Colin Kaepernick Thread

Friendly reminder, this is the Kap thread.

Keep the discussion about Kap, not about our current or previous coach.

Thank you.

Kap gonna do Great. He needs to be Kap and not worry about the other nonsense everyone else wants him to be. Kap is Colin which is PLENTY GOOD ENOUGH.

Originally posted by AmpLee:
You act like Kap had a pocket to pass from and failed at being effective from there. That simply wasn't the case. Maybe once he gets a consistent pocket instead of running for his life nearly every drop back, we can judge his ability to pass from the pocket. This is just one of those things parroted by the media and fans alike that has no grounding in reality.

Nobody does well in the pocket behind a line rated at #30 in pass protection. That's just football 101.

Originally posted by fister30:
We can twist reality all we want, at the end of the day we have to hope Kap does something he hasn't done so far in his career, pass the ball effectively from the pocket. I think kap is on thinner ice than what most fappers want to admit. This is why I won't be surprised if we use a higher draft choice and select his possible replacement.

If kap turns into a much better QB this year, then awesome! Good for him and the 49ers. As far as I am concerned we should have drafted a QB in last years draft unless the front office has faith in Gabbert, which again I have no faith in gabbert whatsoever.

The draft starts on April 30th----a mere 15 days from now.

I would be surprised if the 49ers use a high draft pick on a quarterback.

We will see.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by AmpLee:
You act like Kap had a pocket to pass from and failed at being effective from there. That simply wasn't the case. Maybe once he gets a consistent pocket instead of running for his life nearly every drop back, we can judge his ability to pass from the pocket. This is just one of those things parroted by the media and fans alike that has no grounding in reality.

Nobody does well in the pocket behind a line rated at #30 in pass protection. That's just football 101.

This. What I don't understand and if someone can explain I'm all ears: I've watched Kaep play with decent protection in playoff games and KILL defenses from the pocket. We saw it against Atlanta, The Super Bowl, against Green Bay in the playoffs and first game of the season and the last 9 games of 2013 to name a few. Please tell me WHAT makes people think he can't deliver from the pocket?I've watched this dude make throws from the pocket that I have NEVER seen another QB make yet for some reason some say he can't. I honestly don't get it. I have what I think are reasons why that are related to football acumen of some but I really want to know why.

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by buck:

I am positive that team will

1. Call for more passes to the running backs.
2. Get the plays in faster
3. Make better half-time adjustments

What makes you positive of these things?! Just curious.

Watch the Super Bowl and Shane Vereen you'll see why #1 will happen.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
This. What I don't understand and if someone can explain I'm all ears: I've watched Kaep play with decent protection in playoff games and KILL defenses from the pocket. We saw it against Atlanta, The Super Bowl, against Green Bay in the playoffs and first game of the season and the last 9 games of 2013 to name a few. Please tell me WHAT makes people think he can't deliver from the pocket?I've watched this dude make throws from the pocket that I have NEVER seen another QB make yet for some reason some say he can't. I honestly don't get it. I have what I think are reasons why that are related to football acumen of some but I really want to know why.

All good examples. Even from last year, think about that first Rams game in St. Louis. He wasn't sacked once. He had a pocket for most of the day. He put up three TD passes and 343 yards with no interceptions. When he has time, he usually delivers.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
This. What I don't understand and if someone can explain I'm all ears: I've watched Kaep play with decent protection in playoff games and KILL defenses from the pocket. We saw it against Atlanta, The Super Bowl, against Green Bay in the playoffs and first game of the season and the last 9 games of 2013 to name a few. Please tell me WHAT makes people think he can't deliver from the pocket?I've watched this dude make throws from the pocket that I have NEVER seen another QB make yet for some reason some say he can't. I honestly don't get it. I have what I think are reasons why that are related to football acumen of some but I really want to know why.

All good examples. Even from last year, think about that first Rams game in St. Louis. He wasn't sacked once. He had a pocket for most of the day. He put up three TD passes and 343 yards with no interceptions. When he has time, he usually delivers.

You guys are crazy to think that there's an offensive line that protects 100% of the time.

Sure it's common sense to say "give him time and he'll deliver" but the reality is that disruptive defenses do exist in the NFL, and when you face them that's when the QB/OC has to bail out the o-line.

We see the elites do it all the time. Niners needs huuuge improvements when placed in such situations (like vs Seattle).

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
This. What I don't understand and if someone can explain I'm all ears: I've watched Kaep play with decent protection in playoff games and KILL defenses from the pocket. We saw it against Atlanta, The Super Bowl, against Green Bay in the playoffs and first game of the season and the last 9 games of 2013 to name a few. Please tell me WHAT makes people think he can't deliver from the pocket?I've watched this dude make throws from the pocket that I have NEVER seen another QB make yet for some reason some say he can't. I honestly don't get it. I have what I think are reasons why that are related to football acumen of some but I really want to know why.

All good examples. Even from last year, think about that first Rams game in St. Louis. He wasn't sacked once. He had a pocket for most of the day. He put up three TD passes and 343 yards with no interceptions. When he has time, he usually delivers.

You guys are crazy to think that there's an offensive line that protects 100% of the time.

Sure it's common sense to say "give him time and he'll deliver" but the reality is that disruptive defenses do exist in the NFL, and when you face them that's when the QB/OC has to bail out the o-line.

We see the elites do it all the time. Niners needs huuuge improvements when placed in such situations (like vs Seattle).

You completely avoided their other point. Kap was done very well from the pocket before. Where you say he hasn't.

Originally posted by verb1der:
You guys are crazy to think that there's an offensive line that protects 100% of the time.

Sure it's common sense to say "give him time and he'll deliver" but the reality is that disruptive defenses do exist in the NFL, and when you face them that's when the QB/OC has to bail out the o-line.

We see the elites do it all the time. Niners needs huuuge improvements when placed in such situations (like vs Seattle).

Nobody expects 100% protection, but if you watch other teams play, you have to admit that there are a few QB's in the league who are able to stand back there without a lot of movement for many more seconds than Kaepernick normally got. Tony Romo comes to mind. I swear sometimes he'd just stand there for four or five seconds without having to move - just my observation.

I don't think you'd argue with the proposition that Kaepernick needs better pass protection and he'd be more effective if he had it.

Things that will help Kap:

• Not have our WRs lead the league in dropped passes
• Having half-way decent pass blocking
• Receivers who can separate from Dbacks
• Running a screen pass
• Having a deep threat(s) preventing Dbacks from cheating up on us
• Not running between the tackles on first down 60% of the time, leaving us 2nd and long so much.
• Having a front office not undermining the coaches/team
• Don't take away his dual threat away trying to make him a total pocket passer.
• Not bringing in multiple plays every down (simplify) and having him worrying about more than what coverage he is facing.
• Some Tight End production (like the old Vernon)
• Warner's tutelage?

I think all these things have a great chance of happening this year.

Originally posted by verb1der:
You guys are crazy to think that there's an offensive line that protects 100% of the time.

Sure it's common sense to say "give him time and he'll deliver" but the reality is that disruptive defenses do exist in the NFL, and when you face them that's when the QB/OC has to bail out the o-line.

We see the elites do it all the time. Niners needs huuuge improvements when placed in such situations (like vs Seattle).

Who in the hell ever said that "there is an offensive line that protects 100% of the time?"

I think you just put words in somebody else's mouth again.


In 2012, Kaepernick (16) and Smith (24) were sacked 40 times---which would put them at fifth most in the league..

In 2013, Kaepernick was sacked 32 times---eleventh in the league.

In 2014, Kaepernick was sacked 52 times--- second most in the league.

By the way some those elite quarterbacks have gotten sacked a lot in in the last three years.

check it out

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/sacks/year/2013

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by verb1der:
You guys are crazy to think that there's an offensive line that protects 100% of the time.

Sure it's common sense to say "give him time and he'll deliver" but the reality is that disruptive defenses do exist in the NFL, and when you face them that's when the QB/OC has to bail out the o-line.

We see the elites do it all the time. Niners needs huuuge improvements when placed in such situations (like vs Seattle).

Nobody expects 100% protection, but if you watch other teams play, you have to admit that there are a few QB's in the league who are able to stand back there without a lot of movement for many more seconds than Kaepernick normally got. Tony Romo comes to mind. I swear sometimes he'd just stand there for four or five seconds without having to move - just my observation.

I don't think you'd argue with the proposition that Kaepernick needs better pass protection and he'd be more effective if he had it.

A good example of a pocket QB helping his line is P Manning yelling at a lineman for letting his man get through to hit Manning. In other words, the emphasis is on the OL to keep Manning's uniform clean and the same should be true for any QB. I'll agree that a QB and play calling can help a line but when you have OGs turning the wrong direction and allowing rushers clean shots...that's not on the QB or coach. The ratings of linemen aren't perfect but they can see guys like Iupati and Boone whiffing.

Watch Brees sometime...not sure it's still true, but a few years ago the middle of the line never allowed penetration...none! All Brees had to do was step forward or away from the speed rusher coming from one side or another. Kaepernick had guys coming around the corners, between the C and OGs, between the OGs and OTs...everywhere with absolutely no predictabiilty.

I'm hoping the new regime will help the OL become better pass blockers and give the offense a chance to get in sync. When you know you have to make a decision immediately to get rid of the ball...you tend to hurry and miss opportunities.

Thank heavens for Gore being such a great blocker in the backfield! He made many play saving blocks over the past years.

But last year saw four centers and an injured RT. So as mediocre as Iupati was/is at pass blocking there were other factors that made it much worse!

The thing that I believe will help CK become a better QB and this is not meant to kick the guy on his way out; I think his relationship with Crabtree stunted his growth a little bit. The Super Bowl and the following NFCCG showed that he locked in and relied on his buddy a tad too much in critical situations. He can be heard telling Crabtree "your next" after the TD pass to Boldin in the Super Bowl. I think he always felt like he owed Crabtree something.

Having to utilize all of his weapons should make him a better QB this year. However, if he locks in on Boldin early we may be in the same boat.

I agree Kaep needs better pass protection but we shouldn't act like that's all he needs.

He needs to take that next step of being smarter than the defenses he faces, only then he'll be able to really carry the franchise.

I do believe he'll take a step towards that this year, but still think he's about 3 years away from having that matrix moment.