49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Atrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Atrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Atrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by RonnieLott:
The 49ers offensive line allowed 18 pressures against the Rams: • Dominick Puni: 5, and 2 sacks allowed • Colton McKivitz: 4 • Aaron Banks: 3 • Jaylon Moore: 3 • Jake Brendel: 3 Their run blocking was just as bad… What a horrible performance by the entire Oline

whats crazy, is that actually is a good day for the Chiefs OL

Chiefs have the three best IOL

lol, can't tell with all the guys mahomes is dodging. mahomes is always getting hurt also. but that guy is tough

You're going to have to watch more closely it's his tackles that are awful. There C and Guards were ranked in the top 10 of their positions and # 1 as a unit

i know what you are trying to get at, but their OL was ranked high last year too and Mahomes was still running and dodging DL.

We had the highest ranked LT, didn't mean much.

I'm just saying Mahones wasn't doing to much running last year, he was the second least sacked QB behind only Allen in Buffalo who looks like the best in the league now.This year they are middle of the pack in sacks on their QB but last year just like in the Super Bowl they get away with a lot of holding calls.It's a fact the top teams this year Det,Phi , Buf and KC are either top 5 line or middle of the pack like KC .

Less Sacks doesn't mean he's not making plays with his feet or it's some stellar OL. You want him in the pocket

We've gone through this over the years in this thread and you can't just look at stats alone

Well you said he was dodging and the stats show he was not dodging as much as other QB he had plenty of time in the Super Bowl

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Less Sacks doesn't mean he's not making plays with his feet or it's some stellar OL. You want him in the pocket

We've gone through this over the years in this thread and you can't just look at stats alone

The Chiefs have a way better line than us this year or last year not even close. Other than Trent last year the other players were Avg to below avg

Originally posted by Atrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Less Sacks doesn't mean he's not making plays with his feet or it's some stellar OL. You want him in the pocket

We've gone through this over the years in this thread and you can't just look at stats alone

The Chiefs have a way better line than us this year or last year not even close. Other than Trent last year the other players were Avg to below avg

The Chiefs have shown me a few things - It is way better to have a very good center and guards with weak tackles, than vice versa. No qb can beat pressure up the middle consistently enough to make any meaningful difference. Good QB and schemes can much better compensate for a bad or weak tackle. I think this is whats killed many plays on offense for us. Our center is horrific.

It simply helps to have an all time qb who gets all the calls.

They also have an awesome defense which is what has been carrying them this season.

Originally posted by Atrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Less Sacks doesn't mean he's not making plays with his feet or it's some stellar OL. You want him in the pocket

We've gone through this over the years in this thread and you can't just look at stats alone

The Chiefs have a way better line than us this year or last year not even close. Other than Trent last year the other players were Avg to below avg

Years prior has been debunked, this year saying they are better isn't lying but it's not by much and they are playing with their starters most of the year.

mahomes masks a lot of issues

Originally posted by Atrain:
The Chiefs have a way better line than us this year or last year not even close. Other than Trent last year the other players were Avg to below avg

The comparison between SF and KC is crazy. Here are the relative rankings right now, per PFF.

------------SF --------------KC
LT - TW/#7, JM #15 - #73

LG - #30 (Banks). - #6

C - #16 ---------#2

RG - #6 -------#12

RT - #40 ------#53

They are the best in the league IOL, but suck on the outside.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Atrain:
The Chiefs have a way better line than us this year or last year not even close. Other than Trent last year the other players were Avg to below avg

The comparison between SF and KC is crazy. Here are the relative rankings right now, per PFF.

------------SF --------------KC
LT - TW/#7, JM #15 - #73

LG - #30 (Banks). - #6

C - #16 ---------#2

RG - #6 -------#12

RT - #40 ------#53

They are the best in the league IOL, but suck on the outside.

This makes the case here that Banks and McKivitz are the ones who need to be replaced. Goes against a lot of criticism being heaped on Brendel.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Years prior has been debunked, this year saying they are better isn't lying but it's not by much and they are playing with their starters most of the year.

mahomes masks a lot of issues

Debunked by who ? There line was better last year and easily this year. Might be Reid's scheme mask some of the issues.

Originally posted by Atrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Years prior has been debunked, this year saying they are better isn't lying but it's not by much and they are playing with their starters most of the year.

mahomes masks a lot of issues

Debunked by who ? There line was better last year and easily this year. Might be Reid's scheme mask some of the issues.

Debunked by film. They were also the most penalized OL last year

you think broken plays is Reid's scheme?

Film also shows Mahoney had a lot of time to pass , do you watch the film because if you did you would know most of their penalty were on Taylor line up in the backfield or he false starts which he also did in Jax.You should know as 49er fan they got away with the holding penalty in the Super Bowl

Originally posted by Atrain:
Film also shows Mahoney had a lot of time to pass , do you watch the film because if you did you would know most of their penalty were on Taylor line up in the backfield or he false starts which he also did in Jax.You should know as 49er fan they got away with the holding penalty in the Super Bowl

No the flags were for holding the most

and yes about the SB, people were upset that team who had the most holding penalties didn't get flagged once when it was as obvious they were holding.. something that doesn't show up in rankings

plain and simple if we don't improve this line there is not a Super Bowl insight. The Chiefs have the best IOL as a unit in the league does it help to have one if the best qb of course but if you don't want to give credit to Reid can't help you there

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
No the flags were for holding the most

I have to disagree with you they had the most holding calls

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Atrain:
The Chiefs have a way better line than us this year or last year not even close. Other than Trent last year the other players were Avg to below avg

The comparison between SF and KC is crazy. Here are the relative rankings right now, per PFF.

------------SF --------------KC
LT - TW/#7, JM #15 - #73

LG - #30 (Banks). - #6

C - #16 ---------#2

RG - #6 -------#12

RT - #40 ------#53

They are the best in the league IOL, but suck on the outside.

This makes the case here that Banks and McKivitz are the ones who need to be replaced. Goes against a lot of criticism being heaped on Brendel.

No, Banks and McK are above average in equal categories. Brendel has the second lowest Pass Protection rating in the league. His run-blocking is not enough to save him a seat on the bench.

A QB just cannot, CANNOT, have pressure in his face almost immediately after the snap. In the Rams game, there were very few times when Purdy had room to step forward in the pocket and throw the ball. He was throwing off his back foot or standing flat-footed most of the time. Most of those were the result of Brendel being pushed back.

Cle 58 Chi 56 Sea 47 Hou 46 Ten 46 Be 45 NYG 45 KV 43 these are the teams with the most sacks on their QB who is going to the playoffs let have a chance to win it all ? Buf 13 GB 16 Den 20 Bal 22 Ari 23 Ind 26 Atl 26 Jax 27 six or 7 of these could make the playoffs they have the least sacks on their qb

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Atrain:
The Chiefs have a way better line than us this year or last year not even close. Other than Trent last year the other players were Avg to below avg

The comparison between SF and KC is crazy. Here are the relative rankings right now, per PFF.

------------SF --------------KC
LT - TW/#7, JM #15 - #73

LG - #30 (Banks). - #6

C - #16 ---------#2

RG - #6 -------#12

RT - #40 ------#53

They are the best in the league IOL, but suck on the outside.

This is partially why I want a wall from LG to RG. Brock is mobile enough to evade the pressure that will come from the right with that kind of protection. We also would be better on 3rd ahd short, etc. Can more comfortably go for it on 4th down with an Oline that generate that kind of push in the run game and protection in the passing game.