Offseason Film analysis thread - Passing concepts

Another version of speedo from 1994 where the TE acts as the underneath crosser.

^^ Nice find. I'll change the way I call that play from "variation of Sail" to Speedo. Sail is when both the underneath routes come from the same side of the formation.

Here is BAL running Speedo and how Torrey can help clear room for the Speedo route to work.

Here is the series of plays I think most people think of when they think WCO.



Good ole, slant package.

Smash variations from the dynasty days.


The above is from 1985


The 1994 flavor

^^ I like how Double Smash looks just like the Drive concept, then they both break the other way. Outwards instead of inwards like Drive.

Originally posted by thl408:

^^ I like how Double Smash looks just like the Drive concept, then they both break the other way. Outwards instead of inwards like Drive.

Agreed...Drive was the money concept and this plays off of it perfectly.

I like the formation that was used in 1994 for that particular play. It has Brent jones flexed out, Ricky in the slot and Floyd as the back. The 1994 offense was a pure gem, I am so glad I was able to witness it.

1982 version of "speedo"

We where talking about getting the backs involved in the passing game. Here is the 1982 Bill Walsh route tree for backs. Pretty cool.

Johnnydel and thl408 should be getting paid by the webzone. Consistent and meaningful content (no offense to the mock drafters). Agree with the conclusion on the slide concept needing to be more "core". I went to Nevada with Kap and watched him win a lot, but never had confidence in his accuracy or defensive reads at game speed. I was concerned by the OP and first few breakdowns, but with the right coaches I am confident Kap can make these reads more automatic/second nature. He has the intangibles. These are the tangibles and the spring in AZ should help.

man, this thread just makes me sad about our qb...

I'm not going to pretend I understand this language. My concepts understanding is about as deep as a Madden playbook. That being said, the most effective offensive method in that game are using audibles to beat the pre snap defensive coverage shown. How has Kaep been in pre snap reads? He incurred plenty of delay of games to indicate he was trying to make these adjustments. And is it just me, or are Kaep's cadence and hard counts really predictable?

This is EXACTLY why I love this forum. Man, so many people dropping great knowledge on the daily. Keep it up fellas, I have my eyes glued on this thread.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Here is more variations of hammer from the 1994 pass install. It just looks nasty regardless of formation.

Go to the 4:36ish mark of the 1992 SF-Buf game to see "Hammer" in action.

Originally posted by theninermaniac:
I'm not going to pretend I understand this language. My concepts understanding is about as deep as a Madden playbook. That being said, the most effective offensive method in that game are using audibles to beat the pre snap defensive coverage shown. How has Kaep been in pre snap reads? He incurred plenty of delay of games to indicate he was trying to make these adjustments. And is it just me, or are Kaep's cadence and hard counts really predictable?

He's been ok - good. His biggest problem isn't as much in the pre-snap read, it's more how to get the ball to the open receiver after the ball's snapped. There are times when he makes the right throw, but, either his footwork timing is off or he's staring his receiver down because he knows it's the right throw against the coverage so the defense collapses quicker.

As odd as it sounds, understanding the language we're talking about will help you in those madden playbooks - especially this years'. A lot of times, in Madden, they just call the play by it's concept, "niner smash". So, if you understand the smash concept, you'll know to key in on the corner for the smash concept if you see zone and look for the corner route vs man.

Just a tip for you for your madden playing with the 49ers. A great play is out of the shotgun doubles -on. HB Circle. It gives you a "smash" concept on the left side of the field - use this as your primary read if you see 2 deep safeties(unless the corners are playing a soft 2 zone with a 3 yard cushion - then look to the circle route for sure) or misaligned LB's - you'll want to hit the "circle" route if you see man - but, your bigger gain will be on the corner route. If you see a single safety - or, if you see that safety on the TE side down in the box, look first for Boldin on his mid-out. At the snap, look to see if any defenders drop into the hook/curl zone, if they do, immediately move to throw to Gore on the circle route -he'll be open as Davis has cleared out the zone.

^ One of my fav plays to run in Madden.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

He's been ok - good. His biggest problem isn't as much in the pre-snap read, it's more how to get the ball to the open receiver after the ball's snapped. There are times when he makes the right throw, but, either his footwork timing is off or he's staring his receiver down because he knows it's the right throw against the coverage so the defense collapses quicker.

As odd as it sounds, understanding the language we're talking about will help you in those madden playbooks - especially this years'. A lot of times, in Madden, they just call the play by it's concept, "niner smash". So, if you understand the smash concept, you'll know to key in on the corner for the smash concept if you see zone and look for the corner route vs man.

Just a tip for you for your madden playing with the 49ers. A great play is out of the shotgun doubles -on. HB Circle. It gives you a "smash" concept on the left side of the field - use this as your primary read if you see 2 deep safeties(unless the corners are playing a soft 2 zone with a 3 yard cushion - then look to the circle route for sure) or misaligned LB's - you'll want to hit the "circle" route if you see man - but, your bigger gain will be on the corner route. If you see a single safety - or, if you see that safety on the TE side down in the box, look first for Boldin on his mid-out. At the snap, look to see if any defenders drop into the hook/curl zone, if they do, immediately move to throw to Gore on the circle route -he'll be open as Davis has cleared out the zone.

^ One of my fav plays to run in Madden.

Speaking of madden, how nice was this year on the ps4/xbox1 that it lets you call your plays by concepts. I love it as it give you alittle more formation variety, because it groups all your "drive" concepts together. this allows you to really call a game like the classic niners and run the core WCO concepts out of multiple formations.

On the play you described, I forgot in double On form is the HB strong or weak side. Because I know there a gun play that give you the back on the strong side and it basically combines a smash with the twin WRs and a Texas concept with the TE and HB. That play is stealing.

Edit: I had to pop it in to look, it is the same play. HB circle gives you 11 personnel, with twins on one side and the back on the strong side. Twins run smash, back & TE run a Texas concept. Great, great play