Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
I find it funny that Smith gets the benefit of doubt because he had "bad" receivers but Kaps drops are because of him...

People talk about our receiving core being so much better but was it really that great? On paper maybe but in actuality it wasn't any where near what we all hoped it would be.

Boldin, Crabs, Lloyd, Johnson, and Vernon sounds awesome. But look at it closer and I don't think they're all that much better

Boldin, our most sure handed reciever had a terrible game with I believe like 5 drops (possibly against the Rams if I remember correctly).

Was crabs really that great a reciever? He got a s**tty one year prove it deal in OAKLAND. No other team wanted him except the Dolphins. Not even Seattle who loves picking up our scraps even worked him out. So again, is he really all that great?

Lloyd... Lol. Atleast Moss still had enough speed to back off defenders. What's Lloyd doing nowadays?

Vernon. Should I even have to explain how garbage he was last year?

Johnson. Our one consistent receiver got to ride the bench thanks to that diva Crabtree. He Damn near caught everything that came his way.

So was our receiving core really all that great? No player played up to their expectations (Boldin was solid besides that one aberration of a game). The only one who did, didn't really even get a chance to play. So why is that Kaps drop % is on him but Smiths is due to his terrible receiving crew?

Either way, do you really think our guys weren't better than the scrubs Smith had playing with him.....not....one....TD....from a receiver.

anyway, we digress from CK - regardless of the receiving corps, he still needs to learn how to dial back some of his short throws to make them more catch-able.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
I find it funny that Smith gets the benefit of doubt because he had "bad" receivers but Kaps drops are because of him...

People talk about our receiving core being so much better but was it really that great? On paper maybe but in actuality it wasn't any where near what we all hoped it would be.

Boldin, Crabs, Lloyd, Johnson, and Vernon sounds awesome. But look at it closer and I don't think they're all that much better

Boldin, our most sure handed reciever had a terrible game with I believe like 5 drops (possibly against the Rams if I remember correctly).

Was crabs really that great a reciever? He got a s**tty one year prove it deal in OAKLAND. No other team wanted him except the Dolphins. Not even Seattle who loves picking up our scraps even worked him out. So again, is he really all that great?

Lloyd... Lol. Atleast Moss still had enough speed to back off defenders. What's Lloyd doing nowadays?

Vernon. Should I even have to explain how garbage he was last year?

Johnson. Our one consistent receiver got to ride the bench thanks to that diva Crabtree. He Damn near caught everything that came his way.

So was our receiving core really all that great? No player played up to their expectations (Boldin was solid besides that one aberration of a game). The only one who did, didn't really even get a chance to play. So why is that Kaps drop % is on him but Smiths is due to his terrible receiving crew?

Either way, do you really think our guys weren't better than the scrubs Smith had playing with him.....not....one....TD....from a receiver.

anyway, we digress from CK - regardless of the receiving corps, he still needs to learn how to dial back some of his short throws to make them more catch-able.

I just find it funny that if things were turned around and Kap didn't throw a single touchdown to a receiver everyone would assume it's because of kap. On the other hand, with smith, it's because of the receivers. Chicken or the egg situation.

Anyways, yes I agree he has many areas where he can improve. Those short passes could be thrown with a little less oomph.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

I find it funny that Smith gets the benefit of doubt because he had "bad" receivers but Kaps drops are because of him...

People talk about our receiving core being so much better but was it really that great? On paper maybe but in actuality it wasn't any where near what we all hoped it would be.

Boldin, Crabs, Lloyd, Johnson, and Vernon sounds awesome. But look at it closer and I don't think they're all that much better

Boldin, our most sure handed reciever had a terrible game with I believe like 5 drops (possibly against the Rams if I remember correctly).

Was crabs really that great a reciever? He got a s**tty one year prove it deal in OAKLAND. No other team wanted him except the Dolphins. Not even Seattle who loves picking up our scraps even worked him out. So again, is he really all that great?

Lloyd... Lol. Atleast Moss still had enough speed to back off defenders. What's Lloyd doing nowadays?

Vernon. Should I even have to explain how garbage he was last year?

Johnson. Our one consistent receiver got to ride the bench thanks to that diva Crabtree. He Damn near caught everything that came his way.

So was our receiving core really all that great? No player played up to their expectations (Boldin was solid besides that one aberration of a game). The only one who did, didn't really even get a chance to play. So why is that Kaps drop % is on him but Smiths is due to his terrible receiving crew?

Either way, do you really think our guys weren't better than the scrubs Smith had playing with him.....not....one....TD....from a receiver.

anyway, we digress from CK - regardless of the receiving corps, he still needs to learn how to dial back some of his short throws to make them more catch-able.

It's more Iike smith can't look down field, if kaep gets the blame for drops

Look at it this way... how many of the wr was worth having back this year ....boom

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
It's not always about if a QB throws hard or not, it's on which throws he throws hard. I also remember Mike McCarthy talking about how in Rodgers' first year as a starter he really had to work with him on not throwing everything as a fastball. That, with some throws, he has to dial back and put more touch on it.

On your slants, mid-ins, most deep routes and curls - you definitely want that fastball. but, with your spot, short outs, drags and such, you HAVE to dial back - those are really, really tough catches for guys with so little time to react to where the ball is going to be.

Even Rodgers, with how hard he throws, dials back the throws I just mentioned.

And yes, Boldin still had great hands last year. Stevie also made some great catches and Crabs did too. Every receiver is going to drop balls, but, if it's an inordinate amount for the group of guys you have to ask why.

Saying last year wasn't a good hands year for our receivers is a chicken and egg argument.

I agree with all of this and I too am hoping he starts throwing certain passes with a little more touch. It's great that he can fire it into a tight spot when he has to like Rodgers, but obviously I'd like to see his game progress to the point where he's even comparable to Rodgers in the big picture.

If he becomes comparable to Rodgers in the pocket there would be no stopping him. Opposing DCs would have nightmares during the week trying to prepare for him!

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
I find it funny that Smith gets the benefit of doubt because he had "bad" receivers but Kaps drops are because of him...

People talk about our receiving core being so much better but was it really that great? On paper maybe but in actuality it wasn't any where near what we all hoped it would be.

Boldin, Crabs, Lloyd, Johnson, and Vernon sounds awesome. But look at it closer and I don't think they're all that much better

Boldin, our most sure handed reciever had a terrible game with I believe like 5 drops (possibly against the Rams if I remember correctly).

Was crabs really that great a reciever? He got a s**tty one year prove it deal in OAKLAND. No other team wanted him except the Dolphins. Not even Seattle who loves picking up our scraps even worked him out. So again, is he really all that great?

Lloyd... Lol. Atleast Moss still had enough speed to back off defenders. What's Lloyd doing nowadays?

Vernon. Should I even have to explain how garbage he was last year?

Johnson. Our one consistent receiver got to ride the bench thanks to that diva Crabtree. He Damn near caught everything that came his way.

So was our receiving core really all that great? No player played up to their expectations (Boldin was solid besides that one aberration of a game). The only one who did, didn't really even get a chance to play. So why is that Kaps drop % is on him but Smiths is due to his terrible receiving crew?

Either way, do you really think our guys weren't better than the scrubs Smith had playing with him.....not....one....TD....from a receiver.

anyway, we digress from CK - regardless of the receiving corps, he still needs to learn how to dial back some of his short throws to make them more catch-able.

It's more Iike smith can't look down field, if kaep gets the blame for drops

Look at it this way... how many of the wr was worth having back this year ....boom

Boom? Boom what?

If he can get the mental part of playing qb down, it would give him time to calmly concentrate on making a good throw.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
If he can get the mental part of playing qb down, it would give him time to calmly concentrate on making a good throw.

Yep, I'm really excited to see the results of all his hard work this offseason.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Kap definitly makes catching passes a lot more difficult then need be at times.

That may be true, but dropped passes are by definition passes that should have been caught.

But, I do think that you do have a point.

Kaepernick needs to improve on the number of "catchable" balls that he throws.

The table below is compiled from PFF.

Kaepernick is ranked 24th in the % of his passes that are considered "catchable."

It is also interesting to see that Andrew Luck is ranked 23rd and Russell Wilson is ranked 26th.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Kap definitly makes catching passes a lot more difficult then need be at times.

When I look at that chart, I see the same drop percentage for Alex Smith as I do for Kaepernick. Would you say Smith makes catching passes a lot more difficult than need be?

Smith also was dealing with a receiving corps that didn't have a single receiver catch a TD pass - doesn't matter who's playing QB, that receiving corps sucks!

CK had 3 receivers who were known as "good hands" receivers.

I am not sure who those "good hands receivers" were last year.

I am pretty sure that Crabtree, Boldin, and Davis had their worst year for dropped passes.

And all three of them had experience with Kaepernick.

To some extent, the number of dropped passes last year may have been a product of the internal conflicts and tensions of last year.

The year-long tension well could have impacted team cohesion and morale.

I would imagine that distracted quarterbacks make more mistakes and distracted receivers drop passes more frequently.

I do not know to what extent the 49er's internal conflicts impacted the team's on the field performance, but I think it should be considered.

Kaepernick has thrown passes to Davis, Crabtree, and Boldin over the last two and a half years.


The table below compares drop rates for Davis, Boldin, and Crabtree for the last two years.

It also compares the percentage of "catchable" balls thrown by Kaepernick to those three.



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The drop rates for each of the three receivers increased in 2014.

The percentage of catchable that Kaepernick threw to Vernon Davis went down by 1.43%.

The percentage of catchable balls that Kaepernick threw to Boldin and Crabtree went up.

18.75% drop rate ... good god thats almost 1 out of every 5

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
18.75% drop rate ... good god thats almost 1 out of every 5

He couldn't catch. He couldn't block. He ran lazy routes and he even successfully prevented a TD pass for the benefit of the Rams defense. I guess injuries had something to do with everything, but he was truly bad last year. I'm pretty sure he'll bounce back. Last year seems like an anomaly to me.

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
18.75% drop rate ... good god thats almost 1 out of every 5

Yes, but to be fair we do have remember that Davis did hurt this back early last year.

The drastic increase in drops by Davis, and drops in general, clearly hurt the passing game, but there are many factors that can lead to an increase in dropped passes.

Kaepernick threw a higher percentage of catchable balls to Crabtree and Boldin and got higher drops rates from them. Go figure.

Those higher drop rates may have been a consequence of the off the field tensions, and at this point I do not think any of us can deny that those tensions really did exist.

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Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Kap definitly makes catching passes a lot more difficult then need be at times.

That may be true, but dropped passes are by definition passes that should have been caught.

But, I do think that you do have a point.

Kaepernick needs to improve on the number of "catchable" balls that he throws.

The table below is compiled from PFF.

Kaepernick is ranked 24th in the % of his passes that are considered "catchable."

It is also interesting to see that Andrew Luck is ranked 23rd and Russell Wilson is ranked 26th.

I'm pretty sure that equation doesn't take into account velocity. With most QBs, velocity isn't the issue. Its ball placement.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by buck:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Kap definitly makes catching passes a lot more difficult then need be at times.

That may be true, but dropped passes are by definition passes that should have been caught.

But, I do think that you do have a point.

Kaepernick needs to improve on the number of "catchable" balls that he throws.

The table below is compiled from PFF.

Kaepernick is ranked 24th in the % of his passes that are considered "catchable."

It is also interesting to see that Andrew Luck is ranked 23rd and Russell Wilson is ranked 26th.

I'm pretty sure that equation doesn't take into account velocity. With most QBs, velocity isn't the issue. Its ball placement.

OK.

So Kaepernick throws the ball too hard and Luck and Wilson do not know where to throw it.