Colin Kaepernick Thread

Is it kaep or the organization? who is next QB we will ruin? Can any QB survive here with this coaching staff or even a new one? We draft another an it's 3-5 more years of sucking. Then you all want to move on from that guy. It's a never ending rat race with our organization.
Rogers had 77 yards passing last night, QBs go through rough stretches sometimes long ones.Philip rivers threw 35 picks in 2 seasons he was horrid. They have never been anywhere with him. They stuck with him. Kaep will play his way out of this, he needs organizational support. Other players need to play better rather than rat them out to Jason Cole. This team is toxic, not Kaep. It's a team full of rats, leaks & backstabbing. Which looks why many never wanted to come back here

I've always been a kap guy. Statistically speaking, even when he was "bad" he was still performing at a level that made me think with proper coaching he could be a top level guy. I still believe the organization failed kap with this particular HC hire. However, there comes a time when a QB has to take control of his career. This simply is not happening and it really hard to make evaluations on the other offensive positions because kap seriously looks like a busted QB. It is inexcusable to miss an uncovered WR before the snap. IMO, that's evidence of going off the rails.

Kap has earned a benching and I am now ready to see what Gabbert has. Let's see how bad this OL really is. I think it's franchise historic bad, but if we start to get the ball out quicker with Gabbert that answers some questions. Also giving kap some time off could be beneficial, in my hope of hopes, I want sort of a Jeff Garcia 1999 reaction to being sit. In the end I really only care about is the niners, and we simply can't continue with the status quo.

Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:

Kaepernick nor the team seemed to be concerned about the offense in the pre-season. New system new players, etc.. Where there is smoke there is fire...

This is last year's preseason article..

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2014/08/26/colin-kaepernick-on-lowest-ranked-offense-ive-never-seen-worrying-help-anyones-problems-or-help-anyone-get-better/

From 2014:

The 49ers have yet to produce a touchdown drive in Kaepernick's seven series of work this exhibition season. His only scoring drives have led to a pair of field goals, including one in his final series of Sunday's 21-7 win over the Chargers.

The 49ers rank last in the league by averaging just eight points and 239.3 yards per game. Their combined passer rating is a league-low 56.4, including Kaepernick's 69.3 rating on 12-of-22 passing for 115 yards with no touchdowns or interceptions.

Let's fast forward to 2015:

He completes 5 passes out of 13 attempts in all of preseason for 40 yards...and shows no concern.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/30/colin-kaepernick-theres-not-any-concern-about-offense/

Yeah, that has bothered me about the 49ers for the last several seasons, even with Harbaugh. You see guys like Brady and Rogers getting plenty of work in the preseason, but very little in game reps for our starters during the preseason. There is no rhythm or chemistry developed between wr and qb.

Is he bench yet?

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
that's all you got out of that? or that's all you were looking for...lol.

who on this forum has said that Kap isn't having issues? Some of us just believe it has more to do with the reluctance to make moves to the Oline...before believing Kap is straight out horrendous. He doesn't trust the oline and is playing like it. He is pressing.

Lol, Bruh, I know Kap is your dude and at his best he was awesome, but at his worst, he's been as bad as it gets. I mean seriously, you've seen the evidence, it has nothing to do with "hating Kap" it's the fact that the guy can't recognize an UNCOVERED receiver and he's a pro QB.

Come on man, it's time to move on bro

"he's been as bad as it gets"

stats prove you wrong.

Kap is not the first Pro QB to ever miss an uncovered WR before a snap. I've seen it. But hey I watch alot of football.....so that might be the reason i don't feel it's as big of a deal as some put it.

Some believe he missed that WR because he has low QB IQ....and a few like myself, feel he missed it because he is pressing and was backed up in his own endzone...with the coaches telling him the play is a run, and make sure your rookie Davis gets a clean hand off.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN
#49ers coach Jim Tomsula did not say Colin Kaepernick is the quarterback, like he has in the past. "We're evaluating anyone," Tomsula said.

I don't wish any ill will on Kaep, but I think it would be for the best if he gets benched for a while because the next 3 games have the potential to be absolutely brutal (Atlanta, Seattle, Arizona). His already fragile confidence doesn't need to take any more hits.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
"he's been as bad as it gets"

stats prove you wrong.

Kap is not the first Pro QB to ever miss an uncovered WR before a snap. I've seen it. But hey I watch alot of football.....so that might be the reason i don't feel it's as big of a deal as some put it.

Some believe he missed that WR because he has low QB IQ....and a few like myself, feel he missed it because he is pressing and was backed up in his own endzone...with the coaches telling him the play is a run, and make sure your rookie Davis gets a clean hand off.

Its made a big deal because its Kap and Smith did the baby pout too

A month or so ago I was fairly strongly in favor of keeping Kap starting because I thought it would be best for him to stay in and work through the deep funk he got in during and after the Cardinals game. I think he did work his way out of that very deep pit a little bit and that gave me hope and a hunch that he would continue to get somewhat better as the season progressed. The last couple of weeks seem to show, even if there has been some progression since the deep, deep darkness of the Card's game, that Kap just doesn't seem to be improving. So, I guess I'm finally at the place where it seems to make sense to start Gabbert - though maybe after the bye week might be a better time for that since it would give Gabbert and the other offensive players (and Chryst) more time to work together before starting him.

I don't think Kap is so bad that there is no place for him in the NFL. I think there's a reasonably good chance that a change in scenery could be good for him - I think that at least he could be a good backup quarterback for some other teams. It wouldn't surprise me if he went somewhere else and with some time and good coaching that he may still develop into a decent NFL level quarterback. But, as of right now, it also wouldn't surprise if that didn't happen.

If the coaches continue to start him, then I'm going to continue to hope that he will play better - because I want the team to at least play decently and for Kap's sake.

Originally posted by TWD_Fan:
I don't wish any ill will on Kaep, but I think it would be for the best if he gets benched for a while because the next 3 games have the potential to be absolutely brutal (Atlanta, Seattle, Arizona). His already fragile confidence doesn't need to take any more hits.

All the more to change now against Atlanta, not Seattle or Arizona

Originally posted by MikeD:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

"he's been as bad as it gets"

stats prove you wrong.

Kap is not the first Pro QB to ever miss an uncovered WR before a snap. I've seen it. But hey I watch alot of football.....so that might be the reason i don't feel it's as big of a deal as some put it.

Some believe he missed that WR because he has low QB IQ....and a few like myself, feel he missed it because he is pressing and was backed up in his own endzone...with the coaches telling him the play is a run, and make sure your rookie Davis gets a clean hand off.

Its made a big deal because its Kap and Smith did the baby pout too

It's made a big deal because it's constant. We must watch different games, but whe I read the breakdown thread that shows him missing targets, and even hear the announcers point it out, it's quite obvious.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

that's all you got out of that? or that's all you were looking for...lol.

who on this forum has said that Kap isn't having issues? Some of us just believe it has more to do with the reluctance to make moves to the Oline...before believing Kap is straight out horrendous. He doesn't trust the oline and is playing like it. He is pressing.

Lol, Bruh, I know Kap is your dude and at his best he was awesome, but at his worst, he's been as bad as it gets. I mean seriously, you've seen the evidence, it has nothing to do with "hating Kap" it's the fact that the guy can't recognize an UNCOVERED receiver and he's a pro QB.

Come on man, it's time to move on bro

"he's been as bad as it gets"

stats prove you wrong.

Kap is not the first Pro QB to ever miss an uncovered WR before a snap. I've seen it. But hey I watch alot of football.....so that might be the reason i don't feel it's as big of a deal as some put it.

Some believe he missed that WR because he has low QB IQ....and a few like myself, feel he missed it because he is pressing and was backed up in his own endzone...with the coaches telling him the play is a run, and make sure your rookie Davis gets a clean hand off.

Bro, his own players are calling for his removal, what more do you want?

Originally posted by MikeD:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
"he's been as bad as it gets"

stats prove you wrong.

Kap is not the first Pro QB to ever miss an uncovered WR before a snap. I've seen it. But hey I watch alot of football.....so that might be the reason i don't feel it's as big of a deal as some put it.

Some believe he missed that WR because he has low QB IQ....and a few like myself, feel he missed it because he is pressing and was backed up in his own endzone...with the coaches telling him the play is a run, and make sure your rookie Davis gets a clean hand off.

Its made a big deal because its Kap and Smith did the baby pout too

I've seen that pout from WRs before.... they're not covered trying to get the QB's attention (Torrey tried to as hard as he could, but stadium was loud)

other situations the WR is just trying so hard to lift his hand up without being noticed...lol..and then when the snap happens...big pout.

I'm not so much pissed at this play, because imo I've seen Kap so fixated on the play called before...that he passes up on opportunities....like say going no huddle after a close play that might be challenged. I just presume its because of how he was coached up since coming here with Harbs.... I'm just curious to see how he is with another coach...be it with our team or another team.

Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
i don't hate Kaep, but I've been called a hater for saying this was going to happen for 2 years now.

Kaep doesn't have very good pocket presence-hater
He doesn't read the field well- hater
His footwork isn't what it should be-hater
Needs more touch on his balls that sail or hit a WRs feet-hater
Lacks football IQ- hater
0 4th down tds-hater
Letting a 4th string Raider get in his head at halftime-hater

All I'm saying is that maybe people that were labeled haters had a point.... To me you watch the guy play and it's plain as day but critical analysis has been mistaken as hating on the guy.

I can't defend the idea that he could become an elite QB at this point, but I think the problem I had with that kind of analysis was that I thought it was premature and somewhat unfounded when people were making the criticisms in '13 and '14. He's gotten progressively less effective IMO, but nobody really knew that was going to happen. Some people thought they knew, but they didn't really know. They were guessing and I suppose the guesses were correct.

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
that's all you got out of that? or that's all you were looking for...lol.

who on this forum has said that Kap isn't having issues? Some of us just believe it has more to do with the reluctance to make moves to the Oline...before believing Kap is straight out horrendous. He doesn't trust the oline and is playing like it. He is pressing.

Lol, Bruh, I know Kap is your dude and at his best he was awesome, but at his worst, he's been as bad as it gets. I mean seriously, you've seen the evidence, it has nothing to do with "hating Kap" it's the fact that the guy can't recognize an UNCOVERED receiver and he's a pro QB.

Come on man, it's time to move on bro

"he's been as bad as it gets"

stats prove you wrong.

Kap is not the first Pro QB to ever miss an uncovered WR before a snap. I've seen it. But hey I watch alot of football.....so that might be the reason i don't feel it's as big of a deal as some put it.

Some believe he missed that WR because he has low QB IQ....and a few like myself, feel he missed it because he is pressing and was backed up in his own endzone...with the coaches telling him the play is a run, and make sure your rookie Davis gets a clean hand off.

Bro, his own players are calling for his removal, what more do you want?

WHO?

look I ain't gonna continue this convo with you if you are just going to bring up b******t.....saying players like its the whole team. The only thing we have heard semi confirmed was that Vernon (of all people) called out Kap....maybe to say he needs to play better....doubt for Kap to get benched/removed like you say.

but if some simple minded folks believe our players are going to text Jason F'ing Cole of all people...right after a game...then I don't know what to tell you.