Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by crake49:
At least one angle showed that the ball was there too. The Niners got screwed on that play.

The fact is though, the game should never have been that close to begin with. I remember seeing film of Bill Walsh addressing his team after they lost the perfect season on a horrid PI call. Bill Walsh said, and I'm paraphrasing, "the refs are all incompetent morons, they don't know a ---- thing. So, because of that, we have to overcome that and never let a game come down to a referee's call."

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by crake49:
At least one angle showed that the ball was there too. The Niners got screwed on that play.

The fact is though, the game should never have been that close to begin with. I remember seeing film of Bill Walsh addressing his team after they lost the perfect season on a horrid PI call. Bill Walsh said, and I'm paraphrasing, "the refs are all incompetent morons, they don't know a ---- thing. So, because of that, we have to overcome that and never let a game come down to a referee's call."

True!

And that was a horrible call. Without it, the Niners would have been 19-0 way back in the mid 80's and there would be no more talk about those pretenders in Miami. I think that Dolphins team played one team with a winning percentage that year - as opposed to the '84 Niners who had a horrendous schedule.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Don't mean to argue, but it doesn't matter if the ball was caught with both knees in the endzone. If the ball hasn't crossed the goal, then it's not a TD.

At least one angle showed that the ball was there too. The Niners got screwed on that play.

Yes I remember clearly seeing a picture and getting pissed because the ball and his knees were over the goal line with full possession, yet no TD. Niners got screwed a lot last year and that was just 1 huge play of several that helped them lose games to sink to 8-8

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Wow, this fan base is really disgusting sometimes. It's a shame being associated with such ungrateful fans that can't appreciate the hard work coaches and players put in for that kind of success.

Oh, you're just "supposed" to go to 3 straight NFCCG's? Ever, let alone in your first crack at being a Head Coach, with close to the same exact roster that failed to reach .500 without you?

If it's "so easy" to get the title game that many times in a row... why is it that only a handful of teams have done so in the 60+ year history of the NFL?

And for those of you who don't pay attention the NFL outside of football, the reality of the matter is that almost ALL starting NFL QB's - even super stars like Brees, Brady, Peyton - all have and most of them still DO work with a QB coach in the off-season. So please stop with these trash comments that "Harbaugh isn't a good QB developer" because Colin Kaepernick "regressed" as a passer behind an injury riddled OL that couldn't block, and throwing to 1 competent, HEALTHY target last year in Anquan Boldin.

Nevermind the fact that the Jim Harbaugh took a run-first college QB that most analysts and armchair GM's wrote off as a "gimmick QB" and helped pretty much turn him into a star instantly...

This is what you call giving credit where it's due.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by crake49:
At least one angle showed that the ball was there too. The Niners got screwed on that play.

The fact is though, the game should never have been that close to begin with. I remember seeing film of Bill Walsh addressing his team after they lost the perfect season on a horrid PI call. Bill Walsh said, and I'm paraphrasing, "the refs are all incompetent morons, they don't know a ---- thing. So, because of that, we have to overcome that and never let a game come down to a referee's call."

You're right, the game should not have been that close, but at the same time this is football, and crazy sh*t happens sometimes. Sometimes the underdog either pulls off the upset or gives the better team a run for their $. It sucks when the game comes down to the refs judgment or whatever, and often times these last few years it seems the Niners get f*cked in those situations nearly every time. Even though they played pretty crappy overall last season, and had tons of injuries, blah blah blah, they were still a few plays away from going 12-4 or 13-3. I know that has been said plenty on here, but its true. It's just frustrating but I know none of it matters now

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Don't mean to argue, but it doesn't matter if the ball was caught with both knees in the endzone. If the ball hasn't crossed the goal, then it's not a TD.

At least one angle showed that the ball was there too. The Niners got screwed on that play.

Yes I remember clearly seeing a picture and getting pissed because the ball and his knees were over the goal line with full possession, yet no TD. Niners got screwed a lot last year and that was just 1 huge play of several that helped them lose games to sink to 8-8

This. There were AWFUL calls in the Cardinals, Bears, and Rams games that cost us big time. The team should not have been in that position in the first place, but you cannot dispute that if those calls aren't blown, the team is likely 11-5. Between the horrible officiating and injuries, the team was doomed last season. On the positive side, with all that went against them last season, they ended 8-8. If those things happen to an average team, they are setting up for a top 5 pick.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Most of those players on ^^^ that list are defensive players which goes to Fangio and his staff for putting them into the starting position. Harbaugh was hands off on defense. Harbaugh did inherit the same offensive players as Sing other than getting rid of Chilo. Was his offense much better than Sing's offense production wise. I'm not so sure. I think there were some key players that got better through previous experiences that helped Harbaugh run his offense. That whole offensive unit was a veteran unit that played together already for years. So the learning curve wasn't as bad even with a shorten off season. Sing's offense had been stale, in comes Harbaugh with something new, but after 3 years, the NFL caught up to it.

Can't tell if you're trying to make a point to support Harbaugh or point out that he wasn't some once in a generation genius HC.

I hope it's the latter.

Harbaugh was brought in to help the offense. The defense was already good enough to win games and was just lacking pass rush. That something certainly changed when Aldon Smith came into the picture. Addition of Whitner and Rogers was also huge for the secondary.

However as bad as things were with Singletary the offense technically got worse in 2011 at least in yards. We were 24th in yards in 2010 and dropped to 26th in 2011. Of course the big jump was in points where we went from 24th in 2010 to 11th in 2011. This however wasn't so much in a groundbreaking offense but the amazing turnover ratio we had with most of our points coming off Akers' leg and in large part due to defensive turnovers.

2012 was the one year our offense scared teams under Harbaugh and it was mostly due to defenses having no answer for Kap and us having good and different talent to work with.

As you mentioned the NFL caught up with us and Harbaugh and Roman felt just because things worked in 2012 they didn't need to change anything. That's no way to run a team.

Thank you guys, it is good to see that there are some educated, sane and rational fans that are part of this message board that can see that although last year WAS indeed disappointing, it wasn't the "disaster" that blowhards are making it out to be.

Even among all the FO/coaching turmoil...

Even amidst being without half of our Pro-Bowl talent and key starters for much of the year...

Even playing in the toughest division in the NFL...

We finished 8-8, and really 3 plays from being 11-5. A blown coverage against the Chargers, a fluke fumbled snap on a QB sneak, and a Michael Crabtree dropped TD late in the game vs. the Bears, and we would be an 11 W team in the playoffs.

Football is a game where dumb luck can make you or break you no matter how good you are. Pretty much every playoff team every year has a handful of W's that were decided by 1-2 plays that could have gone either way.

Any other coach except for maybe Bill Belichick, and we would have completely tanked and won like 4 or 5 games max.

Some of these complaints hold the rationale of an ungrateful, petulant child.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff

Rushing was ranked 8th and passing 21st, with plenty of injuries.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Thank you guys, it is good to see that there are some educated, sane and rational fans that are part of this message board that can see that although last year WAS indeed disappointing, it wasn't the "disaster" that blowhards are making it out to be.

Even among all the FO/coaching turmoil...

Even amidst being without half of our Pro-Bowl talent and key starters for much of the year...

Even playing in the toughest division in the NFL...

We finished 8-8, and really 3 plays from being 11-5. A blown coverage against the Chargers, a fluke fumbled snap on a QB sneak, and a Michael Crabtree dropped TD late in the game vs. the Bears, and we would be an 11 W team in the playoffs.

Football is a game where dumb luck can make you or break you no matter how good you are. Pretty much every playoff team every year has a handful of W's that were decided by 1-2 plays that could have gone either way.

Any other coach except for maybe Bill Belichick, and we would have completely tanked and won like 4 or 5 games max.

Some of these complaints hold the rationale of an ungrateful, petulant child.

Damn

Could you find a way to lower the boom without constantly insulting other posters?

The insults get old fast.

Originally posted by genus49:
Can't tell if you're trying to make a point to support Harbaugh or point out that he wasn't some once in a generation genius HC.

I hope it's the latter.

Harbaugh was brought in to help the offense. The defense was already good enough to win games and was just lacking pass rush. That something certainly changed when Aldon Smith came into the picture. Addition of Whitner and Rogers was also huge for the secondary.

However as bad as things were with Singletary the offense technically got worse in 2011 at least in yards. We were 24th in yards in 2010 and dropped to 26th in 2011. Of course the big jump was in points where we went from 24th in 2010 to 11th in 2011. This however wasn't so much in a groundbreaking offense but the amazing turnover ratio we had with most of our points coming off Akers' leg and in large part due to defensive turnovers.

2012 was the one year our offense scared teams under Harbaugh and it was mostly due to defenses having no answer for Kap and us having good and different talent to work with.

As you mentioned the NFL caught up with us and Harbaugh and Roman felt just because things worked in 2012 they didn't need to change anything. That's no way to run a team.

First off, Harbaugh was brought here to WIN GAMES... the same reason every other HC gets hired. And he did just that, better than any coach collectively during that first 3 year span.

Second, he DID improve the offense. We had one of the top ranked rushing offenses every year he was here, and scoring ppg was in the top 1/3 of the NFL up until last year when we were hit with the injury bug.

QB play improved dramatically, and when we NEEDED offense in big games (vs. New Orleans playoffs, @ ATL playoffs, BAL Super Bowl)... we put up offense. And even though we didn't generate a ton of offense vs. the 2012 Giants and 2013 Seahawks, maybe you should have paid attention to what the 49ers did against those teams compared to Green Bay, Atlanta, New Orleans and Denver -- all "juggernaut" offenses with "elite" QB's.

Third, Harbaugh can't magically control who gets injured or snap his fingers and put good WR talent on the team. We were working with crap talent in our WR corps up until last year outside of 1 or 2 guys... and Vernon/Crabtree were playing injured all of last year.

Fourth, I'm a little bit embarrassed for anyone that ties a direct correlation to gross passing yardage and efficacy of an offense. Not only have we been undermanned at WR, you don't put up big passing numbers when you're running the ball 50% of the time.

"Oh, but omgz, we waz betta on O-fence wit Mike Singletaryzz!" Ya, we put up bigger gross yardage numbers because we were playing from behind more and weren't a good team. When you play with a lead and have a D that chokes out your opponent week in and week out, there is no need to take unnecessary risks trying for big plays downfield.... you risk f**king everything up for the sake of fan entertainment and fun.... like the Bears game last year.

Or maybe things worked in 2012 better because Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis and the majority of our OL weren't injured for most of the year?


If you're gonna bash your own team and coaches - SUCCESSFUL coaches for SUCCESSFUL teams - it would bode well to get some facts straight and not assume that 1 or 2 vague statistics tells the whole story.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Thank you guys, it is good to see that there are some educated, sane and rational fans that are part of this message board that can see that although last year WAS indeed disappointing, it wasn't the "disaster" that blowhards are making it out to be.

Even among all the FO/coaching turmoil...

Even amidst being without half of our Pro-Bowl talent and key starters for much of the year...

Even playing in the toughest division in the NFL...

We finished 8-8, and really 3 plays from being 11-5. A blown coverage against the Chargers, a fluke fumbled snap on a QB sneak, and a Michael Crabtree dropped TD late in the game vs. the Bears, and we would be an 11 W team in the playoffs.

Football is a game where dumb luck can make you or break you no matter how good you are. Pretty much every playoff team every year has a handful of W's that were decided by 1-2 plays that could have gone either way.

Any other coach except for maybe Bill Belichick, and we would have completely tanked and won like 4 or 5 games max.

Some of these complaints hold the rationale of an ungrateful, petulant child.

Complaints ring to me as people desperately trying to defend Jed.

Going forward, I'm rooting my ass off for Tomsula, but the ragging on Harbaugh is perplexing. He's a part of 49ers' history whether some like to admit it or not.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

If you're gonna bash your own team and coaches - SUCCESSFUL coaches for SUCCESSFUL teams - it would bode well to get some facts straight and not assume that 1 or 2 vague statistics tells the whole story.

Were you satisfied with the progress of the offense over the last four years? Did you like the scheme? Did it seem a bit predictable to you? It certainly was predictable enough for NFC West defensive players to call out plays before the ball was snapped.

Originally posted by buck:

Damn

Could you find a way to lower the boom without constantly insulting other posters?

The insults get old fast.

I was wondering this, myself.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

If you're gonna bash your own team and coaches - SUCCESSFUL coaches for SUCCESSFUL teams - it would bode well to get some facts straight and not assume that 1 or 2 vague statistics tells the whole story.

Were you satisfied with the progress of the offense over the last four years? Did you like the scheme? Did it seem a bit predictable to you? It certainly was predictable enough for NFC West defensive players to call out plays before the ball was snapped.

yes, especially considering the transition to a QB like Kap. Nevermind Baalke never provided one of the most essential elements of Harbaugh's offense, some true speed (other that, what, the legend of Moss?)

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff2011

Offensive efficiency rankings:

2012: Rushing 3rd Passing 5th
2013: Rushing 14th Passing 4th
2014: Rushing 8th Passing 21st