Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by buck:
I think this is from today.

Davis said he's been running routes with Colin Kaepernick after voluntary workouts.

The 49ers tight end was pleased with his quarterback's progress following an offseason in which the fifth-year passer worked with Kurt Warner in Arizona.

"He's just trying to get better, same as me," Davis said. "I'm just trying to get better. Every year that we come back here we want to improve on something. And he's improving on whatever it is that he wants to improve on."

The tight end-quarterback relationship also appears to be growing this offseason. But it goes beyond that. Davis said the positivity is team-wide right now.

"The energy around here is fantastic," Davis said. "Guys don't want to leave. I mean I'm here. I'm still here. Normally I'd be out of here, but I just feel some great energy and working with the guys has just been great. Just being back here, it's been a little while since we've all been together. I'm just having a great time here just learning as much as I possibly can from the new staff and just taking it all in and just enjoying it."

http://www.49ers.com/news/article-2/Vernon-Davis-I-Want-to-Get-Better-I-Want-to-Win/e65bcb3a-2bb9-4ccf-b7c6-95ba77cba15f

Good read

Originally posted by buck:
Damn

Could you find a way to lower the boom without constantly insulting other posters?

The insults get old fast.

If you go back and read the posts where I'm being "insulting", the poster I was addressing almost always said something smart ass or insulting themselves... and didn't know what they were talking about on top of that.

That's fair game to be, I don't understand the expectation 1 person says something "insulting", and the person who gives a similar reply but is actually accurate is the bad guy.

Furthermore, this is a 49er FAN forum, I'm a 49er FAN... and I'm supposed to welcome inaccurate commentary bashing 49ers coaches and players that had a large hand in success?

There's a difference between "voicing a displeasure" and running players and coaches names through the mud, over inaccuracies, at that.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
If you go back and read the posts where I'm being "insulting", the poster I was addressing almost always said something smart ass or insulting themselves... and didn't know what they were talking about on top of that.

That's fair game to be, I don't understand the expectation 1 person says something "insulting", and the person who gives a similar reply but is actually accurate is the bad guy.

Furthermore, this is a 49er FAN forum, I'm a 49er FAN... and I'm supposed to welcome inaccurate commentary bashing 49ers coaches and players that had a large hand in success?

There's a difference between "voicing a displeasure" and running players and coaches names through the mud, over inaccuracies, at that.

You can't stop, can you? There are legit points to be made in support of Harbaugh and against him. If someone uses points you disagree with, that doesn't make them wrong; it means you disagree. Insulting someone for disagreeing with you will generally result in you having conversations in the forums with yourself, or other posters who do the same and happen to agree with you at the moment. Once you disagree with them, that ends, too.

If some of the more level-headed posters in the forum (including a mod) encourage you to rethink how you address other fans, you might consider changing your tone, rather than defending it.

It is fair to say that Harbaugh changed the culture to the point that perrenial losers expected to win. It is fair to say that the offense and scoring improved. It is fair to say that he oversaw a resurgence of Alex Smith's career and the emergence of Colin Kaepernick's. It is fair to say this team won a uncommon number of games. It is fair to say that the momentum he provided to the team helped get a new stadium built. It is fair to say that the 49ers were SB contenders during his tenure. It is fair to say he assembled a staff that featured some very good coaches.

It is also fair to say that the team he took oer had been under achieving under one of the most under-qualified, incompetent HCs in recent memory. It is also fair to say that Aldon Smith was a dramatic addition to the team that was not available to previous defenses, and that the emergence of Navorro Bowman was as much about talent as it was coaching. It is also fair to say that the 2011 team almost set a record for points:yards ratio, indicating that the defense and special teams provided nearly historically good field position, and that Akers turned few yards into consistent points. It is also fair to say that he helped contribute to division on the team by allowing the players to dress in separate locker rooms. It is also fair to say that he and Roman presided over a 2014 offense that became so frustratingly ineffective in the second half of games that one of the team leaders complained openly about "dumb techniques, dumb schemes."

Again, fair points on both sides. I have my opinions, and they are usually pretty evident. Doesn't make me or the people who disagree with me stupid.

I think that is great that Vernon Davis is putting in extra hours with Kaepernick.

That should help Kaepernick passing game.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
"Oh, but omgz, we waz betta on O-fence wit Mike Singletaryzz!" Ya, we put up bigger gross yardage numbers because we were playing from behind more and weren't a good team. When you play with a lead and have a D that chokes out your opponent week in and week out, there is no need to take unnecessary risks trying for big plays downfield.... you risk f**king everything up for the sake of fan entertainment and fun.... like the Bears game last year.

Or maybe things worked in 2012 better because Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis and the majority of our OL weren't injured for most of the year?


If you're gonna bash your own team and coaches - SUCCESSFUL coaches for SUCCESSFUL teams - it would bode well to get some facts straight and not assume that 1 or 2 vague statistics tells the whole story.

Well part of the whole story is in 2009 we went 8-8 and in 2010 we were not a bad team. It looked like the year we were going to finally go to the playoffs. Then we went like 0-6 to start the season or some crap like that. That team could have went to the playoffs if they had better coaching. Great talent just couldn't show it on the field. The way the 2010 heart break went made 2011 that much sweeter.

I was working for my landlord that year and every week we would talk about the upcoming games and he would tell me how we were gonna lose. Yet damn near every week I would come back like...

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

If some of the more level-headed posters in the forum (including a mod) encourage you to rethink how you address other fans, you might consider changing your tone, rather than defending it.

Eloquently spoken.

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:


If some of the more level-headed posters in the forum (including a mod) encourage you to rethink how you address other fans, you might consider changing your tone, rather than defending it.

Eloquently spoken.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by buck:
Damn

Could you find a way to lower the boom without constantly insulting other posters?

The insults get old fast.

If you go back and read the posts where I'm being "insulting", the poster I was addressing almost always said something smart ass or insulting themselves... and didn't know what they were talking about on top of that.

That's fair game to be, I don't understand the expectation 1 person says something "insulting", and the person who gives a similar reply but is actually accurate is the bad guy.

Furthermore, this is a 49er FAN forum, I'm a 49er FAN... and I'm supposed to welcome inaccurate commentary bashing 49ers coaches and players that had a large hand in success?

There's a difference between "voicing a displeasure" and running players and coaches names through the mud, over inaccuracies, at that.

I may be wrong but it seems that you tend to insult people in almost every thread that you post in.

The tone and tenor of your posts just irritates me.

This place becomes toxic very fast.

I feel that we should attempt to avoid that toxicity.

But, hey you can post however you please.

I am hardly a moderator.

Originally posted by crake49:
Were you satisfied with the progress of the offense over the last four years? Did you like the scheme? Did it seem a bit predictable to you? It certainly was predictable enough for NFC West defensive players to call out plays before the ball was snapped.

These are fair questions. I thank you for asking my opinion like an adult and not making assumptions. The world isn't black and white, so you can find pros and cons in everything.

1) You can only ask so much for coaches... at the end of the day, PLAYERS have to execute and make plays. Fact of the matter is, there was a mix of both bad luck bringing in WR talent, and when we DID have Boldin/Crabtree/Davis, the times they were on the field together were few and far between.

You can't blame Jim Harbaugh when the best the FO could give him for a #2 WR was an out of shape Braylon Edwards or a washed up Randy Moss

You can't blame Jim Harbaugh for Michael Crabtree only being able to put together ONE healthy, productive season in his entire career.

You can't blame Jim Harbaugh for Trent Baalke taking a shot on AJ Jenkins and throwing up an air ball

But let's look at when Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis were all on the field and HEALTHY at the same time - we go 9-1 to end the 2013 season, including 9 straight W's, our only L came to eventual SB champs Seattle, and our offense put up more points and gave a closer game than New Orleans and Denver in those same playoffs.

2) To be fair, there are things that I was very dissatisfied with about the offense

* Refusal to run screens and get the RB's the ball in space

* Too many route combos with all verticals and no check down when you don't have a line built to pass block

* Too many deep routes for slow WR's like Boldin and Crabtree

* Felt the playcalling in the RZ was far too conservative

* Far too many games where Vernon Davis, our only big play threat and receiver that demands a double team, being used as a decoy

These are all very fair and accurate criticisms of the offense. Just because I'm not childishly throwing a temper tantrum about the offense doesn't mean I felt there was nothing wrong with it.

3) The scheme was conducive to winning, so yes, I liked it. I could care less about the number of TD's and passing yards you get, you can't emphasize wearing out the clock and putting up a ton of yardage, it's one or the other. If you look back at the ORIGINAL West Coast Offense ran by the early 80's 49ers, it was a BALL CONTROL offense- Joe Montana wasn't throwing for 300+ yards a game, or throwing 30-40 TD's a year. Winning football is not necessarily entertaining football, and vice versa. See Stafford, Matthew for further reference.

4) Yes, at times the scheme did seem a bit predictable... but you can't just discount the games where we had big time offensive performances, and when plays don't work, it's not always on the coaches. FOR SURE, there were some wtf games called from Roman, but if the OL blocks a bit longer, players don't drop balls, QB doesn't miss an open WR... some of those plays seem less "predictable".

So to be fair, I agree with you that there were some bad games called and predictable, but you have to be fair and also look at games against the Saints, Falcons and Ravens in the playoffs where our offense exploded when it absolutely needed to.

You also have to ask yourself THIS question - If Kap doesn't force the ball to a blanketed Michael Crabtree at Seattle, or if Gore doesn't miss the blitz pick up on 4th down vs. the Ravens, forcing Kap to throw the pass a split second too early to a PI'd Crabtree in the Super Bowl... are we talking about how predictable Roman is? Likely not, because he would have been the OC on at least 1 Super Bowl winning team.

5) I don't doubt that NFC West players caught on to our signals and such, and while Roman/Harbaugh DO deserve some criticism over that...

you don't just can the winningest HC in the NFL without a Super Bowl the last 3 years because divisional opponents of teams with GREAT, veteran coaches, figured out your signals for a couple games.


Just to reiterate, I think some of these criticisms are fair... but when you factor in all the positives that came out of it and how much success it brought us, it's irrational and childish to take the criticisms to the extreme that you hear people taking them.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by crake49:

Were you satisfied with the progress of the offense over the last four years? Did you like the scheme? Did it seem a bit predictable to you? It certainly was predictable enough for NFC West defensive players to call out plays before the ball was snapped.

These are fair questions. I thank you for asking my opinion like an adult and not making assumptions. The world isn't black and white, so you can find pros and cons in everything.

1) You can only ask so much for coaches... at the end of the day, PLAYERS have to execute and make plays. Fact of the matter is, there was a mix of both bad luck bringing in WR talent, and when we DID have Boldin/Crabtree/Davis, the times they were on the field together were few and far between.

You can't blame Jim Harbaugh when the best the FO could give him for a #2 WR was an out of shape Braylon Edwards or a washed up Randy Moss

You can't blame Jim Harbaugh for Michael Crabtree only being able to put together ONE healthy, productive season in his entire career.

You can't blame Jim Harbaugh for Trent Baalke taking a shot on AJ Jenkins and throwing up an air ball

But let's look at when Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis were all on the field and HEALTHY at the same time - we go 9-1 to end the 2013 season, including 9 straight W's, our only L came to eventual SB champs Seattle, and our offense put up more points and gave a closer game than New Orleans and Denver in those same playoffs.

2) To be fair, there are things that I was very dissatisfied with about the offense

* Refusal to run screens and get the RB's the ball in space

* Too many route combos with all verticals and no check down when you don't have a line built to pass block

* Too many deep routes for slow WR's like Boldin and Crabtree

* Felt the playcalling in the RZ was far too conservative

* Far too many games where Vernon Davis, our only big play threat and receiver that demands a double team, being used as a decoy

These are all very fair and accurate criticisms of the offense. Just because I'm not childishly throwing a temper tantrum about the offense doesn't mean I felt there was nothing wrong with it.

3) The scheme was conducive to winning, so yes, I liked it. I could care less about the number of TD's and passing yards you get, you can't emphasize wearing out the clock and putting up a ton of yardage, it's one or the other. If you look back at the ORIGINAL West Coast Offense ran by the early 80's 49ers, it was a BALL CONTROL offense- Joe Montana wasn't throwing for 300+ yards a game, or throwing 30-40 TD's a year. Winning football is not necessarily entertaining football, and vice versa. See Stafford, Matthew for further reference.

4) Yes, at times the scheme did seem a bit predictable... but you can't just discount the games where we had big time offensive performances, and when plays don't work, it's not always on the coaches. FOR SURE, there were some wtf games called from Roman, but if the OL blocks a bit longer, players don't drop balls, QB doesn't miss an open WR... some of those plays seem less "predictable".

So to be fair, I agree with you that there were some bad games called and predictable, but you have to be fair and also look at games against the Saints, Falcons and Ravens in the playoffs where our offense exploded when it absolutely needed to.

You also have to ask yourself THIS question - If Kap doesn't force the ball to a blanketed Michael Crabtree at Seattle, or if Gore doesn't miss the blitz pick up on 4th down vs. the Ravens, forcing Kap to throw the pass a split second too early to a PI'd Crabtree in the Super Bowl... are we talking about how predictable Roman is? Likely not, because he would have been the OC on at least 1 Super Bowl winning team.

5) I don't doubt that NFC West players caught on to our signals and such, and while Roman/Harbaugh DO deserve some criticism over that...

you don't just can the winningest HC in the NFL without a Super Bowl the last 3 years because divisional opponents of teams with GREAT, veteran coaches, figured out your signals for a couple games.


Just to reiterate, I think some of these criticisms are fair... but when you factor in all the positives that came out of it and how much success it brought us, it's irrational and childish to take the criticisms to the extreme that you hear people taking them.

Cons definetly outweighed the pros

Here are some recent comments by Boldin


On Kap:

To be honest with you I think he just has to block out everything else around him, stop listening to what people want, what people have to say about you, stop listening to what people want to see you do and just be yourself. I think sometimes when you try to go off the suggestions of other people and try to please other people, you forget who you are and what got you there. I think if he just goes out and be himself, that he will be just fine. And that's the thing I try to tell him. "Go out and be Kap. Don't try to go out and be anybody else because that isn't what got you to this point."

On if Kap is playing like he used to with the instincts:

To be honest with you, I can't answer that as far as what's going on in his head. That's something that you have to ask him specifically.

But I do know, or I try to reassure him that he's good enough to be in the NFL. I mean I saw him, I played against him in the Super Bowl, so I know that he's talented enough to be in this league and to play well in this league. And like I said, you don't have to, sometimes you just have to block everything else around you out and just go back to being yourself. Trust your skills, trust the athletic ability that you have and just go for it.

Originally posted by buck:
I may be wrong but it seems that you tend to insult people in almost every thread that you post in.

The tone and tenor of your posts just irritates me.

This place becomes toxic very fast.

I feel that we should attempt to avoid that toxicity.

But, hey you can post however you please.

I am hardly a moderator.

They irritate you because you don't agree with me and I'm good at breaking down facts to illustrate that I'm correct. Sorry if that sounds cocky, but people don't like being wrong, even if they truly are.

Look at my post right above this one- the guy clearly doesn't agree with me, and I answered his questions politely. Just like I have with other posters that come at me the same way about players in the draft section.

I don't mean to be rude, but I'm also not gonna be kind to someone whose being rude/smart themselves and is spewing non-sense.

If I was wrong, everybody would just be laughing at me and not taking me seriously. It pisses people off when someone wins and there isn't anything they can do about it -- Same reason why so many people hated Jim Harbaugh

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by crake49:
Were you satisfied with the progress of the offense over the last four years? Did you like the scheme? Did it seem a bit predictable to you? It certainly was predictable enough for NFC West defensive players to call out plays before the ball was snapped.

These are fair questions. I thank you for asking my opinion like an adult and not making assumptions. The world isn't black and white, so you can find pros and cons in everything.

1) You can only ask so much for coaches... at the end of the day, PLAYERS have to execute and make plays. Fact of the matter is, there was a mix of both bad luck bringing in WR talent, and when we DID have Boldin/Crabtree/Davis, the times they were on the field together were few and far between.

You can't blame Jim Harbaugh when the best the FO could give him for a #2 WR was an out of shape Braylon Edwards or a washed up Randy Moss

You can't blame Jim Harbaugh for Michael Crabtree only being able to put together ONE healthy, productive season in his entire career.

You can't blame Jim Harbaugh for Trent Baalke taking a shot on AJ Jenkins and throwing up an air ball

But let's look at when Anquan Boldin, Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis were all on the field and HEALTHY at the same time - we go 9-1 to end the 2013 season, including 9 straight W's, our only L came to eventual SB champs Seattle, and our offense put up more points and gave a closer game than New Orleans and Denver in those same playoffs.

2) To be fair, there are things that I was very dissatisfied with about the offense

* Refusal to run screens and get the RB's the ball in space

* Too many route combos with all verticals and no check down when you don't have a line built to pass block

* Too many deep routes for slow WR's like Boldin and Crabtree

* Felt the playcalling in the RZ was far too conservative

* Far too many games where Vernon Davis, our only big play threat and receiver that demands a double team, being used as a decoy

These are all very fair and accurate criticisms of the offense. Just because I'm not childishly throwing a temper tantrum about the offense doesn't mean I felt there was nothing wrong with it.

3) The scheme was conducive to winning, so yes, I liked it. I could care less about the number of TD's and passing yards you get, you can't emphasize wearing out the clock and putting up a ton of yardage, it's one or the other. If you look back at the ORIGINAL West Coast Offense ran by the early 80's 49ers, it was a BALL CONTROL offense- Joe Montana wasn't throwing for 300+ yards a game, or throwing 30-40 TD's a year. Winning football is not necessarily entertaining football, and vice versa. See Stafford, Matthew for further reference.

4) Yes, at times the scheme did seem a bit predictable... but you can't just discount the games where we had big time offensive performances, and when plays don't work, it's not always on the coaches. FOR SURE, there were some wtf games called from Roman, but if the OL blocks a bit longer, players don't drop balls, QB doesn't miss an open WR... some of those plays seem less "predictable".

So to be fair, I agree with you that there were some bad games called and predictable, but you have to be fair and also look at games against the Saints, Falcons and Ravens in the playoffs where our offense exploded when it absolutely needed to.

You also have to ask yourself THIS question - If Kap doesn't force the ball to a blanketed Michael Crabtree at Seattle, or if Gore doesn't miss the blitz pick up on 4th down vs. the Ravens, forcing Kap to throw the pass a split second too early to a PI'd Crabtree in the Super Bowl... are we talking about how predictable Roman is? Likely not, because he would have been the OC on at least 1 Super Bowl winning team.

5) I don't doubt that NFC West players caught on to our signals and such, and while Roman/Harbaugh DO deserve some criticism over that...

you don't just can the winningest HC in the NFL without a Super Bowl the last 3 years because divisional opponents of teams with GREAT, veteran coaches, figured out your signals for a couple games.


Just to reiterate, I think some of these criticisms are fair... but when you factor in all the positives that came out of it and how much success it brought us, it's irrational and childish to take the criticisms to the extreme that you hear people taking them.

When speaking to the Bay Area press last week, Colin Kaepernick revealed his thoughts on one of the top prospects in this year's draft.Missouri wideout Dorial Green-Beckham

"Great talent," said the San Francisco 49ers quarterback who trained with receiver in Arizona this offseason. "Everything I saw of him, he was working hard, doing things well. Looks like a great prospect.".

http://www.49ers.com/news/blog/article-2/The-Latest-Draft-Talk-on-Marcus-Mariota-Dorial-Green-Beckham-and-Other-Top-Prospects/5540caa7-78b3-42ae-a92a-ecc80e21a2d9

One of my favorite .gifs of all time: