Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Jakemall:

You're right. One. There were 4 WRs in that game. Guess how many are still in football? Alex didn't play a great game, but considering, that was to be expected. Still he did enough to get the win if there weren't several other huge mistakes made..unfortunately, there were and he didn't.

To this day I don't know why we didn't run more...Gore was a beast every time he touched the ball.

Qbs got to make plays in the playoffs...either way it's over and Bradshaw fumbled that ball!!! Lol

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by sacniner:


Either way, he needs to shoulder most of the responsibility. Again, not asking to make miracles because we know that the o line and coaches are a joke but be f'n functional. Hit the easy stuff man.

Seems like you are if he's supposed to shoulder most of the responsibility for a crappy line, running game and coaching staff. We want the OC, DC, HC fired. We want the Oline replaced. We want a change at RB, change at TE, change in ownership, yet the QB should take most of the responsibility? How? He takes a part of it but most? We can all acknowledge all of the massive problems around him but wonder why he's playing like crud?

No, take responsibility for what's his part. For over a year everyone has tried to figure out Kap's psyche. Why is he non-functional for so many complete games? Why can't he hit basic reads when he has time to throw? Why is his accuracy so s**ty even when he has enough time? Remember, he as horrendous for a big part of last year also. When the line wasn't this atrocious.

The answers from some are that his o line sucks, he is shell shocked, etc. That's old. He needs to fix what is going on in between the ears. He fails time and time again when it falls on him. Do we make excuses for the o line's psyche? The coaching staff? Vernon?

Even on a team this bad, Kap needs to be functional. Hit the easy stuff and do what he can. He hasn't and I guess we can go back to trying to simplify stuff more and feel bad for him because he's a starting NFL QB getting paid a s**t load of money who is "shell shocked."

I don't put a lot of stock in Wonderlic test for football players. It may be an indicator of how quickly a guy can absorb an NFL playbook. Obviously QBs have to be able to memorize a big, complex playbook in most NFL offenses, so there is some relevance. But more important than actual IQ is field vision, and Kaepernick's is poor.

You would think studying lots of college game tape on a prospect would reveal that player's vision and judgment. Kaepernick probably slipped through because his spread offense in a flimsy conference didn't put all of his faculties to the test. At Reno it was good enough to have a rocket arm and run like a gazelle in the open field, so there weren't a lot of opportunities on tape to judge his "football intelligence".

The fact that this unraveling scenario with Kaepernick was so predictable (and predicted in the webzone) is an indictment on Baalke. Anyone who watched a few minutes of the Chiefs game before the Niners game could see that Alex Smith is a superior QB to Kaepernick. Baalke needs to go too. Way to many unforced errors with this guy, and big ones. Trading Smith too early, running Harbaugh off, poor drafts despite bundles of picks ... They are becoming unwatchable.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
You're right. One. There were 4 WRs in that game. Guess how many are still in football? Alex didn't play a great game, but considering, that was to be expected. Still he did enough to get the win if there weren't several other huge mistakes made..unfortunately, there were and he didn't.

To this day I don't know why we didn't run more...Gore was a beast every time he touched the ball.

Qbs got to make plays in the playoffs...either way it's over and Bradshaw fumbled that ball!!! Lol

People don't bring that up much..but yeah..the halt of forward progression when there was no whistle was BS.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So he was playing like he is now in 2012/2013 ?

not even close, he made changes at the line..done almost what all great QBs can do.

He's shell shocked and has no one under him thats making him fight for his job

I think in 2012, he had the added benefit of Alex giving him cliff notes all throughout the game; things to look for and key pointers for plays.
Also, according to articles, Harbaugh would basically line up the entire O, not Kaep. This worked well in 2013, but it sucked up the play clock and teams were starting to get a beat on the plays.

I liked his potential out of college. He had some great games against Boise St. But, I think his abrupt entry to the starting lineup cost his development. Earlier in that preseason, I remember that he didn't look too impressive, other than running. I think the reason for the locker room split was not necessarily out of loyalty to Alex, but more that players knew Kaep was not ready yet. With help, Kaep was able to do well for 2012 and 2013, but teams figured out how to beat it. Whatever his capabilities are at this point, he doesn't have much time left, fair or not. In the NFL, they don't have time for work-in-progresses in their fifth season.

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by cris_sonic:



#7tormcoming!

This is QB IQ defined....or a lack of it. You have a receiver completely uncovered, you quickly call a basic pass protection, snap the ball, toss it to your receiver and let him go off to the races.

people have been calling out Kap for almost 2 years about his lack of football IQ and his terrible play recognition, but always get called haters. I'm just glad that FINALLY it can't be disregarded anymore.

I'm not saying Kap is the worst QB in the league, but the guy just doesn't have the mental ability to be a franchise QB and doesn't posses the in game leadership that's needed to take a team to a championship.

I don't even know now how he fooled the league as long as he did. He HAD to be protected by the coaching staff during that time period, because there's no other way to explain it.

I mean for that short time, everyone in the football world has him pegged as a once in a lifetime QB and now the guy can even put on his shoes without help.

So disappointing and sad to think how far he's fallen.

Now we know why Harbs severely limited his decision making at the LOS and in the huddle. All this talk about opening up the play book for him early in the seasonal and letting him have freedom in the huddle was a mistake. There was a reason Harbaugh micromanaged Kap.

Harbaugh was not without his faults, but IMO he had to have realized he was severely handcuffed with Kap at QB.

Originally posted by sacniner:
Vernon?

No, everyone just says that Vernon is being a b***h and then move on. You can make endless excuses for Kaepernick but the guy is just all over the place, he's not trusting what he's seeing, he's simply NOT seeing a whole lot of stuff out on the field, his form breaks down at the slightest hint of pressure, he doesn't move well in the pocket, never has really, he struggles with his accuracy consistently, its just been a complete mess.

Originally posted by eastie:
How does a QB go from leading a comeback in the playoffs at Atlanta just two years ago to the guy that doesn't even see that his WR is uncovered at the line of scrimmage? What has happened here? Kap is not unintelligent. His wonderlick score testifies to that. My guess is that the psychology of the coaching staff and management has confounded the guy into paralysis. What sort of instructions is he being given? What philosophy is being used by management and the coaching staff? " Colin, do what we tell you to do. It's the right thing to do, regardless." Are there false promises being made here? The kid was ballin and now he cant even accomplish the most basic acts on the field. His talent didn't just disappear one night never to return. Something happened. Something that isn't being discussed. Somebody did or said something to him and he's following that to his own determent. Something stinks here and it's a lot more than the current QB...

lol Sounds like you want to blame somebody for Kaep's situation. It's on Kaep. NFL stopped him from what he does best, run with the ball. He can throw the ball, but his read is slow. A lesser Oline exposed this even more this year. Shellshocked Kaep has no answer. He's totally unsure on the field.

WORST PLAYERS AT EVERY POSITION FOR WEEK 8

Quarterback: Colin Kaepernick, 49ers (-6.5)

Kaepernick makes his way back onto this team thanks to a poor performance against the St. Louis Rams. He finished with a -8.1 passing grade on the day, thanks in large part to his paltry under-pressure stats (3-of-13 for 12 yards). The 49ers' offense kept it simple, running a ton of play action and bootleg dumps to the flats, and Kaepernick struggled even to hit those. It's been a tough year for San Francisco quarterback, and he now sits with our second-worst grade among QBs this season.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/11/02/worst-players-at-every-position-for-week-8/

Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
So he was playing like he is now in 2012/2013 ?

not even close, he made changes at the line..done almost what all great QBs can do.

He's shell shocked and has no one under him thats making him fight for his job

I think in 2012, he had the added benefit of Alex giving him cliff notes all throughout the game; things to look for and key pointers for plays.
Also, according to articles, Harbaugh would basically line up the entire O, not Kaep. This worked well in 2013, but it sucked up the play clock and teams were starting to get a beat on the plays.

I think Alex did help, but not is that aspect. I think he helped as in a way that Kaep was playing for a Job

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by cris_sonic:

#7tormcoming!

This is QB IQ defined....or a lack of it. You have a receiver completely uncovered, you quickly call a basic pass protection, snap the ball, toss it to your receiver and let him go off to the races.

people have been calling out Kap for almost 2 years about his lack of football IQ and his terrible play recognition, but always get called haters. I'm just glad that FINALLY it can't be disregarded anymore.

I'm not saying Kap is the worst QB in the league, but the guy just doesn't have the mental ability to be a franchise QB and doesn't posses the in game leadership that's needed to take a team to a championship.

I don't even know now how he fooled the league as long as he did. He HAD to be protected by the coaching staff during that time period, because there's no other way to explain it.

I mean for that short time, everyone in the football world has him pegged as a once in a lifetime QB and now the guy can even put on his shoes without help.

So disappointing and sad to think how far he's fallen.

he got wayyyyyyyyyyy over his head so soon so quickly when everyone claimed that he could be the greatest QB of all Time..

so what happened, he tried to walk on water, disgraced the football gods, disrespect the game by walkin around with another team's HAT and LOGO.. suddenly, he stepped on a QUICKSAND!!

" You're playing and you think everything is going fine. Then one thing goes wrong.
And then another. And another. You try to fight back, but the harder you fight, the deeper you sink. Until you can't move...
you can't breathe... because you're in over your head. Like quicksand. "

I'll never forget the whole awards show douchebaggery that he put on. You just don't see franchise QBs acting like fools the way he did.

There is no denying that Kap had that "IT" factor for a while and that first game against Chicago and then beating New England IN New England was almost as hardcore as wearing no sleeves in GB in the minus 40 wind chill on the way to a road playoff win, was about as legendary of a start as any QB could ever hope for.

It's just too bad things have fallen apart as bad as they have, I feel bad for the guy, but I'm over it, time to move and start getting this thing fixed.

Originally posted by BSofSF:
I don't put a lot of stock in Wonderlic test for football players. It may be an indicator of how quickly a guy can absorb an NFL playbook. Obviously QBs have to be able to memorize a big, complex playbook in most NFL offenses, so there is some relevance. But more important than actual IQ is field vision, and Kaepernick's is poor.

You would think studying lots of college game tape on a prospect would reveal that player's vision and judgment. Kaepernick probably slipped through because his spread offense in a flimsy conference didn't put all of his faculties to the test. At Reno it was good enough to have a rocket arm and run like a gazelle in the open field, so there weren't a lot of opportunities on tape to judge his "football intelligence".

The fact that this unraveling scenario with Kaepernick was so predictable (and predicted in the webzone) is an indictment on Baalke. Anyone who watched a few minutes of the Chiefs game before the Niners game could see that Alex Smith is a superior QB to Kaepernick. Baalke needs to go too. Way to many unforced errors with this guy, and big ones. Trading Smith too early, running Harbaugh off, poor drafts despite bundles of picks ... They are becoming unwatchable.

There's a difference between being able to crank out some formulas and get through them quickly as opposed to seeing the field at a glance. Brady is one of the best at seeing the field. No great arm, not fast, not athletic, but he sees the field. Not that Brees, Rogers and Manning don't..but they are all more athletic and were early round picks.

Originally posted by sacniner:
No, take responsibility for what's his part. For over a year everyone has tried to figure out Kap's psyche. Why is he non-functional for so many complete games? Why can't he hit basic reads when he has time to throw? Why is his accuracy so s**ty even when he has enough time? Remember, he as horrendous for a big part of last year also. When the line wasn't this atrocious.

The answers from some are that his o line sucks, he is shell shocked, etc. That's old. He needs to fix what is going on in between the ears. He fails time and time again when it falls on him. Do we make excuses for the o line's psyche? The coaching staff? Vernon?

Even on a team this bad, Kap needs to be functional. Hit the easy stuff and do what he can. He hasn't and I guess we can go back to trying to simplify stuff more and feel bad for him because he's a starting NFL QB getting paid a s**t load of money who is "shell shocked."

He was poor in a few games last year. I can name many other QBs that had bad stretches as well. He was nowhere near this bad last year.

He has lost his confidence. It's clear. When a QB loses his confidence he sucks. This is where we are. With all that said, everything is connected on offense...line, running game, receivers, coaching, gameplan. Where has our OC's offenses ranked in his career as a OC? Do you have the numbers? His offenses have all ranked near last in the league. What a shock that the current one is dead last with a dead last line.

Let me ask you a question. Before the season started, what did you expect from the offense?

We are severely over analyzing him as a QB. The simple truth is he's a guy on a terrible team with Terrible offensive coach who don't have a clue as to how to use him or even put an offense on the field. Yea many of you will get what you want. Another 49er QB who has been cast off. He will go to another team and be great again.

Don't forget he is part of a franchise who has had 5 winning seasons in 15 years

Originally posted by Jcool:
WORST PLAYERS AT EVERY POSITION FOR WEEK 8

Quarterback: Colin Kaepernick, 49ers (-6.5)

Kaepernick makes his way back onto this team thanks to a poor performance against the St. Louis Rams. He finished with a -8.1 passing grade on the day, thanks in large part to his paltry under-pressure stats (3-of-13 for 12 yards). The 49ers' offense kept it simple, running a ton of play action and bootleg dumps to the flats, and Kaepernick struggled even to hit those. It's been a tough year for San Francisco quarterback, and he now sits with our second-worst grade among QBs this season.


https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/11/02/worst-players-at-every-position-for-week-8/

Felt like they only called the same handful of plays during the game. Our offense went into retard mode for Kaep.