Colin Kaepernick Thread

What's it going to take to get him benched? We know we will lose any game he is starting.

Originally posted by 951NINER:

The offensive line is crap but please stop using it as an excuse. It's the most over used excuse for any struggling qb. There are so many throws where Kap just misses with a clean pocket

Yes he's to the point now that even during those 5 or so pass plays that there's a clean pocket, he's still in panic mode. The guys mentally checked out. What people are saying is the QB you see today is a product of playing behind the worst Oline in the NFL last year, and coming back to again play behind the worst Oline in the NFL (worst ever according to schlereth).

Originally posted by socalniner:
What's it going to take to get him benched? We know we will lose any game he is starting.

When the players go on strike. LOL.

Why bench him?

Playing him every down is our best chance at the #1 pick.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He has the IQ

I disagree. If anything, he's consistently showing a troubling lack of awareness, from the playclock to situational football and when to get out of bounds, when to throw the football away, consistently misses wide open receivers because he gets so fixated on his intended target, still stares down receivers and keeps making throws with really bad form. He should have been picked off for a touchdown again yesterday except Robert Quinn batted the pass down. It was the same exact sort of delayed pass like he got picked off on multiple times vs the Cards where he see's his target, hesitates and then throws, giving the DB a chance to get a great jump on the ball.

He keeps making the same mistakes again and again and I'd like to think he's learning from them but he has a tendency to panic even when there is no reason to and when he panics, he tends to do really dumb stuff, his form completely goes out the window, he throws off his back foot, he either throws right into coverage or he'll chuck the ball 20 yards out of bounds, often times he'll run right into a pass rush as teams bait him to take off and then crush him.


His tendencies are well known by opposing defensive coordinators and are being exploited game in and game out because he has done nothing to improve upon them.



I don't think he has the quarterback IQ or the awareness, I think he's a phenomenal athlete with outstanding physical talent but is lacking the minutiae that defines great QB's across the league. He doesn't see the field the way you'd expect a 5th year QB to see the field and he seems to try to play more by guts and instinct than trying to understand what the defense is doing.


I've been waiting for that light switch to flip with him for awhile and I think its gotten to the point where you just have to accept that the switch isn't going to flip because the switch was never there to begin with.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Great piece from Tim K, truth bomb!! Even Bow can't lie about how sh*t the offense is and specifically Krapnpick.

The biggest issue with 9ers' current problem lies in the fact all the bad decisions behind what is going wrong now are all interlocked. You almost just don't know where to begin to fix it.

http://www.mercurynews.com/tim-kawakami/ci_29056711/kawakami-picking-over-49ers-totality-wreckage

Bowman didn't say anything about Kaep in that article. Kawakami didn't mention the oline ONE time and we all know it's THE biggest issue. This is why you can't post his s**t, there's too much slant and animosity towards the team. He did say some things that are true but his opinion gets zero burn because of his history.

TK hasn't been off base once this year. He has been solid IMO. A lot of fans have disliked him because of his aggressive style, and obviously he does tend to put out more "negative" stuff. Its nice to have balance, a lot of kiss ass reporters also to turn to. Turns out, he was probably correct with a lot of the stuff he has reported in the past. Regarding his history, can you provide us w/ specific examples where he has been totally off base?

If anyone fan or player isn't frustrated w/ the worst offense in the NFL and Kap, I don't know what is wrong w/ them. This has been a f'n joke.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by All22:
+1 on the first paragraph. Even Russell Wilson is barely surviving behind his horrible offensive line. And when Seattle's defense doesn't show up they're not even a playoff team.

My biggest problem with that play was that the coaches didn't see that and adjust. It was obvious that the Rams were selling out for the run and the coaches still called 3 straight runs. Of course the result of each one was predictable.

This goes without saying but Kaep is the flavor du jour. Russ has a much more lucrative contract and he's got 9TD 6INTs and the Seahawks are 4-4..should probably be 2-6. The line and running game is a huge factor in how a QB plays. Kaep is trash, he sucks, OK I got that. That's fine. But Rodgers against a good D last night looked terrible. He was getting rushed consistently and put up 77 yards.

Ok, that was a wet the bed game for Rodgers, in the last 3 seasons (2013-2015) he now has ONE (not counting a game where he only had two attempts because of injury) game where he had less than 120 net yards passing. In the same period Kaepernick had TEN such games. Every QB pees their pants once in a while, Kaepernick does it with regularity. Even when his stats were respectable they were fraudulent. The season totals were based on lighting up bad defenses and getting completely shut down by good ones. This year he has played 5 defenses in the top half and averages 113.8 net yards passing. Against the 3 bottom half defenses he averages 293.3. That is a 179.5 yard variation. Without doing research I say that is unmatched.

Lol

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
He has the IQ

I disagree. If anything, he's consistently showing a troubling lack of awareness, from the playclock to situational football and when to get out of bounds, when to throw the football away, consistently misses wide open receivers because he gets so fixated on his intended target, still stares down receivers and keeps making throws with really bad form. He should have been picked off for a touchdown again yesterday except Robert Quinn batted the pass down. It was the same exact sort of delayed pass like he got picked off on multiple times vs the Cards where he see's his target, hesitates and then throws, giving the DB a chance to get a great jump on the ball.

He keeps making the same mistakes again and again and I'd like to think he's learning from them but he has a tendency to panic even when there is no reason to and when he panics, he tends to do really dumb stuff, his form completely goes out the window, he throws off his back foot, he either throws right into coverage or he'll chuck the ball 20 yards out of bounds, often times he'll run right into a pass rush as teams bait him to take off and then crush him.


His tendencies are well known by opposing defensive coordinators and are being exploited game in and game out because he has done nothing to improve upon them.



I don't think he has the quarterback IQ or the awareness, I think he's a phenomenal athlete with outstanding physical talent but is lacking the minutiae that defines great QB's across the league. He doesn't see the field the way you'd expect a 5th year QB to see the field and he seems to try to play more by guts and instinct than trying to understand what the defense is doing. 4


I've been waiting for that light switch to flip with him for awhile and I think its gotten to the point where you just have to accept that the switch isn't going to flip because the switch was never there to begin with.

So he was playing like he is now in 2012/2013 ?

not even close, he made changes at the line..done almost what all great QBs can do.

He's shell shocked and has no one under him thats making him fight for his job

How does a QB go from leading a comeback in the playoffs at Atlanta just two years ago to the guy that doesn't even see that his WR is uncovered at the line of scrimmage? What has happened here? Kap is not unintelligent. His wonderlick score testifies to that. My guess is that the psychology of the coaching staff and management has confounded the guy into paralysis. What sort of instructions is he being given? What philosophy is being used by management and the coaching staff? " Colin, do what we tell you to do. It's the right thing to do, regardless." Are there false promises being made here? The kid was ballin and now he cant even accomplish the most basic acts on the field. His talent didn't just disappear one night never to return. Something happened. Something that isn't being discussed. Somebody did or said something to him and he's following that to his own determent. Something stinks here and it's a lot more than the current QB...

Originally posted by eastie:
How does a QB go from leading a comeback in the playoffs at Atlanta just two years ago to the guy that doesn't even see that his WR is uncovered at the line of scrimmage? What has happened here? Kap is not unintelligent. His wonderlick score testifies to that. My guess is that the psychology of the coaching staff and management has confounded the guy into paralysis. What sort of instructions is he being given? What philosophy is being used by management and the coaching staff? " Colin, do what we tell you to do. It's the right thing to do, regardless." Are there false promises being made here? The kid was ballin and now he cant even accomplish the most basic acts on the field. His talent didn't just disappear one night never to return. Something happened. Something that isn't being discussed. Somebody did or said something to him and he's following that to his own determent. Something stinks here and it's a lot more than the current QB...

So what's the solution, feel bad for Kap and keep trotting him out there? Bring him back at $18 million next year if he plays the way he is? Feel bad for him more and figure out why he is "shell shocked." Is it wrong to hope that he can figure some of the obvious s**t out? Yeah, he has a joke of a coaching staff and o line but we all see him miss basic stuff even when he has time. Also, if his psyche is that soft that is a HUGE negative attribute for an NFL player

I don't think people are asking him to do too much. Just be functional.

Kap should know that we had a great 49ers defense was beast at 2011 to 2013. They carried to kap for wins games. If we had suck our defense that kap cant wins games. Or if we had suck our defense then kap can wins games. We would like him stay with us next year. Kap is still nothing his offense score and very aweful his leader..

I knew it. I told you too early before. I am all correct. Next time and listen me and trust me bro..

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Re-watching the last half of yesterdays game, I wouldn't say the O-line is the biggest issue. I'd say the biggest issue is Kap, he's missed on both passing and reading a defense, it's like he either doesn't wanna play for this team anymore or trying to get Tomsula and Chryst fired. I bet you if you change the QB the mentality of the offense will change too. Right now Kap doesn't look to be playing with any awareness, no poise, no urgency he just looks flat out sad and I don't just mean s**tty sad I mean sad like he misses someones Harbaugh for instance.

Oh and Btw re:artice:

But Tomsula isn't qualified to make that call, offensive coordinator Geep Chryst certainly hasn't made things any easier, and why would anybody think Gabbert could do any better with that coach, that offensive coordinator and the woeful offensive line Baalke put together?

Kawakami drives me crazy, and he writes many articles that are just silly, but he's a smart guy. He use to be my favorite writer before he gained enough notoriety to slough off hard work and accuracy.

I don't think you can separate bad OLs from QBs even when the OL plays well. They have to be consistent enough to gain the QBs confidence...and vice versa...which just hasn't happened this year. They get in a groove and it all looks good for a while and then they start making dumb mistakes or allowing rushers through untouched. The opening drive looked really good, but then they decided to let their starting RB to return punts. OK...that's just a dumb decision. Or was Davis the starting RB...or Gaskins?

Weird decisions are being made and I have no idea who is responsible because they are keeping their mouths shut...which I like!

I wish the team's offense didn't look like they gave up but as the D is gelling the O is having the wheels fall off.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So he was playing like he is now in 2012/2013 ?

not even close, he made changes at the line..done almost what all great QBs can do.

He's shell shocked and has no one under him thats making him fight for his job

In 2012 defenses hadn't mapped out his tendencies and weaknesses. We saw it begin in 2013 and as teams have taken away what he likes to do most, he's had to expand his skillset and become a more complete quarterback, he has been unable to do that whatsoever. He just doesn't have it, its not about his arm or his physical abilities, its about what is going on upstairs.


If you watch Derek Carr or Teddy Bridgewater, even if their stats aren't spectacular on a given day, you see more awareness and QB IQ than we've seen from Kaepernick in his entire career thus far. Bridgewater may not be anything great but he has a keen understanding of situational football, he doesn't take a lot of unnecessary sacks, he is consistent in moving through his progressions, he shows awareness based on the playclock and what particular situation the team is in, he adjusts what he's doing based on the looks that he sees from the defense, just a more complete quarterback, even if he lacks the physical talent of Kaepernick.


I've been a supporter of his for a long time but he's not coming around and a million excuses for why he's struggling isn't going to change the fact that he doesn't consistently look like an NFL quarterback. He plays great sporadically, at times makes plays that no other QB in the NFL can make but his limitations are what they are and defenses will forever be keying on them because his physical abilities can't mask his inefficiencies when it comes to reading defenses and consistently understanding where he needs to go with the football.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by harryj:
i disagree
at some point its the student and not the teacher

I can go to the best teacher in the world and still not be able to pick things up when under fire

i mean how many times can you tell someone to go through progressions or teach someone that

You're right. Kaep shoulders some blame but he's taking ALL blame here. Kaep is not a traditional QB. He isn't going to work in just any system. He needs a system and a coach that will work to his strengths. Why on earth did Jed decide to go and get a defensive minded coach and then give him an OC with 0 experience? A QB coach who isn't highly regarded? On top of that he give the worst ranked offensive line in the league. Pears and Devey are graded at the bottom. Martin is bad as well. Then I'm not sure if it was management or not but why has Kaep changed his throwing motion. The guy is trying to relearn how to play a certain way that isn't natural to him not to mention change his throwing motion while running for his life. So yea, he takes some blame but the team did a textbook job on how to ruin a QB. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

We still have a bad, bad coaching staff and gameplan. Even when Tebow played as limited as he ways they changed the entire offensive scheme to suit his strengths. Vick filled in for Big Ben and they had him rolling out. Intelligent coaching staffs play to their QB's strengths. Regardless of how bad you think Kaep is, the coaching staff should still be able to squeeze more poduction out of him.

If Barry Switzer is still mentally sharp in his late 70's let's bring him in and run the wishbone. Get their HC and OC and let's go for it. Might work for a while if your opponent's coaches are less than 60 or aren't 50 and a lifetime football fan, they may have never seen it.