49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by elguapo:
I want to trade for a Center (Colts -Kelly?) or someone else that's good not above average. IDGAF give a comp 3rd we waste them anyway.

Kelly is a FA

Isn't Kelly always hurt? I'll take Josh Myers who's started 55 games since 2021 and been healthy the past three seasons.

We can def load up on FAs this year with the cap roll over and cuts. Load up at OL

Kelly will be 32 and Myers will be 27 next season.. Dalman's name keeps coming up here and there who will be 27 also. Who is the best fit?

Kelly does have an injury history. Please no Dalman, we need better pass protection and he's not that guy

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by elguapo:
I want to trade for a Center (Colts -Kelly?) or someone else that's good not above average. IDGAF give a comp 3rd we waste them anyway.

Kelly is a FA

Isn't Kelly always hurt? I'll take Josh Myers who's started 55 games since 2021 and been healthy the past three seasons.

We can def load up on FAs this year with the cap roll over and cuts. Load up at OL

Kelly will be 32 and Myers will be 27 next season.. Dalman's name keeps coming up here and there who will be 27 also. Who is the best fit?

Kelly does have an injury history. Please no Dalman, we need better pass protection and he's not that guy

So Myers? same type of scheme so he should be able to fit right in. can we lure him away ?

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jobiwon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That Right Tackle from Oregon that was mocked to us.. not looking good

It's the left tackle Conerly we'd want

oh thought he was the RT.. whew

Yeah I think he's the LT.

If they draft a left tackle they move him to RT until Williams retires. I don't know if there's a really great LT in the draft so if they have a shot at a good DT then I'm okay with it. Drafting at #11 they should take the best player that's available that also fills a need.

I keep reading that this isn't considered a strong draft so trading back to get more picks isn't a good option. Smoke em if you got em.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jobiwon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That Right Tackle from Oregon that was mocked to us.. not looking good

It's the left tackle Conerly we'd want

oh thought he was the RT.. whew

Yeah I think he's the LT.

If they draft a left tackle they move him to RT until Williams retires.

Exactly. Staley played RT his rookie year (with Jennings and Snyder playing LT).

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jobiwon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That Right Tackle from Oregon that was mocked to us.. not looking good

It's the left tackle Conerly we'd want

oh thought he was the RT.. whew

Yeah I think he's the LT.

If they draft a left tackle they move him to RT until Williams retires.

Exactly. Staley played RT his rookie year (with Jennings and Snyder playing LT).

these kids today don't want to do that s**t

It's an ankle injury for McKivitz, per Kyle.

Need 4 new starters, it's not going to be easy

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jobiwon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That Right Tackle from Oregon that was mocked to us.. not looking good

It's the left tackle Conerly we'd want

oh thought he was the RT.. whew

Yeah I think he's the LT.

If they draft a left tackle they move him to RT until Williams retires.

Exactly. Staley played RT his rookie year (with Jennings and Snyder playing LT).

I highly doubt they will, but I'd love to see 3-4 picks used on the Oline in this years draft. It's been a weak spot for so long and if they are going to spend big on Purdy they had better make the investment worth it and protect him.

I feel like this is our biggest need.

We've been very negligent with our offensive line, and after watching Jonnydel's breakdowns ad nauseam, I'd say the degree with which we've ignored it has been criminal.

Crappy gap integrity, opponent bodies just FLYING through the lanes from blown blocks all over the field...I mean...

...

...the chickens came home to roost this year.

The line does fine with street free agents and people are still talking about wasting draft picks on a position where the personnel itself is mostly irrelevant?

Quarterbacks cause most of their own sacks. Play callers cause most of the others. The only lineman who really allows sacks on this team is McKivitz, and for some reason, fans are fine with him.

^^ Chris Foerster up in here really tryna convince somebody

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
So who's starting Monday?

Guessing it's Heck - Zakelj - Brendel - Puni - McKivitz

Pleasant backing up LT and Hennessy backing up the IOL.

They have to call up someone so I'm guessing it'll be Gutierrez as he can play both guard or tackle.

I thought I saw Guti released a few weeks ago?

Ya he's gone.

We've spent like 4-5 years trying to develop him and he couldn't even take a backup T spot. That's pretty ridiculous.

One change I would like to see next year is replacing Forster with a new OL coach. When he said about a month ago that we don't need to spend high picks on the OL because skill position players are more important that's fine and all. However, if that's the case then you better be able to develop young players well that aren't drafted early. Which he hasn't done at all.

Puni is great, but he would've been great everywhere else basically. Eagles for example have several starters that are pro bowlers, that were drafted very late and one guy was even a UDFA.

Philly is a crazy outlier. That isn't normal. Foerster's done okay with what he's given. The philosophy needs to change. It's crazy how hell bent we are on Dline (no coach has gotten more than Kocurek), but think we cam get by with Brendel at center. At any rate looking forward to upgrades at C, LG, and RT. It can be done, 2 out of 3 easily with how high we are drafting.

It's pretty offensive that they don't pick this early. Part of the problem. See Sewell of the Lions and Wirfs of the Buccaneers.

Originally posted by FootballExpert49ers:
The line does fine with street free agents and people are still talking about wasting draft picks on a position where the personnel itself is mostly irrelevant?

Quarterbacks cause most of their own sacks. Play callers cause most of the others. The only lineman who really allows sacks on this team is McKivitz, and for some reason, fans are fine with him.

McKivitz has allowed 2 sacks this season, Penei Sewell has allowed 1 this season. Clearly Penei is better, but he hasn't allowed alot of sacks this season. I think they showed this on the tv cast last week as well. He's tied among the better oline players for sacks allowed. That being said, he still needs to be upgraded if we can.

Mckivitz:
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/colton-mckivitz/29314#latestNewsWidget

Sewell:
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/penei-sewell/81788#latestNewsWidget

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
McKivitz has allowed 2 sacks this season, Penei Sewell has allowed 1 this season. Clearly Penei is better, but he hasn't allowed alot of sacks this season. I think they showed this on the tv cast last week as well. He's tied among the better oline players for sacks allowed. That being said, he still needs to be upgraded if we can.

Mckivitz:
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/colton-mckivitz/29314#latestNewsWidget

Sewell:
https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/penei-sewell/81788#latestNewsWidget

I don't know how they come up with their figures, but by my viewing, Brendel didn't allow any sacks. People whine about him because they think any hint of pressure is unacceptable. That's not how football works.

Very few of the sacks were actually allowed by the team's offensive linemen. Brock was either sacked by a blitzer who was unaccounted for or beat a running back, sacked himself, or took coverage sacks.

Fans on here would hate the 49ers' lines every year since 1987. There's some revisionist history about how "good" the 49ers' lines were back in those days. In reality, the 1989 49ers' offensive line, for example, was getting shredded in the media. Joe Montana was sacked 8 times vs. the Eagles. People blamed the 49ers' offensive line for Steve Young's injuries, but the reality is Young was getting himself hurt with all his running around and holding the ball too long.

You want to fix the protection? Tell Brock to learn how to climb the pocket and not hold the ball so long.

Tell Kyle to let Brock call protection adjustments when he sees the blitz.

Tell Kyle to stop bootlegging Brock into free edge rushers.

Tell Kyle to stop putting tight ends in protection, since it's an invitation for the opposing edge to take a wide edge rush, and these tight ends are not good enough to succeed against that.

Tell Kyle to stop getting all the running backs injured by acting like modern performance enhancing drug using backs can touch the ball 20+ times per game. Running back by committee is the way to do it. Then he wouldn't have 4th string running backs trying to pick up the blitz.