Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

What QB is going to the Super Bowl without a SB caliber team? I haven't seen a QB have a successful playoff runs without a couple things:

Good defense

Stable, consistent coaching

Good oline.

I agree but the wheels shouldn't fall off when you can't rely on the defense to win the game for you.

When did that happen? I'll admit When our oline took a dump he struggled but then again most QBs do don't they?

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
When did that happen? I'll admit When our oline took a dump he struggled but then again most QBs do don't they?

14' had a team without Bow, an injured Willis and Smith who never looked the same. Aldon wasn't there for most of the year and our CB's were getting old or they were no longer there (Carlos, Brown, Hitner). It was a good D but no the same one that led the league in turnovers and points scored for a Defense. 15' starts with Tomsula...

His play was never better than it was in 12'-13' and it's been downhill ever since. His last game as a starter....20-42 for 162 yards passing and a qb rating of 59.2 against the rams.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

What QB is going to the Super Bowl without a SB caliber team? I haven't seen a QB have a successful playoff runs without a couple things:

Good defense

Stable, consistent coaching

Good oline.

I agree but the wheels shouldn't fall off when you can't rely on the defense to win the game for you. Sometimes the O needs to take control and win the game and that starts with the QB. Kap couldn't do this in 14' and 15' because he never evolved into a QB that does this. If you never change the league will figure you out and beat you until you do.

I think you'll agree 2014 was a strange season. We shouldve been at LEAST 11-5. Kaep had better numbers than he did in the previous season but we also had games like the Bears, Chargers and Rams (fumble at the goal line). We were great in the first half of games but putrid in the second half. I don't know what to make of it all. Don't know how much the Harbaugh / FO feud played a role. You add the oline with Martin and Martin, injuries to Iupati, Willis, Vernon Davis and Justin Smith and it's was a recipe for disaster.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I agree. There are so many fallacies regarding Kaep. The only things IMO that have been figured out is that he, like most QBs, doesn't perform well under continual duress. The only significant game Kaep won with his legs was the divisional game against GB when he ran for 183 (even though he also threw for 250+). Green Bay had an ENTIRE off season to prepare for Kaeps 'running' and he promptly threw for 400+. Kaep has shown that when he has time to throw he's exceptional. Not to bring Gabbert in the conversation but when Kaep has had that kind of time to throw he's been exceptional.

Yep. Remember, Green Bay had to hire people to STOP Kaep. They're not the only ones either. Our coaching staff just couldn't counteract that. Not to absolve Kaep of blame but people really think QB's come up with gameplans and entire strategies to beat every team. It's typically a collaborative effort but the coaching staff does the lions share of the work.

One thing I picked up on in that Rams game is the time Gabbert had. He had all day. We have all agreed that with time, Kaep is a monster. IF the line is decent/good, Kaep should do well. I mean, it can't be disputed because their is proof of this.

Originally posted by jcs:
14' had a team without Bow, an injured Willis and Smith who never looked the same. Aldon wasn't there for most of the year and our CB's were getting old or they were no longer there (Carlos, Brown, Hitner). It was a good D but no the same one that led the league in turnovers and points scored for a Defense. 15' starts with Tomsula...

His play was never better than it was in 12'-13' and it's been downhill ever since. His last game as a starter....20-42 for 162 yards passing and a qb rating of 59.2 against the rams.

Similar to Gab's numbers....save for the TD in the 4h quarter.

Originally posted by Blindfury:
Yep. Remember, Green Bay had to hire people to STOP Kaep. They're not the only ones either. Our coaching staff just couldn't counteract that. Not to absolve Kaep of blame but people really think QB's come up with gameplans and entire strategies to beat every team. It's typically a collaborative effort but the coaching staff does the lions share of the work.

One thing I picked up on in that Rams game is the time Gabbert had. He had all day. We have all agreed that with time, Kaep is a monster. IF the line is decent/good, Kaep should do well. I mean, it can't be disputed because their is proof of this.

Someone quoted earlier on the Gabbert thread that we averaged 2.03 sec a pass attempt on Monday. I don't know if Kap is capable of that kind of tempo and I will start by saying his windup doesn't help him.

Originally posted by jcs:
I agree but the wheels shouldn't fall off when you can't rely on the defense to win the game for you. Sometimes the O needs to take control and win the game and that starts with the QB. Kap couldn't do this in 14' and 15' because he never evolved into a QB that does this. If you never change the league will figure you out and beat you until you do.

Partly agree, but if there is no gameplan, no coaching, no QB will look good. Defenses are too smart. We stunk in the 2nd half with Harbaugh mainly because there were rarely ever any adjustments coming out of halftime. Who's responsible for that? The QB or the staff? You could even see it on Monday, when the staff put Blaine in good plays, he did alright, when they put him in bad plays (3rd quarter) he was pitiful.

Think coaching gets downplayed too much hare.

Originally posted by jcs:
Someone quoted earlier on the Gabbert thread that we averaged 2.03 sec a pass attempt on Monday. I don't know if Kap is capable of that kind of tempo and I will start by saying his windup doesn't help him.

well that just can't be! because if true, it takes a dump all over the "Gabbert had all day!" cries...

Originally posted by jcs:
Someone quoted earlier on the Gabbert thread that we averaged 2.03 sec a pass attempt on Monday. I don't know if Kap is capable of that kind of tempo and I will start by saying his windup doesn't help him.

I think Kaep would be fine and even better.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

When did that happen? I'll admit When our oline took a dump he struggled but then again most QBs do don't they?

14' had a team without Bow, an injured Willis and Smith who never looked the same. Aldon wasn't there for most of the year and our CB's were getting old or they were no longer there (Carlos, Brown, Hitner). It was a good D but no the same one that led the league in turnovers and points scored for a Defense. 15' starts with Tomsula...

His play was never better than it was in 12'-13' and it's been downhill ever since. His last game as a starter....20-42 for 162 yards passing and a qb rating of 59.2 against the rams.

Last season was indicative of the disfunction of the entire organization. I could mention the Giants, Steelers and Ravens games as counters to the Rams game but we were just awful all around. I feel that Kaep with this oline would be 2012-2013 Kaep. That was the last time our oline was good. He's shown that with a good oline he plays well. I do think the balance and a run game we potentially have now is similar what we had in 12 and 13.

Originally posted by Blindfury:
I think Kaep would be fine and even better.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Originally posted by Mr.Mcgibblets:
well that just can't be! because if true, it takes a dump all over the "Gabbert had all day!" cries...

He had plenty of time, especially compared to the 1st half of last year where the line was getting destroyed up the middle and the right side.

Everyone has noted how well the line played in pass protection, I guess they are just blind.

There's a difference between 2.03 seconds getting rid of the ball without any deress and getting rid of the ball due to intense pressure. Blaine had clean pockets and rushed throws for no reason. 2.03 does not speak to the pass protection, it speaks to the aount of time it took for him to get rid of the ball. There were plays where he could have taken more time.

Quick release means nothing if you're throwing balls into the dirt.

Exhibit A

Originally posted by jcs:
I guess we'll have to wait and see.

We will, and I hope we get a chance to see. Then there will be no "what if's" and "if only" and "maybe". The proof will be right here for all to see and Kaep will either suceed or not. At least we'll know for certain.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Last season was indicative of the disfunction of the entire organization. I could mention the Giants, Steelers and Ravens games as counters to the Rams game but we were just awful all around. I feel that Kaep with this oline would be 2012-2013 Kaep. That was the last time our oline was good. He's shown that with a good oline he plays well. I do think the balance and a run game we potentially have now is similar what we had in 12 and 13.

Those games were Kaep with time. Any QB with time will succeed. Even a guy like Case Keenum would have a decent showing if he had time to sit in the pocket and scan the field.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by jcs:

Someone quoted earlier on the Gabbert thread that we averaged 2.03 sec a pass attempt on Monday. I don't know if Kap is capable of that kind of tempo and I will start by saying his windup doesn't help him.

I think Kaep would be fine and even better.

Kap couldn't even get through his windup in 2.03 seconds, much less decide who to throw to.