Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by fister30:
We can twist reality all we want, at the end of the day we have to hope Kap does something he hasn't done so far in his career, pass the ball effectively from the pocket. I think kap is on thinner ice than what most fappers want to admit. This is why I won't be surprised if we use a higher draft choice and select his possible replacement.

If kap turns into a much better QB this year, then awesome! Good for him and the 49ers. As far as I am concerned we should have drafted a QB in last years draft unless the front office has faith in Gabbert, which again I have no faith in gabbert whatsoever.

...have you seen the QBs coming out this year?

Here's a place to start your research...which of these guys should the niners go after to replace Kaepernick?

QBs rated above the seventh round by CBS Prospects:

1st Round
WInston
Mariota

2nd Round
Hundley

3rd Round
Petty

3/4 Round
Grayson

4/5 Round
Mannion

6th Round
Bridge

6/7 Round
Halliday

I don't recall a worse year for QBs!

Those first two are likely going to go one and two over all and they will likely not be as good as Kap, who we got a round and half later.

Exactly! So the 9ers could trade their whole draft to move up to take a lesser QB than Kaepenick...hmm...interesting strategy!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by fister30:
We can twist reality all we want, at the end of the day we have to hope Kap does something he hasn't done so far in his career, pass the ball effectively from the pocket. I think kap is on thinner ice than what most fappers want to admit. This is why I won't be surprised if we use a higher draft choice and select his possible replacement.

If kap turns into a much better QB this year, then awesome! Good for him and the 49ers. As far as I am concerned we should have drafted a QB in last years draft unless the front office has faith in Gabbert, which again I have no faith in gabbert whatsoever.

...have you seen the QBs coming out this year?

Here's a place to start your research...which of these guys should the niners go after to replace Kaepernick?

QBs rated above the seventh round by CBS Prospects:

1st Round
WInston
Mariota

2nd Round
Hundley

3rd Round
Petty

3/4 Round
Grayson

4/5 Round
Mannion

6th Round
Bridge

6/7 Round
Halliday

I don't recall a worse year for QBs!

Those first two are likely going to go one and two over all and they will likely not be as good as Kap, who we got a round and half later.

Exactly! So the 9ers could trade their whole draft to move up to take a lesser QB than Kaepenick...hmm...interesting strategy!

we should call it the Fister30 paradox

Originally posted by glorydayz:
The thing that I believe will help CK become a better QB and this is not meant to kick the guy on his way out; I think his relationship with Crabtree stunted his growth a little bit. The Super Bowl and the following NFCCG showed that he locked in and relied on his buddy a tad too much in critical situations. He can be heard telling Crabtree "your next" after the TD pass to Boldin in the Super Bowl. I think he always felt like he owed Crabtree something.

Having to utilize all of his weapons should make him a better QB this year. However, if he locks in on Boldin early we may be in the same boat.

I just realized with Crabtree being gone..... NO MORE f**kING LOCKED ON FADES IN THE ENDZONE


at least boldin is a more RELIABLE pass catcher in terms of body control and strength

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
This. What I don't understand and if someone can explain I'm all ears: I've watched Kaep play with decent protection in playoff games and KILL defenses from the pocket. We saw it against Atlanta, The Super Bowl, against Green Bay in the playoffs and first game of the season and the last 9 games of 2013 to name a few. Please tell me WHAT makes people think he can't deliver from the pocket?I've watched this dude make throws from the pocket that I have NEVER seen another QB make yet for some reason some say he can't. I honestly don't get it. I have what I think are reasons why that are related to football acumen of some but I really want to know why.

All good examples. Even from last year, think about that first Rams game in St. Louis. He wasn't sacked once. He had a pocket for most of the day. He put up three TD passes and 343 yards with no interceptions. When he has time, he usually delivers.

You guys are crazy to think that there's an offensive line that protects 100% of the time.

Sure it's common sense to say "give him time and he'll deliver" but the reality is that disruptive defenses do exist in the NFL, and when you face them that's when the QB/OC has to bail out the o-line.

We see the elites do it all the time. Niners needs huuuge improvements when placed in such situations (like vs Seattle).

No one said 100% of the time. What I'm saying is what makes people think that he can't and hasn't been really productive from the pocket? There are multiple examples of him doing so in the BIGGEST moments of a QBs career, The playoffs! I'll take it one step further, people keep saying how great Luck is yet he s**ts the bed constantly in the playoffs but somehow gets a pass?? I'm not sure if he's great or if he's Carson Palmer. They keep telling us how great he is but last time I checked the reason Peyton isn't considered the greatest is because of his playoff performances. IJS

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
we should call it the Fister30 paradox

How about the Kap-parralax? Green Lantern beware!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by fister30:
We can twist reality all we want, at the end of the day we have to hope Kap does something he hasn't done so far in his career, pass the ball effectively from the pocket. I think kap is on thinner ice than what most fappers want to admit. This is why I won't be surprised if we use a higher draft choice and select his possible replacement.

If kap turns into a much better QB this year, then awesome! Good for him and the 49ers. As far as I am concerned we should have drafted a QB in last years draft unless the front office has faith in Gabbert, which again I have no faith in gabbert whatsoever.

...have you seen the QBs coming out this year?

Here's a place to start your research...which of these guys should the niners go after to replace Kaepernick?

QBs rated above the seventh round by CBS Prospects:

1st Round
WInston
Mariota

2nd Round
Hundley

3rd Round
Petty

3/4 Round
Grayson

4/5 Round
Mannion

6th Round
Bridge

6/7 Round
Halliday

I don't recall a worse year for QBs!

Those first two are likely going to go one and two over all and they will likely not be as good as Kap, who we got a round and half later.

Exactly! So the 9ers could trade their whole draft to move up to take a lesser QB than Kaepenick...hmm...interesting strategy!

I would take mannion anywhere in the middle of the draft. I wouldn't draft up for anybody until the third or fourth. But now I'm getting into draft forum stuff.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
This. What I don't understand and if someone can explain I'm all ears: I've watched Kaep play with decent protection in playoff games and KILL defenses from the pocket. We saw it against Atlanta, The Super Bowl, against Green Bay in the playoffs and first game of the season and the last 9 games of 2013 to name a few. Please tell me WHAT makes people think he can't deliver from the pocket?I've watched this dude make throws from the pocket that I have NEVER seen another QB make yet for some reason some say he can't. I honestly don't get it. I have what I think are reasons why that are related to football acumen of some but I really want to know why.

All good examples. Even from last year, think about that first Rams game in St. Louis. He wasn't sacked once. He had a pocket for most of the day. He put up three TD passes and 343 yards with no interceptions. When he has time, he usually delivers.

You guys are crazy to think that there's an offensive line that protects 100% of the time.

Sure it's common sense to say "give him time and he'll deliver" but the reality is that disruptive defenses do exist in the NFL, and when you face them that's when the QB/OC has to bail out the o-line.

We see the elites do it all the time. Niners needs huuuge improvements when placed in such situations (like vs Seattle).

No one said 100% of the time. What I'm saying is what makes people think that he can't and hasn't been really productive from the pocket? There are multiple examples of him doing so in the BIGGEST moments of a QBs career, The playoffs! I'll take it one step further, people keep saying how great Luck is yet he s**ts the bed constantly in the playoffs but somehow gets a pass?? I'm not sure if he's great or if he's Carson Palmer. They keep telling us how great he is but last time I checked the reason Peyton isn't considered the greatest is because of his playoff performances. IJS

Yeah, not sure how anybody misunderstood this into thinking someone was implying that any O-line protects their QB 100% of the time. But, there are lines that do a pretty damn good job. Look at Peyton, and Brady. 2 of the most immobile QBs in the league, and Peyton would have been forced into retirement by now from injury if he didn't have a line protecting him so well. If our line could approach that level of success, our offense would improve drastically I believe. It would be a domino effect on the offense.
I do agree with your post about how when Kap has time and an actual pocket, we have seen him be pretty damn good. I don't think its a coincidence that our line was awful last year, and Kap had an off year as well. Now, if the line has a good year and Kap sucks, then we know that something is definitely wrong with Kap

Along with the play clock issues, another big thing I want to see improvement on this year is Kap throwing with some touch, and not throwing every ball as hard as he can. Even just a little.
There were so many short throws 10 yards and under (just about every one) that he made where he threw the ball about 95 MPH and the receiver had no chance at catching it. And lots of times this happened when they were wide open on what looked like an easy throw.
And again, I think the O line may tie into this as well because Kap was usually always rushed so maybe that forced him to automatically throw the ball harder since he was just tryin to get rid of it and avoid a sack.
I would like to think that an improved O line, and Kap's offseason work will both definitely help this. If Kap really has been watching film, then certainly he noticed all the unnecessarily hard throws he made where all he needed to do was simply throw it to the guy and not throw it as hard as physically possible

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by buck:

I am positive that team will

1. Call for more passes to the running backs.
2. Get the plays in faster
3. Make better half-time adjustments

What makes you positive of these things?! Just curious.

They seem like some of the obvious steps that can be taken.

But the bottom line is that I tend to be optimistic during the off-season.

During the regular season not so much.

.

One clue that makes me feel More confident is tomsulas statement about playing to the players strength...and a big part of that is putting them in better situations

what else is he supposed to say? we should put them in bad situations?!?!

verb i am trying to stand up for you by saying that i think you really want to be proven wrong but stuff like this, where you just refuse to have any sort of open mind,, makes it tough

lolllll thanks cc.

I really am sorry for this wall I've put up against our front office. For years and years I've fed off of your guys positive outlook, but no no no not this time, not this year.

And you're right, if I end up being wrong, THANK GOD! I'll apologize again later.

I'm just really fascinated in how you guys are able to remain positive.

Since you admitted that you just decided to put up this wall against the front office this year and you are ready to apologize when you are found wrong, then don't get upset when we tear into your biased arguments.

Originally posted by fister30:

We can twist reality all we want, at the end of the day we have to hope Kap does something he hasn't done so far in his career, pass the ball effectively from the pocket. I think kap is on thinner ice than what most fappers want to admit. This is why I won't be surprised if we use a higher draft choice and select his possible replacement.

If kap turns into a much better QB this year, then awesome! Good for him and the 49ers. As far as I am concerned we should have drafted a QB in last years draft unless the front office has faith in Gabbert, which again I have no faith in gabbert whatsoever.

Fact that we didn't draft a QB last year tells you that your opinion is not what our FO had in mind. If you harbor the idea that you know more than the 49ers' FO, we'll, dream on.

Originally posted by fister30:
I would take mannion anywhere in the middle of the draft. I wouldn't draft up for anybody until the third or fourth. But now I'm getting into draft forum stuff.

If Mariota and Winston are inferior to Kaepernick why do you think Mannion would be the better option?

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by AmpLee:

You act like Kap had a pocket to pass from and failed at being effective from there. That simply wasn't the case. Maybe once he gets a consistent pocket instead of running for his life nearly every drop back, we can judge his ability to pass from the pocket. This is just one of those things parroted by the media and fans alike that has no grounding in reality.

Nobody does well in the pocket behind a line rated at #30 in pass protection. That's just football 101.

This. What I don't understand and if someone can explain I'm all ears: I've watched Kaep play with decent protection in playoff games and KILL defenses from the pocket. We saw it against Atlanta, The Super Bowl, against Green Bay in the playoffs and first game of the season and the last 9 games of 2013 to name a few. Please tell me WHAT makes people think he can't deliver from the pocket?I've watched this dude make throws from the pocket that I have NEVER seen another QB make yet for some reason some say he can't. I honestly don't get it. I have what I think are reasons why that are related to football acumen of some but I really want to know why.

If someone has decided that Kaep is not a pocket passer in advance, then nothing Kaep does will change that "fact".

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

This. What I don't understand and if someone can explain I'm all ears: I've watched Kaep play with decent protection in playoff games and KILL defenses from the pocket. We saw it against Atlanta, The Super Bowl, against Green Bay in the playoffs and first game of the season and the last 9 games of 2013 to name a few. Please tell me WHAT makes people think he can't deliver from the pocket?I've watched this dude make throws from the pocket that I have NEVER seen another QB make yet for some reason some say he can't. I honestly don't get it. I have what I think are reasons why that are related to football acumen of some but I really want to know why.

All good examples. Even from last year, think about that first Rams game in St. Louis. He wasn't sacked once. He had a pocket for most of the day. He put up three TD passes and 343 yards with no interceptions. When he has time, he usually delivers.

You guys are crazy to think that there's an offensive line that protects 100% of the time.

Sure it's common sense to say "give him time and he'll deliver" but the reality is that disruptive defenses do exist in the NFL, and when you face them that's when the QB/OC has to bail out the o-line.

We see the elites do it all the time. Niners needs huuuge improvements when placed in such situations (like vs Seattle).

The elite does it all the time, just like Payton Manning against the Seahawks a couple of years ago, in the Super Bowl even.

Originally posted by verb1der:

I agree Kaep needs better pass protection but we shouldn't act like that's all he needs.

He needs to take that next step of being smarter than the defenses he faces, only then he'll be able to really carry the franchise.

I do believe he'll take a step towards that this year, but still think he's about 3 years away from having that matrix moment.

A QB genius like you would know Kaep needs three years, or did your niece tell you?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by fister30:

We can twist reality all we want, at the end of the day we have to hope Kap does something he hasn't done so far in his career, pass the ball effectively from the pocket. I think kap is on thinner ice than what most fappers want to admit. This is why I won't be surprised if we use a higher draft choice and select his possible replacement.

If kap turns into a much better QB this year, then awesome! Good for him and the 49ers. As far as I am concerned we should have drafted a QB in last years draft unless the front office has faith in Gabbert, which again I have no faith in gabbert whatsoever.

...have you seen the QBs coming out this year?

Here's a place to start your research...which of these guys should the niners go after to replace Kaepernick?

QBs rated above the seventh round by CBS Prospects:

1st Round
WInston
Mariota

2nd Round
Hundley

3rd Round
Petty

3/4 Round
Grayson

4/5 Round
Mannion

6th Round
Bridge

6/7 Round
Halliday

I don't recall a worse year for QBs!

Fister30 will take any of the above over Kaep, won't you?