackle.ɓ

I agree 100%. I like there draft pick. Feliciano play way better then I expected. I'm bummed because I think the only draft pick that will play is Green. Pearsall will get on the field a little as the 4th WR. He's going to get what 50 target in the high side. When Deebo is gone Pearsall will move into starter. If Deebo is hurt Pearsall will play more. Maybe they see Puni as I left Tackle ?? I don't think that is the plan. I think he is Banks replacement. So next years Draft will be more of the same. Need at right Guard and a Tackle.
Kyle just keep doing the same thing over again think this time it will work. Well it has not worked yet. I really think Lynch needs a promotion and they need to hire a GM for outside to run the draft and tell Kyle no.

I love Jauan Jennings, but Pearsall will overtake him. I think Mustapha should play. If Gurrendo doesn't play, I hope it's because we have a healthy version of 2021 Eli Mitchell. Then Cowings will have his opportunities. I don't see more than 30 catches a year for Pearsall or 20 for Cowings, but what they offer will be significant based on how defenses may start to defend us.

Feliciano sadly is retiring so Puni could be the guy at RG or LG. I'm hoping Nick Zakelj can play more.

We have a bottom feeder OL, especially in pass-blocking. Believe PFF had us ranked #24 in pass blocking. Remove Trent and the rest are are bottom of the barrel. McKivitz wasn't the worst guy on the line but we need upgrades at every spot but LT and that will become a huge problem when age catches up to Trent, possibly as soon as this season. The unwillingness to address this is a real head-scratcher.