Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
And I do not need to know you to know

OK. You do not think that you need to know me to know me.

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Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:
Man these QB specific threads sure do get heated lol

Well, if kap didn't suck sweaty donkey balls when asked to throw the ball, then it would be more level in here.

Edit: He worked with warner this offseason, he is magically approaching serviceable, I mean at least average if not better status until further notice.

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
And I do not need to know you to know

OK. You do not think that you need to know me to know me.

FIFY

Originally posted by fister30:
Well, if kap didn't suck sweaty donkey balls when asked to throw the ball, then it would be more level in here.

Edit: He worked with warner this offseason, he is magically approaching serviceable, I mean at least average if not better status until further notice.

Originally posted by fister30:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Man these QB specific threads sure do get heated lol

Well, if kap didn't suck sweaty donkey balls when asked to throw the ball, then it would be more level in here.

Edit: He worked with warner this offseason, he is magically approaching serviceable, I mean at least average if not better status until further notice.

Hoping to be Serviceable is like what you asked of the prior QB , kaep already proved That he is a top 5 QB with a healthy ol

Lol he just helped further illustrate my point

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
And I do not need to know you to know

OK. You do not think that you need to know me to know me.

Why don't you just stick to addressing his arguments, instead of snide little comments like this. You know, 'cause you're so worried about the toxicity of the thread.

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
And I do not need to know you to know

OK. You do not think that you need to know me to know me.

Why don't you just stick to addressing his arguments, instead of snide little comments like this. You know, 'cause you're so worried about the toxicity of the thread.

My response was to one of his statements.

One of his arguments was that he did not need to know me in order for him to explain why I posted my remarks. He claimed that he could do so because he understood human nature.

Given his argument, my response seems appropriate.

Do you agree with his argument that he can understand my motives (perhaps any poster's motives) for posting because he understands human nature?



edit: I went through the entire thread.

Most of lowertheboom's posts in this thread have been about Jim Harbaugh or what posters have said about Jim Harbaugh.

I have not agreed or disagreed with any of his comments about Jim Harbaugh or his defense of Jim Harbaugh.

I do not feel a need to engage in that debate at this time or in this thread.

The thread is a Colin Kaepernick thread and this ongoing debate about Jim Harbaugh, as interesting as it is, just seems out of place.

There is a new year coming. Kaepernick has started 39 regular season games and 6 play-off games in his career.

Coaches and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses.

Here are Kaepernick's win and loss percentages.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
First off, Harbaugh was brought here to WIN GAMES... the same reason every other HC gets hired. And he did just that, better than any coach collectively during that first 3 year span.

Second, he DID improve the offense. We had one of the top ranked rushing offenses every year he was here, and scoring ppg was in the top 1/3 of the NFL up until last year when we were hit with the injury bug.

QB play improved dramatically, and when we NEEDED offense in big games (vs. New Orleans playoffs, @ ATL playoffs, BAL Super Bowl)... we put up offense. And even though we didn't generate a ton of offense vs. the 2012 Giants and 2013 Seahawks, maybe you should have paid attention to what the 49ers did against those teams compared to Green Bay, Atlanta, New Orleans and Denver -- all "juggernaut" offenses with "elite" QB's.

Third, Harbaugh can't magically control who gets injured or snap his fingers and put good WR talent on the team. We were working with crap talent in our WR corps up until last year outside of 1 or 2 guys... and Vernon/Crabtree were playing injured all of last year.

Fourth, I'm a little bit embarrassed for anyone that ties a direct correlation to gross passing yardage and efficacy of an offense. Not only have we been undermanned at WR, you don't put up big passing numbers when you're running the ball 50% of the time.

"Oh, but omgz, we waz betta on O-fence wit Mike Singletaryzz!" Ya, we put up bigger gross yardage numbers because we were playing from behind more and weren't a good team. When you play with a lead and have a D that chokes out your opponent week in and week out, there is no need to take unnecessary risks trying for big plays downfield.... you risk f**king everything up for the sake of fan entertainment and fun.... like the Bears game last year.

Or maybe things worked in 2012 better because Michael Crabtree, Vernon Davis and the majority of our OL weren't injured for most of the year?


If you're gonna bash your own team and coaches - SUCCESSFUL coaches for SUCCESSFUL teams - it would bode well to get some facts straight and not assume that 1 or 2 vague statistics tells the whole story.

Harbaugh was brought in to win games yes, he did that. My question to people like you is why are you pretending last year didn't happen?

All Jim had to do was change. The NFL caught up to what we were doing on offense and our defense could only do so much especially when plagued with injuries. You blame last year on injuries but the offense for the most part was fairly healthy. The defense while suffering serious injuries or suspensions was still a top 10 defense. And yet on offense other teams could pretty much predict what we were planning on doing.

And it's not about having a 5000 yard passer. It's about having a competent passing game because at some point you cannot run the ball and you need to throw. We had a square peg round hole offense out there. Boldin and Bruce Miller running deep routes. Guys with speed sitting on the bench twiddling their thumbs just because they don't have 5+ years in the league.

You want to see a smart winner? Look at Jim's older brother. There's a guy who gets it. Jim's ego unfortunately stopped him from being great and it's what led to the issues here.

You want to pretend that because he won all those games in the first 3 seasons that he did no wrong well feel free. Just don't foam at the mouth and go crazy when other people don't agree.

For all the good things he did there were a good amount of negatives and a change needed to be made because he refused to fix the negatives. The guy is a hot head and sometimes that's good...sometimes it's not.

If you think this team would've been better off if we fired Baalke and given Harbaugh all the personnel control then there's no use talking to you.

Oy. He's not here. Let it go.

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:
Oy. He's not here. Let it go.

Danka!

Originally posted by PrisonOfGlass:
Oy. He's not here. Let it go.

Sorry i don't have my banned notifications turned on...

There are plenty of people on here who like to pretend that Harbaugh did no wrong. Those comments work for them just the same.

I see nothing wrong with giving Harbaugh his credit for helping this franchise get out of the gutter but to pretend the guy didn't have his flaws which he refused to correct is just silly. The worship for the guy suddenly was just straight up insane to the point where people thought if he was around Willis and Borland wouldn't retire or all of our key free agents would've suddenly taken much less money to stay here.

No matter how well you start you have to stay ahead of the competition and Harbaugh refused to do that. Whether it was his ego or inability to do it is another story but the team was trending down with him and a change had to be made. Harbaugh with full control would have been a quick way back to dark days.

It remains to be seen what this new coaching staff can do but given the "what have you done for me lately" way of thinking I trust Baalke much more as a GM with another HC in place than I do Harbaugh as a HC/GM.

Originally posted by genus49:
Harbaugh was brought in to win games yes, he did that. My question to people like you is why are you pretending last year didn't happen?

All Jim had to do was change. The NFL caught up to what we were doing on offense and our defense could only do so much especially when plagued with injuries. You blame last year on injuries but the offense for the most part was fairly healthy. The defense while suffering serious injuries or suspensions was still a top 10 defense. And yet on offense other teams could pretty much predict what we were planning on doing.

And it's not about having a 5000 yard passer. It's about having a competent passing game because at some point you cannot run the ball and you need to throw. We had a square peg round hole offense out there. Boldin and Bruce Miller running deep routes. Guys with speed sitting on the bench twiddling their thumbs just because they don't have 5+ years in the league.

You want to see a smart winner? Look at Jim's older brother. There's a guy who gets it. Jim's ego unfortunately stopped him from being great and it's what led to the issues here.

You want to pretend that because he won all those games in the first 3 seasons that he did no wrong well feel free. Just don't foam at the mouth and go crazy when other people don't agree.

For all the good things he did there were a good amount of negatives and a change needed to be made because he refused to fix the negatives. The guy is a hot head and sometimes that's good...sometimes it's not.

If you think this team would've been better off if we fired Baalke and given Harbaugh all the personnel control then there's no use talking to you.

I think the bold can be said about our quarterback too, but people like to cite Kap's regular and postseason record as if it tells the entire story. Just look at buck's post above yours..."Coaches and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses. Here are Kaepernick's win and loss percentages." Where is the credit for the coaching staff?

Also, I don't think that changing, as you propose, is as easy as you make it sound. Most people can see that this team was limited by other factors in addition to a certain degree of coaching ineptitude. At some point, coaching goes out the window and the players have to execute. Our guys didn't, but this forum likes to put a grossly disproportionate amount of the blame on coaching. To me, it seems like classic scapegoating as the guy was being pushed out for other reasons.

Here are some more numbers for Kaepernick.




It would be nice to see these numbers improve, although his career interception percentage is quite good.