49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by jobiwon:
Crazy tweet. It's likely to set expectations for minor updates to the OL. It seems like Forrestor is staying. He doesn't develop anyone. They suck for almost 4 years to improve to be below average. They always suck at giving up pressure. we had to trade for Trent. Puni came in good.

He got new bodies already. Batch was signed off a a practice squad a year ago. He'll be LG.
This year he gets Heck and Hennessy.. all former mod round draft picks.
Shanny likes to sign a vet center. There isn't a sure fire target. Hennessy will start at C. I hope Nugent is ready soon and capable of taking over there. This assumes they can force him to get rid of Brendel.

This is the year they finally get an OT. Start on right side and get ready to replace Williams.
Remember he said don't pick ol high. Take a pass catcher instead.
Our personal guys have said you have to take a tackle higher to get right fit for us
Lynch will want to focus on DT/DE in 1st. Shanny will want a TE.
OT will be in the pick in the 2nd likely. Should be in 1st.
I hope they take another OL in the 3rd too but that may be asking too much.

Id argue Foerster is a good developer of talent. Let's look at the starter we hate the most- Jake Brendel. He is an UDFA. UDFAs are like....UFL guys. You should have no expectations. He got one good year out of him as a starter. I'd sat ge us backup level talent. If he were cut, a team would sign him as depth. The soon to be gone Aaron Banks, while trending downward will get a contract elsewhere and will start. Colton McKivitz is a 5th round pick. 5th round picks are projected to be backups. The guy is an average starter. Puni looks great right now and Foerster was Trent Williams first coach. He's gotten plus production out of a lot of guys. I wish he had more to work with honestly. I also wish he pushed for a player every now and again too. There are no Trent Williams's out there, but imagine if he pushed for Creed Humphrey in 2021 (we took Aaron Banks) or any of the guys in the last draft. He has overperformed for awhile. Sadly, given the talent, I don't think we should even touch OL until round 3 or 4 this year.

Yep. Let's wait til day 3 and expect different results......its scheme not talent.

Yeah, let's draft a center in the top 50 even though there isnt one worth it. Which center would you take in the 1st or 2nd to yield these different results?

Dont worry. We will find our next center bagging groceries somewhere. I here Walmart has a good crop this year. Diamonds in the rough. It's not like the center position in Shanys offense is important or anything. Over rated position.

When the philosophy is hands on balls you got laugh. .

I love Shannahan the offensive play caller, but Shannahan the GM/Coach leaves a lot to be desired
we had to endure several years of our ST coach… how about we look not just at the offensive line, but also at the coach ? Any thoughts about the guy why is he getting free pass ?

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Dont worry. We will find our next center bagging groceries somewhere. I here Walmart has a good crop this year. Diamonds in the rough. It's not like the center position in Shanys offense is important or anything. Over rated position.

When the philosophy is hands on balls you got laugh. .

Nope. Need a guy in the top 50 please. Who are you selecting?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Dont worry. We will find our next center bagging groceries somewhere. I here Walmart has a good crop this year. Diamonds in the rough. It's not like the center position in Shanys offense is important or anything. Over rated position.

When the philosophy is hands on balls you got laugh. .

Nope. Need a guy in the top 50 please. Who are you selecting?

All the Cs (even the top ones) are all projected to go in the 3rd and 4th round. He's obviously clueless

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Dont worry. We will find our next center bagging groceries somewhere. I here Walmart has a good crop this year. Diamonds in the rough. It's not like the center position in Shanys offense is important or anything. Over rated position.

When the philosophy is hands on balls you got laugh. .

Nope. Need a guy in the top 50 please. Who are you selecting?

Hmmmm. Who to choose from. So many from the 2024 draft.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Dont worry. We will find our next center bagging groceries somewhere. I here Walmart has a good crop this year. Diamonds in the rough. It's not like the center position in Shanys offense is important or anything. Over rated position.

When the philosophy is hands on balls you got laugh. .

Nope. Need a guy in the top 50 please. Who are you selecting?

All the Cs (even the top ones) are all projected to go in the 3rd and 4th round. He's obviously clueless

So arrogant. I didnt know we are in the presence of a draft guru with a crystal ball. Should we bend the knee.

If you pay attention to my comments they are not specific to the 2025 draft. I It's about the on going philosophy and the lack of resources on the OL. How we upgrade at center and other OL positions ....I dont really care just get better and stop ignoring it.

Knowing we can't spend wildly in free agency with lots of needs my guess is we focus on a veteran FA C as starters go. No way Kyle trusts a rookie C in his offense.

-Sign Ryan Kelly and 2-3 cheaper depth pieces.
-Resign Ben Bartch
-Use the draft to address LG and hopefully developmental T (unless T is taken at 11. Target a C to develop.

Realistic line week 1:

Trent/draft/Kelly/Puni/Colton

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Dont worry. We will find our next center bagging groceries somewhere. I here Walmart has a good crop this year. Diamonds in the rough. It's not like the center position in Shanys offense is important or anything. Over rated position.

When the philosophy is hands on balls you got laugh. .

Nope. Need a guy in the top 50 please. Who are you selecting?

All the Cs (even the top ones) are all projected to go in the 3rd and 4th round. He's obviously clueless

So arrogant. I didnt know we are in the presence of a draft guru with a crystal ball. Should we bend the knee.

If you pay attention to my comments they are not specific to the 2025 draft. I It's about the on going philosophy and the lack of resources on the OL. How we upgrade at center and other OL positions ....I dont really care just get better and stop ignoring it.

You said the team was waiting until day 3 expecting different results so I'm truly interested in what they can do right now, in this draft about the problem. The year is 2025 in case you get lost trying to answer.

Originally posted by Niners418:
Knowing we can't spend wildly in free agency with lots of needs my guess is we focus on a veteran FA C as starters go. No way Kyle trusts a rookie C in his offense.

-Sign Ryan Kelly and 2-3 cheaper depth pieces.
-Resign Ben Bartch
-Use the draft to address LG and hopefully developmental T (unless T is taken at 11. Target a C to develop.

Realistic line week 1:

Trent/draft/Kelly/Puni/Colton

I said earlier they gotta throw out their strategy if they don't have a guy on their roster that can beat out Brendel. There are a few guys that have had a few years in their system. If no one among them can do it, draft and develop is out. With that said. I'd rather go Dalman at center, but everything else is the same. Should have us above average at both run and pass blocking and hopefully good on both sides.

I agree on Kyle not having a rookie center, but it seems like...is there a break even point with talent, strength vs making the calls? Brendel is definitely a minus in the first category. It's like a QB that can know what read to make, but throws ducks because they have no arm strength to get the ball there. Or a running back that can identify what free rusher to pick up but gets run over anyway. What good is knowing if you can't handle the people coming at you?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Dont worry. We will find our next center bagging groceries somewhere. I here Walmart has a good crop this year. Diamonds in the rough. It's not like the center position in Shanys offense is important or anything. Over rated position.

When the philosophy is hands on balls you got laugh. .

Nope. Need a guy in the top 50 please. Who are you selecting?

All the Cs (even the top ones) are all projected to go in the 3rd and 4th round. He's obviously clueless

So arrogant. I didnt know we are in the presence of a draft guru with a crystal ball. Should we bend the knee.

If you pay attention to my comments they are not specific to the 2025 draft. I It's about the on going philosophy and the lack of resources on the OL. How we upgrade at center and other OL positions ....I dont really care just get better and stop ignoring it.

You said the team was waiting until day 3 expecting different results so I'm truly interested in what they can do right now, in this draft about the problem. The year is 2025 in case you get lost trying to answer.

I am not lost on the fact 2024 was a great year for OL.

When I say day 3 that means 7th round and UDFA when comes to how the 49ers draft OL. That is an exaggeration by the way.

51 pick is in the second round.

Really great centers are hard to find. Good athletes usually are put at guard and if they're big enough at tackle. Sometimes the best centers are guards that get moved .

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Dont worry. We will find our next center bagging groceries somewhere. I here Walmart has a good crop this year. Diamonds in the rough. It's not like the center position in Shanys offense is important or anything. Over rated position.

When the philosophy is hands on balls you got laugh. .

Nope. Need a guy in the top 50 please. Who are you selecting?

All the Cs (even the top ones) are all projected to go in the 3rd and 4th round. He's obviously clueless

So arrogant. I didnt know we are in the presence of a draft guru with a crystal ball. Should we bend the knee.

If you pay attention to my comments they are not specific to the 2025 draft. I It's about the on going philosophy and the lack of resources on the OL. How we upgrade at center and other OL positions ....I dont really care just get better and stop ignoring it.

You said the team was waiting until day 3 expecting different results so I'm truly interested in what they can do right now, in this draft about the problem. The year is 2025 in case you get lost trying to answer.

I am not lost on the fact 2024 was a great year for OL.

When I say day 3 that means 7th round and UDFA when comes to how the 49ers draft OL. That is an exaggeration by the way.

51 pick is in the second round.

We get all that. We also know they missed the boat in 2024. It's 2025 now. You said they are trying to same thing expecting a different result. Given the situation in this draft class, what can they actually do? Are you going to supply a name of a center they can draft that would represent a deviation from previous strategies that have not worked?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Really great centers are hard to find. Good athletes usually are put at guard and if they're big enough at tackle. Sometimes the best centers are guards that get moved .

Hard to find and not a priority for most teams. Maybe because it is hard to find. People can name lots of great tackles and guards. Centers not as much. People don't even debate the G.O.A.T. at center the way you may see debates at tackle or guard occasionally. Philly's line is just something to behold for me. The idea that short yardage situations are almost a guarantee. That running backs get 2 yards before being touched and the league average is 1.1 yards. That 4th down is almost always on the table if you get to 3rd and 3. It's an incredible advantage to have. If Jalen Hurts gets what he gets out of that line, I can only imagine what Brock would do.

What's interesting is that with Foerster sharing the philosophy on prioritizing skill position over OL unless the guy is special, I wonder if they didn't see anything special last year. Also, what is defined as special? Like does it have to be Alex Mack or Nick Mangold caliber? It's some nasty, devastating DTs out there that have ruined postseasons for us, four times. I don't get how the team hasn't become obsessed with building a wall with IOL that are strong, high IQ guys.

I think they can definitely upgrade at LG (do not settle for anyone on the roster), then draft snother guard and do an open competition. Go for the jugular in 2026.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Dont worry. We will find our next center bagging groceries somewhere. I here Walmart has a good crop this year. Diamonds in the rough. It's not like the center position in Shanys offense is important or anything. Over rated position.

When the philosophy is hands on balls you got laugh. .

Nope. Need a guy in the top 50 please. Who are you selecting?

All the Cs (even the top ones) are all projected to go in the 3rd and 4th round. He's obviously clueless

So arrogant. I didnt know we are in the presence of a draft guru with a crystal ball. Should we bend the knee.

If you pay attention to my comments they are not specific to the 2025 draft. I It's about the on going philosophy and the lack of resources on the OL. How we upgrade at center and other OL positions ....I dont really care just get better and stop ignoring it.

You said the team was waiting until day 3 expecting different results so I'm truly interested in what they can do right now, in this draft about the problem. The year is 2025 in case you get lost trying to answer.

I am not lost on the fact 2024 was a great year for OL.

When I say day 3 that means 7th round and UDFA when comes to how the 49ers draft OL. That is an exaggeration by the way.

51 pick is in the second round.

We get all that. We also know they missed the boat in 2024. It's 2025 now. You said they are trying to same thing expecting a different result. Given the situation in this draft class, what can they actually do? Are you going to supply a name of a center they can draft that would represent a deviation from previous strategies that have not worked?

Let me be clear. Draft or FA....I dont care. Put some resources into the OL which includes Center. BTW, I never said let's draft a center day one. The comment was responding to how we resources the entire OL in the draft.