Colin Kaepernick Thread

Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN 49s50 seconds ago
No surprise, especially after Chip Kelly said he's 1 of 2 best QBs on #49ers, but hearing it's all but certain Colin Kaepernick makes team.

Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN
No surprise, especially after Chip Kelly said he's 1 of 2 best QBs on #49ers, but hearing it's all but certain Colin Kaepernick makes team.

Originally posted by Dicekiller:
On that completion to Dres Anderson that was nearly an interception, it does look like maybe Kap at least tried to keep his eyes in the middle of the field first instead staring down in the direction of the two receivers the whole way through, if only for a moment. Can't see what that safety does until the ball is already by Anderson, so it's hard to say what happened.

I looked at that play half a dozen times and I see no helmet moved by CK that would indicate he looked anywhere but Anderson.

We should give kap a raise

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
MODS: Thanks for this thread.

Here is my chart of each throw Kaepernick made.
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SUMMARY: What I wanted to see more than anything else was how he would go through his progressions. In that regard I was totally disappointed. In all but two cases, he stayed on his first read, never looking anywhere else. (judging by helmet movement) SD was making it easy for him in that they stayed rather vanilla, essentially giving him that first read. Also, a lot of Kelly's offense tries to set up an easy first read. Still, I think everyone agrees we need to see him finally master consistently going to 2nd, 3rd and 4th options. After all, the normal set is 3 wideouts.

In three cases, he was lucky he wasn't picked. I was less impressed after this second, more focused look than I was watching the game the first time. The stats look better than the performance. Clearly better than Driskel but not a clear cut advantage over Ponder.

There seems to be too much focus on whether he threw to his first read, and when he does, it's considered "easy". When a QB completes a pass to his first read, it should be categorized as a good play, not a bad play. Unless the targeted WR was not open. When the targeted WR was not open, that's when we can say he locked in and didn't move through his reads.

On many 3/5 step timing throws, the work is done presnap, then a quick coverage read on a key defender to confirm that the presnap read was correct. When done correctly, it looks easy and that's a good thing.

I think we are in agreement. Kelly's offense is designed to create an obvious open man on every play. My comment may not have been as clear as I intended. I don't blame him for taking the first option and completing it. What I wanted to see was if he can go through progressions in this offense.

Now, if Kelly's offense is so good that there is always someone as open immediately as there was last night.... then SUPER BOWL.

Originally posted by harryj:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:
MODS: Thanks for this thread.

Here is my chart of each throw Kaepernick made.
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SUMMARY: What I wanted to see more than anything else was how he would go through his progressions. In that regard I was totally disappointed. In all but two cases, he stayed on his first read, never looking anywhere else. (judging by helmet movement) SD was making it easy for him in that they stayed rather vanilla, essentially giving him that first read. Also, a lot of Kelly's offense tries to set up an easy first read. Still, I think everyone agrees we need to see him finally master consistently going to 2nd, 3rd and 4th options. After all, the normal set is 3 wideouts.

In three cases, he was lucky he wasn't picked. I was less impressed after this second, more focused look than I was watching the game the first time. The stats look better than the performance. Clearly better than Driskel but not a clear cut advantage over Ponder.

There seems to be too much focus on whether he threw to his first read, and when he does, it's considered "easy". When a QB completes a pass to his first read, it should be categorized as a good play, not a bad play. Unless the targeted WR was not open. When the targeted WR was not open, that's when we can say he locked in and didn't move through his reads.

On many 3/5 step timing throws, the work is done presnap, then a quick coverage read on a key defender to confirm that the presnap read was correct. When done correctly, it looks easy and that's a good thing.

i agree but going through reads has been a problem and im under impression kap played well yesterday (if i were to grade i would give him a C+)

but he hasnt shown the ability to consistantly perform well in pre snap reads (which imo is his biggest weakness) or go through progressions

this will be a problem in the future if he is going to be a consistant starter

I didn't go through in close detail like dj43 did of Kap's performance, but I was mainly addressing his summary when he said:
"What I wanted to see more than anything else was how he would go through his progressions. In that regard I was totally disappointed. In all but two cases, he stayed on his first read, never looking anywhere else."

My point was that when a QB goes with his first read and throws to an open WR for a completion, that's good, not bad. It seemed like Kap was being faulted for that. Now if a QB goes with what appears to be his first read and throws into double coverage, then that's bad. dj43, I do appreciate that level of detail. That's good stuff. I hope that you have NFL Game Pass because from the end zone camera you can really see the QB's head swivel. Would love this level of analysis during the season.

Originally posted by Jcool:


Matt Maiocco ‏@MaioccoCSN
No surprise, especially after Chip Kelly said he's 1 of 2 best QBs on #49ers, but hearing it's all but certain Colin Kaepernick makes team.

His play last night pretty much guaranteed he's not getting outright cut. Still a slim chance of a trade I'd say, but very slim as conditions would have to be just right.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Dicekiller:
On that completion to Dres Anderson that was nearly an interception, it does look like maybe Kap at least tried to keep his eyes in the middle of the field first instead staring down in the direction of the two receivers the whole way through, if only for a moment. Can't see what that safety does until the ball is already by Anderson, so it's hard to say what happened.

I looked at that play half a dozen times and I see no helmet moved by CK that would indicate he looked anywhere but Anderson.

It's between his 2nd and 3rd step of his dropback. I definitely could just be looking too much into it or misinterpreting it though.

Originally posted by thl408:
I didn't go through in close detail like dj43 did of Kap's performance, but I was mainly addressing his summary when he said:
"What I wanted to see more than anything else was how he would go through his progressions. In that regard I was totally disappointed. In all but two cases, he stayed on his first read, never looking anywhere else."

My point was that when a QB goes with his first read and throws to an open WR for a completion, that's good, not bad. It seemed like Kap was being faulted for that. Now if a QB goes with what appears to be his first read and throws into double coverage, then that's bad. dj43, I do appreciate that level of detail. That's good stuff. I hope that you have NFL Game Pass because from the end zone camera you can really see the QB's head swivel. Would love this level of analysis during the season.

I haven't purchased it yet but probably will. I had it last year but got so busy I didn't use it much.

Originally posted by Dicekiller:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Dicekiller:
On that completion to Dres Anderson that was nearly an interception, it does look like maybe Kap at least tried to keep his eyes in the middle of the field first instead staring down in the direction of the two receivers the whole way through, if only for a moment. Can't see what that safety does until the ball is already by Anderson, so it's hard to say what happened.

I looked at that play half a dozen times and I see no helmet moved by CK that would indicate he looked anywhere but Anderson.

It's between his 2nd and 3rd step of his dropback. I definitely could just be looking too much into it or misinterpreting it though.

I see him getting the snap, look up, then left. If he did tried to hold the safety by looking down the middle, it wasn't enough.

Anderson did a good job hung on to the ball.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Dicekiller:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Dicekiller:
On that completion to Dres Anderson that was nearly an interception, it does look like maybe Kap at least tried to keep his eyes in the middle of the field first instead staring down in the direction of the two receivers the whole way through, if only for a moment. Can't see what that safety does until the ball is already by Anderson, so it's hard to say what happened.

I looked at that play half a dozen times and I see no helmet moved by CK that would indicate he looked anywhere but Anderson.

It's between his 2nd and 3rd step of his dropback. I definitely could just be looking too much into it or misinterpreting it though.

I see him getting the snap, look up, then left. If he did tried to hold the safety by looking down the middle, it wasn't enough.

That's pretty much what I thought initially, so I'll just go ahead and finish what my train of thought was.

If it was a middle safety(well, higher than the one that dropped down) which I'm gonna guess there was, Kap either pretty much negated trying to hold him and should be faulted for the almost pick. Or, it could be spun that he did just barely enough to rocket the ball in have that not intercepted. Although admittedly, that's not good either. Just to cover my bases in case I was wrong, if there wasn't a middle safety, and the safety that almost picked Kap was already in that area when the ball was snapped, maybe Kap just thought he could rocket the ball in there. Which wouldn't be good either.

the way qbs and players are going down, kap not finding a roster spot on this is team is incredibly asinine and ignorant based off football alone.

Man we got some arm chair QB coaches in here! Amazing the level of analysis. Why not one reasonable post that says this guy hasn't played football in a like a year, had 3 significant surgeries for a QB, miss a ton of the off season, only had 13 snaps and then gets judged on the 4th preseason game. I'll trust the real coaches who saw all the potential during hours and hours of practice and classroom work that think he still has it. The onlybreal thing going against him is that Balkee can't for the life of him grow up. Heck even CK is growing right before our eyes.

Oh good, his PR team came up with a game plan and he was mediocre against Chargers' 3rd-stringers and impending cuts...wasn't able to pay real close attention to detail, but seemed like nearly every completion was to a "stationary" target, i.e. receiver has stopped and is facing Kaepernick where he's able to make probably his strongest type pass which is just throwing a fastball. Did he hit any slants, deep in routes where he needs to lead/hit receiver in stride in a tight window so there's chance for YAC? He wasn't garbage but still see a lot of what he's regressed to past couple years, plus he looks a step slower.

But oh well, guess since he wasn't god awful again Kelly/Baalke wiling to take the $15M gamble...I think at this juncture Ponder is better, but doubt they're going to keep him at whatever vet salary he makes plus CK's $12M, so my guess is Ponder is odd man out.

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:

Man we got some arm chair QB coaches in here! Amazing the level of analysis. Why not one reasonable post that says this guy hasn't played football in a like a year, had 3 significant surgeries for a QB, miss a ton of the off season, only had 13 snaps and then gets judged on the 4th preseason game. I'll trust the real coaches who saw all the potential during hours and hours of practice and classroom work that think he still has it. The onlybreal thing going against him is that Balkee can't for the life of him grow up. Heck even CK is growing right before our eyes.

Plenty of posts about Kap working off rust