Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by ayetee:

Originally posted by verb1der:
I agree Kaep needs better pass protection but we shouldn't act like that's all he needs.

He needs to take that next step of being smarter than the defenses he faces, only then he'll be able to really carry the franchise.

I do believe he'll take a step towards that this year, but still think he's about 3 years away from having that matrix moment.

A QB genius like you would know Kaep needs three years, or did your niece tell you?

wow....harshin' the mellow dude...

Originally posted by SFGiant49ers:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
This. What I don't understand and if someone can explain I'm all ears: I've watched Kaep play with decent protection in playoff games and KILL defenses from the pocket. We saw it against Atlanta, The Super Bowl, against Green Bay in the playoffs and first game of the season and the last 9 games of 2013 to name a few. Please tell me WHAT makes people think he can't deliver from the pocket?I've watched this dude make throws from the pocket that I have NEVER seen another QB make yet for some reason some say he can't. I honestly don't get it. I have what I think are reasons why that are related to football acumen of some but I really want to know why.

All good examples. Even from last year, think about that first Rams game in St. Louis. He wasn't sacked once. He had a pocket for most of the day. He put up three TD passes and 343 yards with no interceptions. When he has time, he usually delivers.

You guys are crazy to think that there's an offensive line that protects 100% of the time.

Sure it's common sense to say "give him time and he'll deliver" but the reality is that disruptive defenses do exist in the NFL, and when you face them that's when the QB/OC has to bail out the o-line.

We see the elites do it all the time. Niners needs huuuge improvements when placed in such situations (like vs Seattle).

No one said 100% of the time. What I'm saying is what makes people think that he can't and hasn't been really productive from the pocket? There are multiple examples of him doing so in the BIGGEST moments of a QBs career, The playoffs! I'll take it one step further, people keep saying how great Luck is yet he s**ts the bed constantly in the playoffs but somehow gets a pass?? I'm not sure if he's great or if he's Carson Palmer. They keep telling us how great he is but last time I checked the reason Peyton isn't considered the greatest is because of his playoff performances. IJS

Yeah, not sure how anybody misunderstood this into thinking someone was implying that any O-line protects their QB 100% of the time. But, there are lines that do a pretty damn good job. Look at Peyton, and Brady. 2 of the most immobile QBs in the league, and Peyton would have been forced into retirement by now from injury if he didn't have a line protecting him so well. If our line could approach that level of success, our offense would improve drastically I believe. It would be a domino effect on the offense.
I do agree with your post about how when Kap has time and an actual pocket, we have seen him be pretty damn good. I don't think its a coincidence that our line was awful last year, and Kap had an off year as well. Now, if the line has a good year and Kap sucks, then we know that something is definitely wrong with Kap

I think we will win the NFC West this season if we stay healthy. I think the oline will be much better and the Dline definitely will be healthier. If we win in those two areas everything else will fall in place.

Originally posted by ayetee:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by fister30:
We can twist reality all we want, at the end of the day we have to hope Kap does something he hasn't done so far in his career, pass the ball effectively from the pocket. I think kap is on thinner ice than what most fappers want to admit. This is why I won't be surprised if we use a higher draft choice and select his possible replacement.

If kap turns into a much better QB this year, then awesome! Good for him and the 49ers. As far as I am concerned we should have drafted a QB in last years draft unless the front office has faith in Gabbert, which again I have no faith in gabbert whatsoever.

...have you seen the QBs coming out this year?

Here's a place to start your research...which of these guys should the niners go after to replace Kaepernick?

QBs rated above the seventh round by CBS Prospects:

1st Round
WInston
Mariota

2nd Round
Hundley

3rd Round
Petty

3/4 Round
Grayson

4/5 Round
Mannion

6th Round
Bridge

6/7 Round
Halliday

I don't recall a worse year for QBs!

Fister30 will take any of the above over Kaep, won't you?

As a backup to Kaepernick? OK!

Originally posted by ayetee:

Originally posted by verb1der:
I agree Kaep needs better pass protection but we shouldn't act like that's all he needs.

He needs to take that next step of being smarter than the defenses he faces, only then he'll be able to really carry the franchise.

I do believe he'll take a step towards that this year, but still think he's about 3 years away from having that matrix moment.

A QB genius like you would know Kaep needs three years, or did your niece tell you?

Trust me dude I learned a lot about QB development from Alex Smith.

Originally posted by buck:
Football, at least for me, is fun; fun to play, fun to watch, fun to follow.

If despair, frustration, and anger dominated my vision of the game and the 49ers, watching and following the game and the 49ers just would not be fun.

For me, as a fan, football is a game; it is entertaining.

If I could not be optimistic, following and watching the 49ers or the game would not be fun.

I would not to do it.

I wish all fans saw it this way. I like discourse and bantering back and forth with you guys, but in the end it's entertainment. Played by great athletes and not myself.

When discussing or evaluating Colin Kaepernick's work in 2014, we really should take into account the number of dropped passes.

PFF listed 39 quarterbacks and the number of dropped passes for each one.

We also remember that

Drops are always subjective, but PFF sides on the receiver's side when charting NFL games. As does Rotoworld's Greg Peshek.

Originally posted by buck:
When discussing or evaluating Colin Kaepernick's work in 2014, we really should take into account the number of dropped passes.

PFF listed 39 quarterbacks and the number of dropped passes for each one.

We also remember that

Drops are always subjective, but PFF sides on the receiver's side when charting NFL games. As does Rotoworld's Greg Peshek.

Kap definitly makes catching passes a lot more difficult then need be at times.

We should not think that the number of dropped passes by itself tells the whole story.

The percentage of pass attempts that are dropped is also important.

Again, we should remember that

Drops are always subjective, but PFF sides on the receiver's side when charting NFL games. As does Rotoworld's Greg Peshek.

The note on PFF siding with the receivers is from Rotoworld, not from me.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/132763/breshad-perriman




I had to break this table into two parts. Here is the second part.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Kap definitly makes catching passes a lot more difficult then need be at times.

When I look at that chart, I see the same drop percentage for Alex Smith as I do for Kaepernick. Would you say Smith makes catching passes a lot more difficult than need be?

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Kap definitly makes catching passes a lot more difficult then need be at times.

When I look at that chart, I see the same drop percentage for Alex Smith as I do for Kaepernick. Would you say Smith makes catching passes a lot more difficult than need be?

Smith also was dealing with a receiving corps that didn't have a single receiver catch a TD pass - doesn't matter who's playing QB, that receiving corps sucks!

CK had 3 receivers who were known as "good hands" receivers.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Smith also was dealing with a receiving corps that didn't have a single receiver catch a TD pass - doesn't matter who's playing QB, that receiving corps sucks!

CK had 3 receivers who were known as "good hands" receivers.

You saw the season. Did any of the Niners receivers strike you as having a good year hands-wise? I also see Aaron Rodgers' receivers have a lower drop percentage. You may have noticed that Rodgers throws the ball very hard - his receivers have talked about graduating from the "Farvre cross" to the "Rodgers cross". I don't buy this B.S. that professional receivers can't catch fast balls and the reason I don't is that I've watched the careers of Farvre, Elway and Rodgers. They all threw the ball at roughly the same velocity as Kaepernick.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Kap definitly makes catching passes a lot more difficult then need be at times.

When I look at that chart, I see the same drop percentage for Alex Smith as I do for Kaepernick. Would you say Smith makes catching passes a lot more difficult than need be?

Both could learn to throw a more catchable ball, but Smith is a bit ahead of Kaepernick in this regard. Having Boldin versus Bowe takes away that difference. But...Smith was throwing to RBs and TEs in shorter routes...advantage Kaerpernick. Kaepernick was fighting injuries throughout the year...advantage Smith...hmm...what other variables can we throw in there? LOL...argument is always fun but never ending!

Kaerpernick's offseason work should help and having T Smith may help as well...not that he doesn't drop passes but because he will open up underneath stuff for the other receivers. He could really help both Boldin and VD quite a bit. And I hope it allows Ellington and Patton to elevate their games if given a chance.

With VD and Smith able to take the top off the D it should make the offense much more multi-dimensional. Now if the OL can improve as well...

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Smith also was dealing with a receiving corps that didn't have a single receiver catch a TD pass - doesn't matter who's playing QB, that receiving corps sucks!

CK had 3 receivers who were known as "good hands" receivers.

You saw the season. Did any of the Niners receivers strike you as having a good year hands-wise? I also see Aaron Rodgers' receivers have a lower drop percentage. You may have noticed that Rodgers throws the ball very hard - his receivers have talked about graduating from the "Farvre cross" to the "Rodgers cross". I don't buy this B.S. that professional receivers can't catch fast balls and the reason I don't is that I've watched the careers of Farvre, Elway and Rodgers. They all threw the ball at roughly the same velocity as Kaepernick.

It's not always about if a QB throws hard or not, it's on which throws he throws hard. I also remember Mike McCarthy talking about how in Rodgers' first year as a starter he really had to work with him on not throwing everything as a fastball. That, with some throws, he has to dial back and put more touch on it.

On your slants, mid-ins, most deep routes and curls - you definitely want that fastball. but, with your spot, short outs, drags and such, you HAVE to dial back - those are really, really tough catches for guys with so little time to react to where the ball is going to be.

Even Rodgers, with how hard he throws, dials back the throws I just mentioned.

And yes, Boldin still had great hands last year. Stevie also made some great catches and Crabs did too. Every receiver is going to drop balls, but, if it's an inordinate amount for the group of guys you have to ask why.

Saying last year wasn't a good hands year for our receivers is a chicken and egg argument.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's not always about if a QB throws hard or not, it's on which throws he throws hard. I also remember Mike McCarthy talking about how in Rodgers' first year as a starter he really had to work with him on not throwing everything as a fastball. That, with some throws, he has to dial back and put more touch on it.

On your slants, mid-ins, most deep routes and curls - you definitely want that fastball. but, with your spot, short outs, drags and such, you HAVE to dial back - those are really, really tough catches for guys with so little time to react to where the ball is going to be.

Even Rodgers, with how hard he throws, dials back the throws I just mentioned.

And yes, Boldin still had great hands last year. Stevie also made some great catches and Crabs did too. Every receiver is going to drop balls, but, if it's an inordinate amount for the group of guys you have to ask why.

Saying last year wasn't a good hands year for our receivers is a chicken and egg argument.

I agree with all of this and I too am hoping he starts throwing certain passes with a little more touch. It's great that he can fire it into a tight spot when he has to like Rodgers, but obviously I'd like to see his game progress to the point where he's even comparable to Rodgers in the big picture.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Smith also was dealing with a receiving corps that didn't have a single receiver catch a TD pass - doesn't matter who's playing QB, that receiving corps sucks!

CK had 3 receivers who were known as "good hands" receivers.

You saw the season. Did any of the Niners receivers strike you as having a good year hands-wise? I also see Aaron Rodgers' receivers have a lower drop percentage. You may have noticed that Rodgers throws the ball very hard - his receivers have talked about graduating from the "Farvre cross" to the "Rodgers cross". I don't buy this B.S. that professional receivers can't catch fast balls and the reason I don't is that I've watched the careers of Farvre, Elway and Rodgers. They all threw the ball at roughly the same velocity as Kaepernick.

I find it funny that Smith gets the benefit of doubt because he had "bad" receivers but Kaps drops are because of him...

People talk about our receiving core being so much better but was it really that great? On paper maybe but in actuality it wasn't any where near what we all hoped it would be.

Boldin, Crabs, Lloyd, Johnson, and Vernon sounds awesome. But look at it closer and I don't think they're all that much better

Boldin, our most sure handed reciever had a terrible game with I believe like 5 drops (possibly against the Rams if I remember correctly).

Was crabs really that great a reciever? He got a s**tty one year prove it deal in OAKLAND. No other team wanted him except the Dolphins. Not even Seattle who loves picking up our scraps even worked him out. So again, is he really all that great?

Lloyd... Lol. Atleast Moss still had enough speed to back off defenders. What's Lloyd doing nowadays?

Vernon. Should I even have to explain how garbage he was last year?

Johnson. Our one consistent receiver got to ride the bench thanks to that diva Crabtree. He Damn near caught everything that came his way.

So was our receiving core really all that great? No player played up to their expectations (Boldin was solid besides that one aberration of a game). The only one who did, didn't really even get a chance to play. So why is that Kaps drop % is on him but Smiths is due to his terrible receiving crew?