Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by eastie:
I have no idea what the solution is. I just wonder how a young man that is playing a game that he loves to play, all of a sudden can't play the game.

Because teams have taken away what he loves to do and thus are forcing him to do what he's not very good at. It should be a clue that 5 years in, coaches are still talking about "simplifying" the offense for Kaepernick. Those words should never come up in a conversation about a QB that is in his 5th season now.

This. Everyone has tried to be a shrink in regards to Kap's psyche for a while. Its time to lay it on Kap. When you're getting paid big money to start in the NFL you've got to be mentally strong. And it is embarrassing that everyone keeps referring to simplifying and making the offense extremely remedial when we have a veteran QB.

I mean s**t, if we start our drive inside our own 15 we are scared to throw a pass. Yeah, our coaches are conservative but can you blame them for being scared to throw that close to the end zone? This is a disgrace to offense.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I mean, this could've been a game changer. Instead, we wind up letting the game get completely flipped in favor of St. Louis. Phoenix is right. Kaepernick keeps making the same mistakes again and again and again and again.

At this point, to me, Kaepernick has become what Matt Schaub became and he may never going to regain his previous form.

I don't know if he does or doesn't...but THIS ship isn't right in the first place...we don't need Kap making things even worse. Maybe a little time on the sidelines will help. I know one thing: It can't hurt.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by cris_sonic:

#7tormcoming!

This is QB IQ defined....or a lack of it. You have a receiver completely uncovered, you quickly call a basic pass protection, snap the ball, toss it to your receiver and let him go off to the races.

people have been calling out Kap for almost 2 years about his lack of football IQ and his terrible play recognition, but always get called haters. I'm just glad that FINALLY it can't be disregarded anymore.

I'm not saying Kap is the worst QB in the league, but the guy just doesn't have the mental ability to be a franchise QB and doesn't posses the in game leadership that's needed to take a team to a championship.

I don't even know now how he fooled the league as long as he did. He HAD to be protected by the coaching staff during that time period, because there's no other way to explain it.

I mean for that short time, everyone in the football world has him pegged as a once in a lifetime QB and now the guy can even put on his shoes without help.

So disappointing and sad to think how far he's fallen.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I mean, this could've been a game changer. Instead, we wind up letting the game get completely flipped in favor of St. Louis. Phoenix is right. Kaepernick keeps making the same mistakes again and again and again and again.

At this point, to me, Kaepernick has become what Matt Schaub became and he may never going to regain his previous form.

I don't know if he does or doesn't...but THIS ship isn't right in the first place...we don't need Kap making things even worse. Maybe a little time on the sidelines will help. I know one thing: It can't hurt.

yeah he needs a kick in the arse , bench him

Get rid of him. Send him to NY

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I mean, this could've been a game changer. Instead, we wind up letting the game get completely flipped in favor of St. Louis. Phoenix is right. Kaepernick keeps making the same mistakes again and again and again and again.

At this point, to me, Kaepernick has become what Matt Schaub became and he may never going to regain his previous form.

I don't know if he does or doesn't...but THIS ship isn't right in the first place...we don't need Kap making things even worse. Maybe a little time on the sidelines will help. I know one thing: It can't hurt.

yeah he needs a kick in the arse , bench him

FML...I'm in agreement with 49.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by eastie:
How does a QB go from leading a comeback in the playoffs at Atlanta just two years ago to the guy that doesn't even see that his WR is uncovered at the line of scrimmage? What has happened here? Kap is not unintelligent. His wonderlick score testifies to that.

Ryan Fitzpatrick also had a high Wonderlic score. Dan Marino had a low one. We're not discussing regular intelligence or book smarts here, its about QB IQ, the intelligence of knowing what to do in the moment, understanding what the defense is doing, being able to attack their weakpoints, adjusting to a defense as the game goes on, consistently throwing the ball with touch and accuracy to just the right spot so that your receivers can pick up maximum yardage. Knowing when to run for it, knowing when to throw the ball away, being aware of how much time is left on the gameclock and the playclock...etc.

Kaepernick might be a really bright guy in general but in terms of quarterbacking, his IQ is mediocre at best. He came out like gangbusters and took the league by storm, the difference is that the NFL adjusted to him, they have largely taken away what he likes to do and teams are forcing him to make quick reads and be decisive on where he goes with the football, forcing him to throw accurately and he's showing that he isn't capable of it.

That sounds real neat and simple, but I'm not buying it. There is much more to this than , he's not capable and the league has caught up with him. He was playing much smarter and much more aggressively a couple of years ago. He was throwing the ball into tight windows, where now he's like Alex was later in his time here, won't even attempt it. He's also not seeing things that he was seeing before.

Okay, so you're saying he is probably too mentally soft? Its between the ears? Man, that sounds complicated. Probably need a phd to figure all this nonsense out. You want someone that mentally fragile as your starting QB?

Either way, he needs to shoulder most of the responsibility. Again, not asking to make miracles because we know that the o line and coaches are a joke but be f'n functional. Hit the easy stuff man.

Originally posted by eastie:
How does a QB go from leading a comeback in the playoffs at Atlanta just two years ago to the guy that doesn't even see that his WR is uncovered at the line of scrimmage? What has happened here? Kap is not unintelligent. His wonderlick score testifies to that. My guess is that the psychology of the coaching staff and management has confounded the guy into paralysis. What sort of instructions is he being given? What philosophy is being used by management and the coaching staff? " Colin, do what we tell you to do. It's the right thing to do, regardless." Are there false promises being made here? The kid was ballin and now he cant even accomplish the most basic acts on the field. His talent didn't just disappear one night never to return. Something happened. Something that isn't being discussed. Somebody did or said something to him and he's following that to his own determent. Something stinks here and it's a lot more than the current QB...

Confidence. A QB consistently running for his life will eventually start to not trust his line and start to see pressure that isn't there. He'll stop focussing his eyes downfield and stop seeing open players. A QB does not just stop making tight window throws and back shoulder throws like Kaep used to to not even wanting to throw the ball. While his biggest detractors will say "he got figured out" it has nothing to do with that and all to do with confidence on his part and a whole bunch of other things on the team.

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I mean, this could've been a game changer. Instead, we wind up letting the game get completely flipped in favor of St. Louis. Phoenix is right. Kaepernick keeps making the same mistakes again and again and again and again.

At this point, to me, Kaepernick has become what Matt Schaub became and he may never going to regain his previous form.

I don't know if he does or doesn't...but THIS ship isn't right in the first place...we don't need Kap making things even worse. Maybe a little time on the sidelines will help. I know one thing: It can't hurt.

yeah he needs a kick in the arse , bench him

FML...I'm in agreement with 49.

Originally posted by sacniner:


Either way, he needs to shoulder most of the responsibility. Again, not asking to make miracles because we know that the o line and coaches are a joke but be f'n functional. Hit the easy stuff man.

Seems like you are if he's supposed to shoulder most of the responsibility for a crappy line, running game and coaching staff. We want the OC, DC, HC fired. We want the Oline replaced. We want a change at RB, change at TE, change in ownership, yet the QB should take most of the responsibility? How? He takes a part of it but most? We can all acknowledge all of the massive problems around him but wonder why he's playing like crud?

Originally posted by eastie:
That sounds real neat and simple, but I'm not buying it. There is much more to this than , he's not capable and the league has caught up with him. He was playing much smarter and much more aggressively a couple of years ago. He was throwing the ball into tight windows, where now he's like Alex was later in his time here, won't even attempt it. He's also not seeing things that he was seeing before.

Because its the truth. You're trying to make it sound super complicated and it isn't. He's not the first guy in NFL history to play awesome when teams don't have tape on him or a guy with outstanding physical talent that allows him to dominate occasionally. He just doesn't have the aptitude to do it consistently. He's like a Michael Vick or a Jay Cutler, outstanding physical talent, lack of QB IQ and awareness. Nobody gets shocked when Jay Cutler throws for 350 yards and 3 TD's because they know that the next week he'll likely get intercepted 3 or 4 times. Its who he is, you get the ups and the downs and that will never change. The same goes for Kaepernick. He'll have an awesome game where he lights it up and everyone is like:











And then he goes and bombs against the Cards and everyone is like:











It is fool's gold. In the NFL if a QB lacks the awareness and IQ for the position, then they can never be consistent. It doesn't have to be anymore complicated than that, he's just very limited as a quarterback. I can see him going somewhere else with the right system and having a good season or two but he'll never be a guy that carries a team or one that remains consistent, his potential will always appeal to someone but he'll never be a complete NFL quarterback.

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by cris_sonic:



#7tormcoming!

This is QB IQ defined....or a lack of it. You have a receiver completely uncovered, you quickly call a basic pass protection, snap the ball, toss it to your receiver and let him go off to the races.

people have been calling out Kap for almost 2 years about his lack of football IQ and his terrible play recognition, but always get called haters. I'm just glad that FINALLY it can't be disregarded anymore.

I'm not saying Kap is the worst QB in the league, but the guy just doesn't have the mental ability to be a franchise QB and doesn't posses the in game leadership that's needed to take a team to a championship.

I don't even know now how he fooled the league as long as he did. He HAD to be protected by the coaching staff during that time period, because there's no other way to explain it.

I mean for that short time, everyone in the football world has him pegged as a once in a lifetime QB and now the guy can even put on his shoes without help.

So disappointing and sad to think how far he's fallen.

he got wayyyyyyyyyyy over his head so soon so quickly when everyone claimed that he could be the greatest QB of all Time..

so what happened, he tried to walk on water, disgraced the football gods, disrespect the game by walkin around with another team's HAT and LOGO.. suddenly, he stepped on a QUICKSAND!!

" You're playing and you think everything is going fine. Then one thing goes wrong.
And then another. And another. You try to fight back, but the harder you fight, the deeper you sink. Until you can't move...
you can't breathe... because you're in over your head. Like quicksand. "

Trent should have realized the possibility for an implosion at QB yet sticks with Gabbert. If everyone here and in the Bay recognize Gabbert will not fare better then what is the point of keeping him around?

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I mean, this could've been a game changer. Instead, we wind up letting the game get completely flipped in favor of St. Louis. Phoenix is right. Kaepernick keeps making the same mistakes again and again and again and again.

At this point, to me, Kaepernick has become what Matt Schaub became and he may never regain his previous form.

I don't know if he does or doesn't...but THIS ship isn't right in the first place...we don't need Kap making things even worse. Maybe a little time on the sidelines will help. I know one thing: It can't hurt.

yeah he needs a kick in the arse , bench him

FML...I'm in agreement with 49.

It's time to sit. Unless we plan on attempting to run the college pistol passing attack he ran at Nevada, CK is probably just going to look worse and worse. His straight line speed is great, but if he can't pass with accuracy, not much of that matters. He's no Russell Wilson or Cam Newton. His game took him as far as he could. Now he's all but done.

Kudos to whoever structured his contract in a way where we could get rid of him. I loved CK coming out of college, thought he had tremendous ability that if coached properly and channeled well, could do big things. Clearly, after 4 years, the mental game still hasn't assimilated. He needs to just be a backup now. Maybe in 4 more years, he'll get the point where he just understands how to be a football player and can do something then. We don't have time for this crap anymore.

At this point, I would even welcome a swap for RGIII. Though he'd probably just suffer another catastrophic injury behind this OL.

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by eastie:
How does a QB go from leading a comeback in the playoffs at Atlanta just two years ago to the guy that doesn't even see that his WR is uncovered at the line of scrimmage? What has happened here? Kap is not unintelligent. His wonderlick score testifies to that.

Ryan Fitzpatrick also had a high Wonderlic score. Dan Marino had a low one. We're not discussing regular intelligence or book smarts here, its about QB IQ, the intelligence of knowing what to do in the moment, understanding what the defense is doing, being able to attack their weakpoints, adjusting to a defense as the game goes on, consistently throwing the ball with touch and accuracy to just the right spot so that your receivers can pick up maximum yardage. Knowing when to run for it, knowing when to throw the ball away, being aware of how much time is left on the gameclock and the playclock...etc.

Kaepernick might be a really bright guy in general but in terms of quarterbacking, his IQ is mediocre at best. He came out like gangbusters and took the league by storm, the difference is that the NFL adjusted to him, they have largely taken away what he likes to do and teams are forcing him to make quick reads and be decisive on where he goes with the football, forcing him to throw accurately and he's showing that he isn't capable of it.

That sounds real neat and simple, but I'm not buying it. There is much more to this than , he's not capable and the league has caught up with him. He was playing much smarter and much more aggressively a couple of years ago. He was throwing the ball into tight windows, where now he's like Alex was later in his time here, won't even attempt it. He's also not seeing things that he was seeing before.

Okay, so you're saying he is probably too mentally soft? Its between the ears? Man, that sounds complicated. Probably need a phd to figure all this nonsense out. You want someone that mentally fragile as your starting QB?

Either way, he needs to shoulder most of the responsibility. Again, not asking to make miracles because we know that the o line and coaches are a joke but be f'n functional. Hit the easy stuff man.

Look guys, I never once said that he wasn't responsible for his performance on the field. It's friggin terrible, no doubt about it. I was merely curious about how this could happen so quickly in such a young man. And how is it rectified? He's not even hitting on the plays that were his bread and butter when they present themselves. Is he playing with a concussion? When your young enough that your arrow should still be pointing up, how do you lose it all so quickly? Make no mistake he has lost it and does need to be benched. He needs time away from starting to get his head right, if he can...