Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by genus49:
Harbaugh was brought in to win games yes, he did that. My question to people like you is why are you pretending last year didn't happen?

All Jim had to do was change. The NFL caught up to what we were doing on offense and our defense could only do so much especially when plagued with injuries. You blame last year on injuries but the offense for the most part was fairly healthy. The defense while suffering serious injuries or suspensions was still a top 10 defense. And yet on offense other teams could pretty much predict what we were planning on doing.

And it's not about having a 5000 yard passer. It's about having a competent passing game because at some point you cannot run the ball and you need to throw. We had a square peg round hole offense out there. Boldin and Bruce Miller running deep routes. Guys with speed sitting on the bench twiddling their thumbs just because they don't have 5+ years in the league.

You want to see a smart winner? Look at Jim's older brother. There's a guy who gets it. Jim's ego unfortunately stopped him from being great and it's what led to the issues here.

You want to pretend that because he won all those games in the first 3 seasons that he did no wrong well feel free. Just don't foam at the mouth and go crazy when other people don't agree.

For all the good things he did there were a good amount of negatives and a change needed to be made because he refused to fix the negatives. The guy is a hot head and sometimes that's good...sometimes it's not.

If you think this team would've been better off if we fired Baalke and given Harbaugh all the personnel control then there's no use talking to you.

I think the bold can be said about our quarterback too, but people like to cite Kap's regular and postseason record as if it tells the entire story. Just look at buck's post above yours..."Coaches and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses. Here are Kaepernick's win and loss percentages." Where is the credit for the coaching staff?

Also, I don't think that changing, as you propose, is as easy as you make it sound. Most people can see that this team was limited by other factors in addition to a certain degree of coaching ineptitude. At some point, coaching goes out the window and the players have to execute. Our guys didn't, but this forum likes to put a grossly disproportionate amount of the blame on coaching. To me, it seems like classic scapegoating as the guy was being pushed out for other reasons.

Totally agree

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I think the bold can be said about our quarterback too, but people like to cite Kap's regular and postseason record as if it tells the entire story. Just look at buck's post above yours..."Coaches and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses. Here are Kaepernick's win and loss percentages." Where is the credit for the coaching staff?

I should have said head coaches, not just coaches, and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses.

Sorry about that. I was thinking of head coaches. I should have been more clear. Only the head coach is credited with wins and losses, not the entire coaching staff. I thought that was well understood, but as I said I should have more clear.

I posted Kaepernick's career win-loss record. This thread is about Colin Kaepernick.

Harbaugh's (or his coaching staff's) win-loss record is not the same as Kaepernick's.

It sounds like my mentioning Kaepernick's career win-loss record bothers you.

By the way, I never said or implied that Kaepernick's win-loss record told the whole story.

Not sure where you got that impression.

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I think the bold can be said about our quarterback too, but people like to cite Kap's regular and postseason record as if it tells the entire story. Just look at buck's post above yours..."Coaches and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses. Here are Kaepernick's win and loss percentages." Where is the credit for the coaching staff?

I should have said head coaches, not just coaches, and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses.


Sorry about that. I was thinking of head coaches. I should have been more clear. .

I posted Kaepernick's career win-loss record. This thread is about Colin Kaepernick.

Harbaugh's win-loss record is not the same as Kaepernick's.

It sounds like my lack of mention of Harbaugh's career win-loss record bothers you.

By the way, I never said or implied that Kaepernick's win-loss record told the whole story.

Not sure where you got that impression.

Nothing bothers me about your post; no need to apologize. Just calling the inconsistency like I see it. And I'm not going to play the deliberately-obtuse game with you.

By the way, my point about your post was that you say coaches and quarterbacks are credited with wins and losses and then go on to credit only Kaepernick (not the coaches) for the record. That is the inconsistency I was commenting on.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I think the bold can be said about our quarterback too, but people like to cite Kap's regular and postseason record as if it tells the entire story. Just look at buck's post above yours..."Coaches and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses. Here are Kaepernick's win and loss percentages." Where is the credit for the coaching staff?

I should have said head coaches, not just coaches, and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses.


Sorry about that. I was thinking of head coaches. I should have been more clear. .

I posted Kaepernick's career win-loss record. This thread is about Colin Kaepernick.

Harbaugh's win-loss record is not the same as Kaepernick's.

It sounds like my lack of mention of Harbaugh's career win-loss record bothers you.

By the way, I never said or implied that Kaepernick's win-loss record told the whole story.

Not sure where you got that impression.

Nothing bothers me about your post. Just calling the inconsistency like I see it. And I'm not going to play the deliberately-obtuse game with you.

OK. Thanks.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I think the bold can be said about our quarterback too, but people like to cite Kap's regular and postseason record as if it tells the entire story. Just look at buck's post above yours..."Coaches and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses. Here are Kaepernick's win and loss percentages." Where is the credit for the coaching staff?

I should have said head coaches, not just coaches, and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses.


Sorry about that. I was thinking of head coaches. I should have been more clear. .

I posted Kaepernick's career win-loss record. This thread is about Colin Kaepernick.

Harbaugh's win-loss record is not the same as Kaepernick's.

It sounds like my lack of mention of Harbaugh's career win-loss record bothers you.

By the way, I never said or implied that Kaepernick's win-loss record told the whole story.

Not sure where you got that impression.

Nothing bothers me about your post; no need to apologize. Just calling the inconsistency like I see it. And I'm not going to play the deliberately-obtuse game with you.

By the way, my point about your post was that you say coaches and quarterbacks are credited with wins and losses and then go on to credit only Kaepernick (not the coaches) for the record. That is the inconsistency I was commenting on.

I should have said "head coaches." It would have been more precise.

In general, the only people credited with a team's wins and losses are head coaches and quarterbacks.

And clearly, the win-loss record does not tell the whole story. Did you really think that I think that it does?

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
I think the bold can be said about our quarterback too, but people like to cite Kap's regular and postseason record as if it tells the entire story. Just look at buck's post above yours..."Coaches and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses. Here are Kaepernick's win and loss percentages." Where is the credit for the coaching staff?

I should have said head coaches, not just coaches, and quarterbacks, right or wrong, are credited with team wins and team losses.


Sorry about that. I was thinking of head coaches. I should have been more clear. .

I posted Kaepernick's career win-loss record. This thread is about Colin Kaepernick.

Harbaugh's win-loss record is not the same as Kaepernick's.

It sounds like my lack of mention of Harbaugh's career win-loss record bothers you.

By the way, I never said or implied that Kaepernick's win-loss record told the whole story.

Not sure where you got that impression.

Nothing bothers me about your post; no need to apologize. Just calling the inconsistency like I see it. And I'm not going to play the deliberately-obtuse game with you.

By the way, my point about your post was that you say coaches and quarterbacks are credited with wins and losses and then go on to credit only Kaepernick (not the coaches) for the record. That is the inconsistency I was commenting on.

I should have said "head coaches." It would have been more precise.

In general, the only people credited with a team's wins and losses are head coaches and quarterbacks.

Haha yeah I understand what you were meaning to say. My suggestion is that, to be fair to your premise, your post could have said, "Here are the win and loss percentages for Kaepernick and the coaches during that time" instead of merely attributing the percentages to Kaepernick.

Now that we've thoroughly dissected it, it seems like splitting hairs...it just made sense to use as an example in the larger point I was trying to make with my initial post. Not trying to single you out.

Originally posted by buck:

And clearly, the win-loss record does not tell the whole story. Did you really think that I think that it does?

No, but the way your post began with the premise that coaches (in addition to quarterbacks) are to be credited for wins and losses and then failed to do so (by only attributing the records to Kaepernick) gave that impression.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Haha yeah I understand what you were meaning to say. My suggestion is that, to be fair to your premise, your post could have said, "Here are the win and loss percentages for Kaepernick and the coaches during that time" instead of merely attributing the percentages to Kaepernick.

Now that we've thoroughly dissected it, it seems like splitting hairs...it just made sense to use as an example in the larger point I was trying to make with my initial post. Not trying to single you out.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
No, but the way your post began with the premise that coaches (in addition to quarterbacks) are to be credited for wins and losses and then failed to do so (by only attributing the records to Kaepernick) gave that impression.

OK.

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Haha yeah I understand what you were meaning to say. My suggestion is that, to be fair to your premise, your post could have said, "Here are the win and loss percentages for Kaepernick and the coaches during that time" instead of merely attributing the percentages to Kaepernick.

Now that we've thoroughly dissected it, it seems like splitting hairs...it just made sense to use as an example in the larger point I was trying to make with my initial post. Not trying to single you out.

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

No, but the way your post began with the premise that coaches (in addition to quarterbacks) are to be credited for wins and losses and then failed to do so (by only attributing the records to Kaepernick) gave that impression.

OK.

Kaep should get more credit for the wins and losses as he had to deal with s**tty play calling

Goodness gracious, the semantics...

Head coaches and Quarterbacks are credited with the wins and losses, we know this, however, it doesn't tell the entire story.

why, because there are things that happen in the game that affect ALL of these things. It's pointless to try and flatly give credit or take credit away from HC or QB.
it is a team game.

someone said how 3 games more could have been won for an 11-5 season and a playoff berth...
but then one can actually argue that if we pull out those 3 other wins, then why would we have been the tattered team that lost to the lowly Raiders?...add another win...but then possibly take a win away in that Saints game...

its just a rabbit hole or countless possibilities based on random outcomes

at the end of the day, the record it is what it is. the team played like they played. The coaching staff had their faults, and so did the on-field product.

I'm curious to see how much better the play clock management will be this upcoming season.
It always bugged me that Harbaugh often pretended that it wasn't a problem when asked about it during interviews. Who was he trying to kid?

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:
I'm curious to see how much better the play clock management will be this upcoming season.
It always bugged me that Harbaugh often pretended that it wasn't a problem when asked about it during interviews. Who was he trying to kid?

Less pre-snap shifting around would be nice. It would not only cut down on the delay of game situations, but I think it would allow Kaepernick to get a better look and collect himself before the snap.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:
I'm curious to see how much better the play clock management will be this upcoming season.
It always bugged me that Harbaugh often pretended that it wasn't a problem when asked about it during interviews. Who was he trying to kid?

Less pre-snap shifting around would be nice. It would not only cut down on the delay of game situations, but I think it would allow Kaepernick to get a better look and collect himself before the snap.

Definitely this. He probably wouldn't feel so rushed, which would help everything. It would most likely even help the O-line so they can get up to the line and have time to figure out who they are going to block on a given play. One thing is for sure: they can only get better in this regard

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:
I'm curious to see how much better the play clock management will be this upcoming season.
It always bugged me that Harbaugh often pretended that it wasn't a problem when asked about it during interviews. Who was he trying to kid?

Less pre-snap shifting around would be nice. It would not only cut down on the delay of game situations, but I think it would allow Kaepernick to get a better look and collect himself before the snap.

Definitely this. He probably wouldn't feel so rushed, which would help everything. It would most likely even help the O-line so they can get up to the line and have time to figure out who they are going to block on a given play. One thing is for sure: they can only get better in this regard

Oh beware the saying, "it can't get worse" it almost always does But good Lord I hope not!

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:
I'm curious to see how much better the play clock management will be this upcoming season.
It always bugged me that Harbaugh often pretended that it wasn't a problem when asked about it during interviews. Who was he trying to kid?

Less pre-snap shifting around would be nice. It would not only cut down on the delay of game situations, but I think it would allow Kaepernick to get a better look and collect himself before the snap.

Definitely this. He probably wouldn't feel so rushed, which would help everything. It would most likely even help the O-line so they can get up to the line and have time to figure out who they are going to block on a given play. One thing is for sure: they can only get better in this regard

Oh beware the saying, "it can't get worse" it almost always does But good Lord I hope not!

Lol well I don't know if the clock management can get worse. Hopefully the current coaching staff is well aware of how awful they have been in recent seasons, and have a plan to fix the issue. It cant be that hard, I don't ever see any Niners' opponent who struggles to get the play off in time, and who always has to burn through their timeouts early in the 1st and 2nd half. But the Niners have been doin that for the last 4-5 years it seems.
So, good Lord I hope it doesn't get worse either, bcuz if it does, they will be completely out of timeouts by the end of the 1st and 3rd quarters every game, with even more delay of game penalties