Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Wow, this fan base is really disgusting sometimes. It's a shame being associated with such ungrateful fans that can't appreciate the hard work coaches and players put in for that kind of success.

Oh, you're just "supposed" to go to 3 straight NFCCG's? Ever, let alone in your first crack at being a Head Coach, with close to the same exact roster that failed to reach .500 without you?

If it's "so easy" to get the title game that many times in a row... why is it that only a handful of teams have done so in the 60+ year history of the NFL?

And for those of you who don't pay attention the NFL outside of football, the reality of the matter is that almost ALL starting NFL QB's - even super stars like Brees, Brady, Peyton - all have and most of them still DO work with a QB coach in the off-season. So please stop with these trash comments that "Harbaugh isn't a good QB developer" because Colin Kaepernick "regressed" as a passer behind an injury riddled OL that couldn't block, and throwing to 1 competent, HEALTHY target last year in Anquan Boldin.

Nevermind the fact that the Jim Harbaugh took a run-first college QB that most analysts and armchair GM's wrote off as a "gimmick QB" and helped pretty much turn him into a star instantly...

You talk about paying attention to outside of football then call Kaep a gimmick QB lol...

JH did do anything besides telling Alex smith to take the sack..instead of turning it over....and if you were paying attention our offensive coaching was the weak leak out all 4 years

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
I hope Tomsula plays Kap a lot more in preseason than Harbaugh did. He needs all the reps he can get

Bad idea... especially when you plan on having your QB run a fair amount and your back-up is a man named "Blaine".

TC is what reps are for, even though Pete Carroll, Bruce Arians and Jeff Fisher would all recommend we play Kap every snap we can in the pre-season.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You talk about paying attention to outside of football then call Kaep a gimmick QB lol...

JH did do anything besides telling Alex smith to take the sack..instead of turning it over....and if you were paying attention our offensive coaching was the weak leak out all 4 years

Wow, your reading is horrible.... there was a reason I put the word "gimmick" in parentheses (you do know what those are and why they are used, right?), and why I referred to the people who called him that as "armchair GM's". I'm probably the biggest Kap supporter there is, I wanted us to trade up for him well before we drafted him.

"telling Alex to take a sack instead of turning the ball over"... so devoid of any thought it doesn't even deserve to be addressed...

Shows how clueless most of the people constantly whining on here are. You probably honest to God think that Harbaugh just pulled Alex Smith into the coaches office and sternly told him "Don't turn the ball over any more, son". And that was what led to Alex Smith posting career bests in efficiency, completion percentage, 6 GW drives in 1 season, and one of the best playoff performances ever for an NFL QB? Because "Harbaugh told him to take sacks instead of INT's".

LOL!!!!


And nowhere did I say offensive coaching wasn't an issue at all, I implied that it's hypocritical to blame him completely for offensive coaching and not give him credit for what the D did... since, ya know, people are basically accusing the players of losing respect for him and not playing hard for him anymore. But I'm sure that went over your head as well.


Just because Harbaugh's gone and our team wasn't perfect with him doesn't mean it isn't totally classless and disrespectful to take cheap shots at him and discredit him for the good things he did do.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

I hope Tomsula plays Kap a lot more in preseason than Harbaugh did. He needs all the reps he can get

Bad idea... especially when you plan on having your QB run a fair amount and your back-up is a man named "Blaine".

TC is what reps are for, even though Pete Carroll, Bruce Arians and Jeff Fisher would all recommend we play Kap every snap we can in the pre-season.

There was a reason the O looked out of sync in the beginning of the year. They need to play in PS, especially with a "new" system.

Originally posted by jreff22:
There was a reason the O looked out of sync in the beginning of the year. They need to play in PS, especially with a "new" system.

Right, and it had nothing to do with Alex Boone missing half of TC, a terrible Jonathon Martin playing for Anthony Davis, and Michael Crabtree gimping through an injury suffered in TC/preseason. Or Vernon getting his back blown the eff out in Week 4 vs the Eagles.

Not to be rude, but to most everyone else, it's pretty common sense WHY you don't play your starters a ton in meaningless, preseason games.

Unless, of course, you think playing an extra 30 snaps for 2 more games would have made up for Alex Boone missing weeks of conditioning, would have made Jonathon Martin way less of wussy and forcing Crabtree to play more snaps would have healed injury faster.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Right, and it had nothing to do with Alex Boone missing half of TC, a terrible Jonathon Martin playing for Anthony Davis, and Michael Crabtree gimping through an injury suffered in TC/preseason. Or Vernon getting his back blown the eff out in Week 4 vs the Eagles.

Not to be rude, but to most everyone else, it's pretty common sense WHY you don't play your starters a ton in meaningless, preseason games.

Unless, of course, you think playing an extra 30 snaps for 2 more games would have made up for Alex Boone missing weeks of conditioning, would have made Jonathon Martin way less of wussy and forcing Crabtree to play more snaps would have healed injury faster.

Your writing style is a bit rude but you have made a point here. Practice is actually important. I realize they don't want to risk injury, which I believe is your main point, but developing fluidity before the games count is worthwhile. Coaches differ on just how important it is and teams with mostly veterans can get away with much less practice.

I believe playing a new center, and then three more new replacement centers is likely more the cause for the offenses lackluster performance than most believe. J Martin didn't help but you can work around a mediocre RT more easily than a new center.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

You talk about paying attention to outside of football then call Kaep a gimmick QB lol...

JH did do anything besides telling Alex smith to take the sack..instead of turning it over....and if you were paying attention our offensive coaching was the weak leak out all 4 years

Wow, your reading is horrible.... there was a reason I put the word "gimmick" in parentheses (you do know what those are and why they are used, right?), and why I referred to the people who called him that as "armchair GM's". I'm probably the biggest Kap supporter there is, I wanted us to trade up for him well before we drafted him.

"telling Alex to take a sack instead of turning the ball over"... so devoid of any thought it doesn't even deserve to be addressed...

Shows how clueless most of the people constantly whining on here are. You probably honest to God think that Harbaugh just pulled Alex Smith into the coaches office and sternly told him "Don't turn the ball over any more, son". And that was what led to Alex Smith posting career bests in efficiency, completion percentage, 6 GW drives in 1 season, and one of the best playoff performances ever for an NFL QB? Because "Harbaugh told him to take sacks instead of INT's".

LOL!!!!


And nowhere did I say offensive coaching wasn't an issue at all, I implied that it's hypocritical to blame him completely for offensive coaching and not give him credit for what the D did... since, ya know, people are basically accusing the players of losing respect for him and not playing hard for him anymore. But I'm sure that went over your head as well.


Just because Harbaugh's gone and our team wasn't perfect with him doesn't mean it isn't totally classless and disrespectful to take cheap shots at him and discredit him for the good things he did do.

I don't care if you put it in parentheses...your still tying to give him credit for that....and smith might have had career high in % but he didn't have career high numbers...barely had even 20 attempts per gam !. And his total numbers were his yearly average..

Fangio and seely gets more credit for the last 4 years...not jh

Harbaugh doesn't deserve all the blame for the O or the D. Harbaugh's biggest strength as an NFL coach was how to lead and put a staff together then get everyone on the same page and let his coaches coach for the most part. Harbaugh wasn't an Xs and Os guy in college or the NFL. He's a winner because he knows winners but his inability to put winning over the loyalty of his coaches and knowing when to change his process on how to win was his downfall. In the NFL you have to deal with an owner and you have to know how to communicate and listen if you don't agree. You play the political game and still get what you want. Jim didn't think he should have to do that. His way of doing things is better served for college and if he didn't learn anything with the 49ers every stop he makes in the NFL will be a carbon copy of a Larry Brown coaching career.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by jreff22:

There was a reason the O looked out of sync in the beginning of the year. They need to play in PS, especially with a "new" system.

Right, and it had nothing to do with Alex Boone missing half of TC, a terrible Jonathon Martin playing for Anthony Davis, and Michael Crabtree gimping through an injury suffered in TC/preseason. Or Vernon getting his back blown the eff out in Week 4 vs the Eagles.

Not to be rude, but to most everyone else, it's pretty common sense WHY you don't play your starters a ton in meaningless, preseason games.

Unless, of course, you think playing an extra 30 snaps for 2 more games would have made up for Alex Boone missing weeks of conditioning, would have made Jonathon Martin way less of wussy and forcing Crabtree to play more snaps would have healed injury faster.

Define a ton....and then tell me how many snaps Kap took in PS last year.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Wow, this fan base is really disgusting sometimes. It's a shame being associated with such ungrateful fans that can't appreciate the hard work coaches and players put in for that kind of success.

Oh, you're just "supposed" to go to 3 straight NFCCG's? Ever, let alone in your first crack at being a Head Coach, with close to the same exact roster that failed to reach .500 without you?

If it's "so easy" to get the title game that many times in a row... why is it that only a handful of teams have done so in the 60+ year history of the NFL?

And for those of you who don't pay attention the NFL outside of football, the reality of the matter is that almost ALL starting NFL QB's - even super stars like Brees, Brady, Peyton - all have and most of them still DO work with a QB coach in the off-season. So please stop with these trash comments that "Harbaugh isn't a good QB developer" because Colin Kaepernick "regressed" as a passer behind an injury riddled OL that couldn't block, and throwing to 1 competent, HEALTHY target last year in Anquan Boldin.

Nevermind the fact that the Jim Harbaugh took a run-first college QB that most analysts and armchair GM's wrote off as a "gimmick QB" and helped pretty much turn him into a star instantly...

Must be nice to forget how much changed in that 2010 offseason heading into Harbaugh's first season.

We had some key changes that offseason which certainly helped big time in the turnaround.

2010 to 2011 changes

Ray McDonald becomes a starter
Navarro Bowman becomes a starter
Aldon Smith brings much needed pass rush
Donte Whitner signed
Chilo Rachal is gone
Mike Iupati and Anthony Davis no longer rookies
Carlos Rogers signed who has a pro bowl season that following year
Jonathan Goodwin signed

Those are just some that come to mind. Some pretty significant changes. Getting Chilo Rachal off the team was huge for the offense.

Pretending like Harbaugh got the same team as Singletary is flawed and inaccurate.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Wow, this fan base is really disgusting sometimes. It's a shame being associated with such ungrateful fans that can't appreciate the hard work coaches and players put in for that kind of success.

Oh, you're just "supposed" to go to 3 straight NFCCG's? Ever, let alone in your first crack at being a Head Coach, with close to the same exact roster that failed to reach .500 without you?

If it's "so easy" to get the title game that many times in a row... why is it that only a handful of teams have done so in the 60+ year history of the NFL?

And for those of you who don't pay attention the NFL outside of football, the reality of the matter is that almost ALL starting NFL QB's - even super stars like Brees, Brady, Peyton - all have and most of them still DO work with a QB coach in the off-season. So please stop with these trash comments that "Harbaugh isn't a good QB developer" because Colin Kaepernick "regressed" as a passer behind an injury riddled OL that couldn't block, and throwing to 1 competent, HEALTHY target last year in Anquan Boldin.

Nevermind the fact that the Jim Harbaugh took a run-first college QB that most analysts and armchair GM's wrote off as a "gimmick QB" and helped pretty much turn him into a star instantly...

Must be nice to forget how much changed in that 2010 offseason heading into Harbaugh's first season.

We had some key changes that offseason which certainly helped big time in the turnaround.

2010 to 2011 changes

Ray McDonald becomes a starter
Navarro Bowman becomes a starter
Aldon Smith brings much needed pass rush
Donte Whitner signed
Chilo Rachal is gone
Mike Iupati and Anthony Davis no longer rookies
Carlos Rogers signed who has a pro bowl season that following year
Jonathan Goodwin signed

Those are just some that come to mind. Some pretty significant changes. Getting Chilo Rachal off the team was huge for the offense.

Pretending like Harbaugh got the same team as Singletary is flawed and inaccurate.

Bingo!

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Wow, this fan base is really disgusting sometimes. It's a shame being associated with such ungrateful fans that can't appreciate the hard work coaches and players put in for that kind of success.

Oh, you're just "supposed" to go to 3 straight NFCCG's? Ever, let alone in your first crack at being a Head Coach, with close to the same exact roster that failed to reach .500 without you?

If it's "so easy" to get the title game that many times in a row... why is it that only a handful of teams have done so in the 60+ year history of the NFL?

And for those of you who don't pay attention the NFL outside of football, the reality of the matter is that almost ALL starting NFL QB's - even super stars like Brees, Brady, Peyton - all have and most of them still DO work with a QB coach in the off-season. So please stop with these trash comments that "Harbaugh isn't a good QB developer" because Colin Kaepernick "regressed" as a passer behind an injury riddled OL that couldn't block, and throwing to 1 competent, HEALTHY target last year in Anquan Boldin.

Nevermind the fact that the Jim Harbaugh took a run-first college QB that most analysts and armchair GM's wrote off as a "gimmick QB" and helped pretty much turn him into a star instantly...

Must be nice to forget how much changed in that 2010 offseason heading into Harbaugh's first season.

We had some key changes that offseason which certainly helped big time in the turnaround.

2010 to 2011 changes

Ray McDonald becomes a starter
Navarro Bowman becomes a starter
Aldon Smith brings much needed pass rush
Donte Whitner signed
Chilo Rachal is gone
Mike Iupati and Anthony Davis no longer rookies
Carlos Rogers signed who has a pro bowl season that following year
Jonathan Goodwin signed

Those are just some that come to mind. Some pretty significant changes. Getting Chilo Rachal off the team was huge for the offense.

Pretending like Harbaugh got the same team as Singletary is flawed and inaccurate.

Bingo!

Agenda over players...every time!

Most of those players on ^^^ that list are defensive players which goes to Fangio and his staff for putting them into the starting position. Harbaugh was hands off on defense. Harbaugh did inherit the same offensive players as Sing other than getting rid of Chilo. Was his offense much better than Sing's offense production wise. I'm not so sure. I think there were some key players that got better through previous experiences that helped Harbaugh run his offense. That whole offensive unit was a veteran unit that played together already for years. So the learning curve wasn't as bad even with a shorten off season. Sing's offense had been stale, in comes Harbaugh with something new, but after 3 years, the NFL caught up to it.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

almost ALL starting NFL QB's - even super stars like Brees, Brady, Peyton - all have and most of them still DO work with a QB coach in the off-season.

I am pleased that Kaepernick spent this off-season focusing his efforts on improving his quarterback skill set.

I think that the work Kaepernick did this off-season, in and of itself, was a major step forward; a significant shift in focus.

The fact that Kaepernick did this work strongly suggests that he recognizes that he has flaws and that he intends to eliminate those flaws.

The work that Kaepernick put in this off-season should be commended.

If we wish to contrast his off-season work with what happens "when the bullets start flying" we should remember that Kaepernick's decision to work on his quarterback skill set did not require the cooperation of his teammates.

In contrast, what happens when those proverbial bullets start flying to a large extent does depend on the efforts of others--his offensive line, his wide receivers, his running backs and his coaches.

As I said I think the work that he did this off-season in and of itself should be commended.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You talk about paying attention to outside of football then call Kaep a gimmick QB lol...

JH did do anything besides telling Alex smith to take the sack..instead of turning it over....and if you were paying attention our offensive coaching was the weak leak out all 4 years

Wow, your reading is horrible.... there was a reason I put the word "gimmick" in parentheses (you do know what those are and why they are used, right?), and why I referred to the people who called him that as "armchair GM's". I'm probably the biggest Kap supporter there is, I wanted us to trade up for him well before we drafted him.

"telling Alex to take a sack instead of turning the ball over"... so devoid of any thought it doesn't even deserve to be addressed...

Shows how clueless most of the people constantly whining on here are. You probably honest to God think that Harbaugh just pulled Alex Smith into the coaches office and sternly told him "Don't turn the ball over any more, son". And that was what led to Alex Smith posting career bests in efficiency, completion percentage, 6 GW drives in 1 season, and one of the best playoff performances ever for an NFL QB? Because "Harbaugh told him to take sacks instead of INT's".

LOL!!!!


And nowhere did I say offensive coaching wasn't an issue at all, I implied that it's hypocritical to blame him completely for offensive coaching and not give him credit for what the D did... since, ya know, people are basically accusing the players of losing respect for him and not playing hard for him anymore. But I'm sure that went over your head as well.


Just because Harbaugh's gone and our team wasn't perfect with him doesn't mean it isn't totally classless and disrespectful to take cheap shots at him and discredit him for the good things he did do.

Lol, sorry but if you're gonna attack people and try to make a point, please at least know what you're talking about. " " Those are called quotes, ( ) those are called parentheses. So you sorta just proved that you don't know what they are and why they're used. Sorry, I just couldn't let that go lol. I do agree with some of the stuff you said though, for the record