49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by rapid4:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Was the season a "lost cause" last year when Boone was out all camp, Davis wasn't even in the lineup and Kilgore was starting at C?

No, 8 & 8 was great!!

Actually 8-8 was terrific. Any other team that lost so many good players and all pros even Seattle couldn't even sniff 8 wins. Maybe 6 at best. So yes 8-8 was fantastic
Without
Willis for a while
Bowman all year
Aldon smith 9 games wait is that 3 all pros already
Brock
Kilgore
Anthony Davis
Dorsey and Ian Williams
Vd missed some games too and was injured most of the year

And considering the sd ariz chi and stl games were easy wins if just 1 or two more players were healthy from that list during the game, that's 12-4 and bye week and HOMEFIELD bc we would of had the tiebreaker. So again, 8-8 was excellent. And that's with no halftime adjustments and horrible game management and play calling.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by rapid4:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Was the season a "lost cause" last year when Boone was out all camp, Davis wasn't even in the lineup and Kilgore was starting at C?

No, 8 & 8 was great!!

Actually 8-8 was terrific. Any other team that lost so many good players and all pros even Seattle couldn't even sniff 8 wins. Maybe 6 at best. So yes 8-8 was fantastic
Without
Willis for a while
Bowman all year
Aldon smith 9 games wait is that 3 all pros already
Brock
Kilgore
Anthony Davis
Dorsey and Ian Williams
Vd missed some games too and was injured most of the year

And considering the sd ariz chi and stl games were easy wins if just 1 or two more players were healthy from that list during the game, that's 12-4 and bye week and HOMEFIELD bc we would of had the tiebreaker. So again, 8-8 was excellent. And that's with no halftime adjustments and horrible game management and play calling.

Pretty much spot on. Again, if you list out the 19 players who ended the year on I.R. + McDonald (quality AND quantity) at the beginning of the season and ask fans how many wins we'd have, I'd guessing most would be in the 4-6 win category. One 'correct' call here or there...one aggressive killer instinct there...ANY halftime adjustments that equated to more than a 4 point average in second halfs and 0 TD's in the 4Q by our starting QB and we're an easy playoff team even in the NFC West.

And guys like Gore, Justin, Culliver (first year back from an ACL + concussion), Willis, Davis, etc. even when they WHERE on the field, weren't exactly playing at an all-pro level. Culliver probably had the best year of the departed and he parlayed that into a monster contract and didn't exactly play balls-out after that concussion.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by rapid4:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Was the season a "lost cause" last year when Boone was out all camp, Davis wasn't even in the lineup and Kilgore was starting at C?

No, 8 & 8 was great!!

Actually 8-8 was terrific. Any other team that lost so many good players and all pros even Seattle couldn't even sniff 8 wins. Maybe 6 at best. So yes 8-8 was fantastic
Without
Willis for a while
Bowman all year
Aldon smith 9 games wait is that 3 all pros already
Brock
Kilgore
Anthony Davis
Dorsey and Ian Williams
Vd missed some games too and was injured most of the year

And considering the sd ariz chi and stl games were easy wins if just 1 or two more players were healthy from that list during the game, that's 12-4 and bye week and HOMEFIELD bc we would of had the tiebreaker. So again, 8-8 was excellent. And that's with no halftime adjustments and horrible game management and play calling.

All true, plus four centers through the year.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by rapid4:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Was the season a "lost cause" last year when Boone was out all camp, Davis wasn't even in the lineup and Kilgore was starting at C?

No, 8 & 8 was great!!

Actually 8-8 was terrific. Any other team that lost so many good players and all pros even Seattle couldn't even sniff 8 wins. Maybe 6 at best. So yes 8-8 was fantastic
Without
Willis for a while
Bowman all year
Aldon smith 9 games wait is that 3 all pros already
Brock
Kilgore
Anthony Davis
Dorsey and Ian Williams
Vd missed some games too and was injured most of the year

And considering the sd ariz chi and stl games were easy wins if just 1 or two more players were healthy from that list during the game, that's 12-4 and bye week and HOMEFIELD bc we would of had the tiebreaker. So again, 8-8 was excellent. And that's with no halftime adjustments and horrible game management and play calling.

8-8 was a miricle in the nfc west.

Yup, was still better than the perrenial 7-9 rams hahahaha.

Originally posted by elguapo:
Yup, was still better than the perrenial 7-9 rams hahahaha.

I still dont undestand how they are a media sweetheart. What, its been like 4 years of them saying they will be next great thing?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by rapid4:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Was the season a "lost cause" last year when Boone was out all camp, Davis wasn't even in the lineup and Kilgore was starting at C?

No, 8 & 8 was great!!

Actually 8-8 was terrific. Any other team that lost so many good players and all pros even Seattle couldn't even sniff 8 wins. Maybe 6 at best. So yes 8-8 was fantastic
Without
Willis for a while
Bowman all year
Aldon smith 9 games wait is that 3 all pros already
Brock
Kilgore
Anthony Davis
Dorsey and Ian Williams
Vd missed some games too and was injured most of the year

And considering the sd ariz chi and stl games were easy wins if just 1 or two more players were healthy from that list during the game, that's 12-4 and bye week and HOMEFIELD bc we would of had the tiebreaker. So again, 8-8 was excellent. And that's with no halftime adjustments and horrible game management and play calling.

All true, plus four centers through the year.

This.

Iit's still painful.

What do you guys think? If we were to sign Mathis, that's expensive...if we move Boone to T, that would become expensive as well. So is the upgrade significant for return on investment or would you rather work with what we've got?


Pro Bowl guards aren't usually just hanging out, waiting for an offer to play.

Yet that's the case right now with Evan Mathis, a two-time Pro Bowler who was released this offseason by the Philadelphia Eagles in a cost-cutting move. Mathis,a 10-year veteran who's 33 years old, is a 6-foot-5, 304-pounder out of Alabama who's been an NFL starter since he was drafted in the third round by Carolina in 2005.

Now, Mathis – who's just been selected to consecutive Pro Bowls – is just waiting for a call.

The 49ers, apparently, are one of the teams with his phone number and an interest.

According to John Clayton of ESPN.com, the Niners, Dolphins, Chiefs and Colts have discussed making an offer to Mathis. San Francisco is under its salary cap number for 2015, so could be in position to make a move if it decides it's necessary.

Certainly, the 49ers' offensive line is a bit in doubt after the departures of starting guard Mike Iupati and starting right tackle Anthony Davis in recent months. One scenario could include sliding right guard Alex Boone to right tackle and bringing in Mathis to play guard.

This week, Mathis told CBS Sports Radio that he expects negotiations with teams to "ramp up" soon.

"Exactly what my options are aren't as clear as they will be in a week or two," he said. But, he added tht he's being patient. Training camps haven't yet opened, so he isn't worried.

"I haven't missed anything," he said. "There's no rush at all."

As David Fucillo of SB Nation noted this week, Mathis could be a good fit for a short-term deal to solidify the lineup and also bring a skillset that fits San Francisco. Mathis has been good in Philadelphia's zone-blocking scheme, and the 49ers this season are expected to incorporate more zone blocking into their playbook.

How good is Mathis? The analytic website Pro Football Focus graded Mathis as the No. 1 guard in the NFL over the past two seasons.

Pro Football Focus' Sam Monson told Sports Illustrated's Doug Farrar in June that Mathis "Is consistently one of the best performers in the game in the trenches and, despite his age, is showing no signs of slowing down."

The 49ers, however, could decide to stand pat with the talent they have, especially if Mathis' price tag proves too high. Young players such as Brandon Thomas and Marcus Martin (if he loses the battle at center) could be plugged in at the guard spots with Boone moving out to tackle. Or Boone could remain at right guard with veteran Erik Pears or rookie Trent Brown – who looked promising this offseason – moving in to the spot at right tackle.


http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Niners-Considering-Offer-to-Pro-Bowl-Guard-Evan-Mathis-315835231.html

I'd see if we can sign him to a 1 year deal. We have the cap room now and moving Boone isn't going to cost any more money. I think he's gone after this year anyways.

Makes sense to me but I don't think Mathis would want a 1 year deal.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'd see if we can sign him to a 1 year deal. We have the cap room now and moving Boone isn't going to cost any more money. I think he's gone after this year anyways.

Makes sense to me but I don't think Mathis would want a 1 year deal.

No way he's getting a 1 year deal...I just don't see it happening Baalke doesn't like to pay top cash for a guard.

I'd rather pay Boone to be honest...that said I'd be happy to see a real good vet come over to the Bay area.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
I'd see if we can sign him to a 1 year deal. We have the cap room now and moving Boone isn't going to cost any more money. I think he's gone after this year anyways.

Makes sense to me but I don't think Mathis would want a 1 year deal.

No way he's getting a 1 year deal...I just don't see it happening Baalke doesn't like to pay top cash for a guard.

I'd rather pay Boone to be honest...that said I'd be happy to see a real good vet come over to the Bay area.

It's a tricky one...you sign him to a 3-year deal, you secure the top rated ZBS guard and at the same time, get stronger by moving Boone out to T where he is happiest and then have to pay him at T $ next year. You could conceivably get much much stronger talent wise esp. b/c it pushes players like Pears and Martin to depth/backup roles but is the cost worth it...we have the money, no doubt. But do you want to develop young players too at significantly cheaper deals with more risk? And you could lose Boone next year for big T money.

I hope we do sign mathis and move anybody to tackle to compete with pears. What are the odds boone's dumb ass holds out again if he is moved to tackle for above average tackle money? I might have to kidnap him if he does.

I'm not sure boone is the answer at tackle anyway. The reason he was moved to guard was because he wasn't projected well to play tackle in the first place. But anything and I mean anything is better than pears at the tackle position.

So if Boone isn't really a heads and tails upgrade over pears at tackle, I can understand why the hesitation to sign mathis as a temporary solution.

I don't know why but I find the following hilarious: Mathis signed and starts opposite of thomas. Both guards are doing great. Boone moved to tackle and starts the season there only to lose his spot by week four to pears. Karma would be a female dog in this situation.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
This.

Iit's still painful.

we were worse than the 8-8 record indicates in my opinion. 8-8 says average to maybe slightly above average,, that was not our team under that regime

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:
What do you guys think? If we were to sign Mathis, that's expensive...if we move Boone to T, that would become expensive as well. So is the upgrade significant for return on investment or would you rather work with what we've got?


Pro Bowl guards aren't usually just hanging out, waiting for an offer to play.

Yet that's the case right now with Evan Mathis, a two-time Pro Bowler who was released this offseason by the Philadelphia Eagles in a cost-cutting move. Mathis,a 10-year veteran who's 33 years old, is a 6-foot-5, 304-pounder out of Alabama who's been an NFL starter since he was drafted in the third round by Carolina in 2005.

Now, Mathis – who's just been selected to consecutive Pro Bowls – is just waiting for a call.

The 49ers, apparently, are one of the teams with his phone number and an interest.

According to John Clayton of ESPN.com, the Niners, Dolphins, Chiefs and Colts have discussed making an offer to Mathis. San Francisco is under its salary cap number for 2015, so could be in position to make a move if it decides it's necessary.

Certainly, the 49ers' offensive line is a bit in doubt after the departures of starting guard Mike Iupati and starting right tackle Anthony Davis in recent months. One scenario could include sliding right guard Alex Boone to right tackle and bringing in Mathis to play guard.

This week, Mathis told CBS Sports Radio that he expects negotiations with teams to "ramp up" soon.

"Exactly what my options are aren't as clear as they will be in a week or two," he said. But, he added tht he's being patient. Training camps haven't yet opened, so he isn't worried.

"I haven't missed anything," he said. "There's no rush at all."

As David Fucillo of SB Nation noted this week, Mathis could be a good fit for a short-term deal to solidify the lineup and also bring a skillset that fits San Francisco. Mathis has been good in Philadelphia's zone-blocking scheme, and the 49ers this season are expected to incorporate more zone blocking into their playbook.

How good is Mathis? The analytic website Pro Football Focus graded Mathis as the No. 1 guard in the NFL over the past two seasons.

Pro Football Focus' Sam Monson told Sports Illustrated's Doug Farrar in June that Mathis "Is consistently one of the best performers in the game in the trenches and, despite his age, is showing no signs of slowing down."

The 49ers, however, could decide to stand pat with the talent they have, especially if Mathis' price tag proves too high. Young players such as Brandon Thomas and Marcus Martin (if he loses the battle at center) could be plugged in at the guard spots with Boone moving out to tackle. Or Boone could remain at right guard with veteran Erik Pears or rookie Trent Brown – who looked promising this offseason – moving in to the spot at right tackle.


http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/sports/Niners-Considering-Offer-to-Pro-Bowl-Guard-Evan-Mathis-315835231.html

I read the article and I think it's a lot of projections and speculation about whether were even considering offering Mathis a deal. What I do think is the reason why no team has signed him as of yet is because he's asking for too much. Even he states it himself that the market should start to ramp up very soon., Which sounds like agent speak to me. I think as you stated sign him to a three-year deal with incentives, but that would absolutely mean a pay cut from what he was considering with the Eagles and reportedly the Eagles were not going to pay him what he wanted. I simply can't see the Niners paying an aging guard top dollar.

Its most definitely a tough situation, I want mathis. But 3 years to a 34 year old guard with injury issues... He would make us a lot better, but boone becomes far too expensive at that point. I have a feeling niners are going oline in the first round next year the way it looks.

No thanks on Mathis. We never pay big money for gaurds, so why start now; especially when you consider he is 33 and not likely in the long term plans? Build on what we have and dont give in, otherwise, what is the message we are sending? I dont want to spend just because we have it, at least not at the guard position.