Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:it's only bottom due stat skewing as it takes less passes needed to go down field. hence we were dead last in pass attempts but near the top in a lot of pass categories.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:Alex retiring, laken not living to his draft position is irrelevant. You called the need for high level talent. TW, LT, Mack & McGlinch are all very high level talent.. but you don't think it's enough.. even though it was more than enough. you can't advocate for wanting high level talent then dismiss the high level talent that we had.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:he's not being sarcastic. he just talks out of the you know what and spins it when he gets busted.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:Not only NC wanted 5 all pro starting OL, he went on saying we should have back ups of the same caliber after being debunked on his investing on OL myth.
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by Giedi:You can't have all of your picks be in the first round. So that for sure quality OL pick at the end of the first round isn't going to be there. Unless you make another multiple first round trade again.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
No he wasn't, he only had double standards. No other team was any different than what we do
we currently have a SB caliber OL, and we added more depth. What more can you ask for
An All-Pro at every OL position is what more I can ask for. Also I would like them to maintain a very talented roster and have a FQB for the next 20 years. Cause the reality of building teams sucks
I think Foerster is a good enough coach to develop his players. Brendel, Banks, Feliciano, etc.. have all become quality starters. NC's point (I think) was to give Foerster better athletes with higher ceilings in order to have a deeply talented OLine that can be among the best, not just merely good enough. Person and Burford being dominated by Chris Jones comes to mind. If Richburg or Felicano didn't get hurt, conceivably Chris Jones doesn't have those Superbowl game winning plays.
it's a give and take reality here and the 49ers have done a great job at keeping a winning team on the field.
I don't think NC wanted five Trent Williams on the OLine. But he did want better talent on the OLine. Whats to stop the 49ers from trading down a day two pick to get multiple high round day 3 picks and invest that into an OLineman? (Instead of drafting a running back - for example) Especially if you can get a supposedly raw but talented OLineman on a rookie contract.
I think NC's main idea was that Kyle got Jauan Jennings, Brieda, Mason by stacking talent at those particular positons, and he wanted the same thing for the OLine. They are beginning to do that with the Puni/Kingston picks but his point was it was a year (or more) too late.
We've gone over this way too many times and you are new to this so you are kinda late to the party, so i don't fault you on this.
Not all high OL will be studs, shoot only a small % of OL tend to be studs... and if you pick all OL and no skill players then you have no team.
not sure what the gripe is about OL, it's gotten dratically better every year since Kyle has been here.
NC would have been ecstatic if there were 5 Trent Williams on the OLine, but he was mostly sarcastic on this issue (five 1st round picks on the OLine.) Unfortunately his pokes to the folks who disagreed with him on this issue was taken a bit too seriously.
I certainly don't subscribe to that point, and I doubt NC did either. Developing OLine (or any other squad) needs commitment and adequately provided resources. Constantly drafting day 3 OLinemen (and also DBs) in a sense backfired on ShanaLynch in the playoffs and superbowl. Hopefully the Puni/Green picks is a sign ShanaLynch has learned their lesson.
You think he was ecstatic when we had 3 first rounders starting for us in 2021? uh no lol
if you're truly on the development side of things.. then you can't be impatient with developing. OL isn't an easy position to come by and we've done a great job of what we've got.
Alex would retire the next year, so he was nowhere playing at the level he was in his prime. Laken never lived up to his draft position. As for the year prior and two years after - 49ers never added any talent higher than a day 3 pick. NY85 has repeatedly stated, and I agree with him, OLinemen takes time to develop.
We'll, if so, then acquire high floor/high ceiling players and develop them to their potential on a continual basis. But you need to *at least* attempt to add decent talent. All they did was add day 3 level talent - which to me - signals a lack of commitment to the OLine, similar to the way ShanaLynch drafts day 3 level DB talent to their detriment in the playoffs - against a strong armed and mobile QBs like Patrick.
The last 3 years we had a SB caliber OL and once again the OL didn't end up being the factor for our loss.
OL are like wine, they just need to age in system, preferably the same system
Adding a soon-to-be retiring former all-pro isn't *adding* high level talent. Laken did well, because of Trent. Mcglinchy was was a passing game liability and eventually outplayed by Mckivitz, a day three pick.
I'm not talking draft positon. I'm talking *talent level.* Yes you can find talent in the 7th round (Brock is an example) but try doing that year in and year out and and your hit rate would be abysmal.
They should have drafted OLinemen *higher* - is my point. The Puni and Banks picks are great examples of that. This is important because ShanaLynch now have a generational talent at QB. I don't want him to have an Andrew Luck kind of career.
Superbowl level offensive line talent? Barely adequate playoff level talent, in my opinion. Last year the OLine barely held up against green Bay and the Lions game. One OLine injury and Chris Jones shut down our right guard. I think there are statistics out there saying last years OLine was at the bottom half in pass protection.
Did you even watch those playoff games.. it wasn't due to the OL.. the OL can't block 8-9 guys. Defense sold out for the run and we had no separation at WR
but guess what the OL still held and we won those games, if it truly was the OL, we don't comeback in those games at all
Defense helped us get back into the games with timely turnovers in the playoffs.
As for the Offensive line, it was generally accepted that it was one of our weaker squads last year.
Offenses have a rule advantage in the playoffs (don't hit QB, holding not called in the playoffs) etc... strengthening the offensive line helps get you that advantage in the playoffs - if you have better talent. Skimping on the offensive line just gives you a *disadvantage* in the playoffs.
It's crazy the amount of resources spent on the defensive line but the defensive line has a inherent rules *disadvantage* in the playoffs.
That's scary we need a rookie to start at RG over Burford. I had a feeling we would have issues in the O line. We need to pray that Puni is who we thought he is.