Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Speaking of which, what exactly happened to the passes to RBs out of the backfield last yr? yeah, that's right , HaRo. They didn't do passes to RBs out of the backfield and not too many yrs ago, Frank had some 60 or so. How in the heck can that part of the game have been so completely ignored by HC and OC? Oh, right. Those two yokels didn't do Offense.
Well, can't wait for season to start so i can get the bad taste in my mouth and the dark clouds out of my mind on a talent waste of 4 long yrs. By rights we would have had 2, and a shot at a 3rd SB, but no we get NO "O" harbaw/romn. Jeez, what a frigging waste. And for all you remaining harbaw fans out there (there are no romn fans), he's gone...mercifully, along with the best talent we have had in ages. To my mind wasted. But jed and baalke did learn one thing. Another twosome never to choose again. Granted Jed went from awful with ERickson to bad with noln, to most horriblest with Sing. Harbaw reminded me of the "all hat and no cattle" guy, who was just incredibly lucky to inherit such talent...only to flush it down the drain. Am glad we fired most everybody except JT and the Rathman. If HaRo had inherited the team noln had he would have had a worse record. I put harbaw down as the luckiest guy to ever coach in the NFL. All that talent and 2 blown SB shots, plus a 3rd we could have had...against a weak league, relatively, at the time. It was perfect and harbaw screwed us all over.

A drop in receptions by RB's directly correlates to a change in QB's......

It's funny, when AS threw to RB's all the time he was, "captain checkdown". Now CK almost never throws to his checkdown RB and it's Harbaugh and Roman's fault hahaha.

We had a lot of RB's open throughout the year, our QB just felt that his best checkdown was his own legs - good or bad or neutral - that's why the RB receptions declined. If you want to argue that, I welcome you to sit down and watch film with me.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Speaking of which, what exactly happened to the passes to RBs out of the backfield last yr? yeah, that's right , HaRo. They didn't do passes to RBs out of the backfield and not too many yrs ago, Frank had some 60 or so. How in the heck can that part of the game have been so completely ignored by HC and OC? Oh, right. Those two yokels didn't do Offense.
Well, can't wait for season to start so i can get the bad taste in my mouth and the dark clouds out of my mind on a talent waste of 4 long yrs. By rights we would have had 2, and a shot at a 3rd SB, but no we get NO "O" harbaw/romn. Jeez, what a frigging waste. And for all you remaining harbaw fans out there (there are no romn fans), he's gone...mercifully, along with the best talent we have had in ages. To my mind wasted. But jed and baalke did learn one thing. Another twosome never to choose again. Granted Jed went from awful with ERickson to bad with noln, to most horriblest with Sing. Harbaw reminded me of the "all hat and no cattle" guy, who was just incredibly lucky to inherit such talent...only to flush it down the drain. Am glad we fired most everybody except JT and the Rathman. If HaRo had inherited the team noln had he would have had a worse record. I put harbaw down as the luckiest guy to ever coach in the NFL. All that talent and 2 blown SB shots, plus a 3rd we could have had...against a weak league, relatively, at the time. It was perfect and harbaw screwed us all over.

Really good post!!

agree, but then that is no shock and awe when you look at who wrote it

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Speaking of which, what exactly happened to the passes to RBs out of the backfield last yr? yeah, that's right , HaRo. They didn't do passes to RBs out of the backfield and not too many yrs ago, Frank had some 60 or so. How in the heck can that part of the game have been so completely ignored by HC and OC? Oh, right. Those two yokels didn't do Offense.
Well, can't wait for season to start so i can get the bad taste in my mouth and the dark clouds out of my mind on a talent waste of 4 long yrs. By rights we would have had 2, and a shot at a 3rd SB, but no we get NO "O" harbaw/romn. Jeez, what a frigging waste. And for all you remaining harbaw fans out there (there are no romn fans), he's gone...mercifully, along with the best talent we have had in ages. To my mind wasted. But jed and baalke did learn one thing. Another twosome never to choose again. Granted Jed went from awful with ERickson to bad with noln, to most horriblest with Sing. Harbaw reminded me of the "all hat and no cattle" guy, who was just incredibly lucky to inherit such talent...only to flush it down the drain. Am glad we fired most everybody except JT and the Rathman. If HaRo had inherited the team noln had he would have had a worse record. I put harbaw down as the luckiest guy to ever coach in the NFL. All that talent and 2 blown SB shots, plus a 3rd we could have had...against a weak league, relatively, at the time. It was perfect and harbaw screwed us all over.

A drop in receptions by RB's directly correlates to a change in QB's......

It's funny, when AS threw to RB's all the time he was, "captain checkdown". Now CK almost never throws to his checkdown RB and it's Harbaugh and Roman's fault hahaha.

We had a lot of RB's open throughout the year, our QB just felt that his best checkdown was his own legs - good or bad or neutral - that's why the RB receptions declined. If you want to argue that, I welcome you to sit down and watch film with me.

Coaching is everything here like jd noted. You don't switch from a "check down" QB (well designed to beat Seattle this way) to CK "gun slinger with wheels" and not change the entire mentality of your offensive approach. Year 2 s/h/b the focus-year of RB's as being primary targets (not just last resorts) to help balance out his deeper threat and running game. We failed to focus there. Clearly this skill set was not practiced nor emphasized or even incorporated into game plans. In fact, many times you could see the RB's just instantly turn up field to block once that read or two wasn't connected with. That's design. Given that the trend stayed the same, it's safe to say it wasn't just CK choosing to ignore wide open flares but coaching/design within his skill set. I believe we even had the audio of the coaches reminding CK that if that first read wasn't open to take off running (NFCCG?). That's coaching around CK's skill set. Like most, the answer probably lies somewhere in between but clearly, the short screen game, primary designs of passes to the RB's was not emphasized during the CK-HaRoman era. Sadly, that's the balanced skill set we needed to beat Seattle IMHO.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
A drop in receptions by RB's directly correlates to a change in QB's......

It's funny, when AS threw to RB's all the time he was, "captain checkdown". Now CK almost never throws to his checkdown RB and it's Harbaugh and Roman's fault hahaha.

We had a lot of RB's open throughout the year, our QB just felt that his best checkdown was his own legs - good or bad or neutral - that's why the RB receptions declined. If you want to argue that, I welcome you to sit down and watch film with me.

Then why did the number of passes to rbs dramatically decrease in 2011? Or is that Kaps fault too?

Gore was coming off seasons of 70+ targets and all of a sudden hes down to 31 in 2011...so yes it was on Harbaugh/Roman for their garbage scheme

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
A drop in receptions by RB's directly correlates to a change in QB's......

It's funny, when AS threw to RB's all the time he was, "captain checkdown". Now CK almost never throws to his checkdown RB and it's Harbaugh and Roman's fault hahaha.

We had a lot of RB's open throughout the year, our QB just felt that his best checkdown was his own legs - good or bad or neutral - that's why the RB receptions declined. If you want to argue that, I welcome you to sit down and watch film with me.

Then why did the number of passes to rbs dramatically decrease in 2011? Or is that Kaps fault too?

Gore was coming off seasons of 70+ targets and all of a sudden hes down to 31 in 2011...so yes it was on Harbaugh/Roman for their garbage scheme

Thank you for fighting historical revisionism.

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
A drop in receptions by RB's directly correlates to a change in QB's......

It's funny, when AS threw to RB's all the time he was, "captain checkdown". Now CK almost never throws to his checkdown RB and it's Harbaugh and Roman's fault hahaha.

We had a lot of RB's open throughout the year, our QB just felt that his best checkdown was his own legs - good or bad or neutral - that's why the RB receptions declined. If you want to argue that, I welcome you to sit down and watch film with me.

Then why did the number of passes to rbs dramatically decrease in 2011? Or is that Kaps fault too?

Gore was coming off seasons of 70 targets and all of a sudden hes down to 31 in 2011...so yes it was on Harbaugh/Roman for their garbage scheme

I agree it was the scheme that had to do with the RBs getting such a small amount of targets in the passing game under HaRo's offense. Add in the fact that Kap likes to 'checkdown' to his scrambling and it resulted in even less targets to the RBs in the passing game. 19 targets for a #1 RB that started all 16 games is pretty much neglect. Even if HaRo doesn't believe in RBs in the passing game, at some point, when looking at the film, someone should have said, "We should throw it to Gore because no one is covering him".

What's funny is that Gore was making himself available for a pass on the majority of the plays. He does indeed release after blitz check to make himself a target. So it's as if the pass play had an assigned checkdown option, but Kap/Alex was never told to use it.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
A drop in receptions by RB's directly correlates to a change in QB's......

It's funny, when AS threw to RB's all the time he was, "captain checkdown". Now CK almost never throws to his checkdown RB and it's Harbaugh and Roman's fault hahaha.

We had a lot of RB's open throughout the year, our QB just felt that his best checkdown was his own legs - good or bad or neutral - that's why the RB receptions declined. If you want to argue that, I welcome you to sit down and watch film with me.

Then why did the number of passes to rbs dramatically decrease in 2011? Or is that Kaps fault too?

Gore was coming off seasons of 70 targets and all of a sudden hes down to 31 in 2011...so yes it was on Harbaugh/Roman for their garbage scheme

I agree it was the scheme that had to do with the RBs getting such a small amount of targets in the passing game under HaRo's offense. Add in the fact that Kap likes to 'checkdown' to his scrambling and it resulted in even less targets to the RBs in the passing game. 19 targets for a #1 RB that started all 16 games is pretty much neglect. Even if HaRo doesn't believe in RBs in the passing game, at some point, when looking at the film, someone should have said, "We should throw it to Gore because no one is covering him".

What's funny is that Gore was making himself available for a pass on the majority of the plays. He does indeed release after blitz check to make himself a target. So it's as if the pass play had an assigned checkdown option, but Kap/Alex was never told to use it.

Yes. Yes. And more yes. And we have the tape and trending stats to prove it. And I'll say it again this year. With this simple add you will see a big difference in our offense and especially on first down production.

Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So, somewhere around age 28, he stopped being good at catching passes in the flat? Really?

If that's what you think, I have to wonder why you were so critical of the team letting Gore walk.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So, somewhere around age 28, he stopped being good at catching passes in the flat? Really?

If that's what you think, I have to wonder why you were so critical of the team letting Gore walk.

Man I swear, when Singletary abuses Gore we complain, when Harbaugh preserves Gore, we complain.

You guys are never happy.

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So Frank could have the 2nd and 3rd most carries in his career at what you call an old age but he lost the ability to catch the ball?

#VerbWisdom

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So, somewhere around age 28, he stopped being good at catching passes in the flat? Really?

If that's what you think, I have to wonder why you were so critical of the team letting Gore walk.

Man I swear, when Singletary abuses Gore we complain, when Harbaugh preserves Gore, we complain.

You guys are never happy.

I see. So you think pounding him into the line over and over preserves him better than letting him catch passes in the flat in space. Hooookay.

Nice post NCommand, and Thl. It was a bit of both, CK and coaches. Jonnydel, I agree a lot of CKs "next moves" were to take off running. Yes, HE did that, but still, he had coaches who could have insisted he check down to his RBs. They didn't. He didn't. Result? Virtually no RB passes in situations where the D was just giving it to us. All we had to do was check down. HaRo never, or rarely ever did. The stats on Gore pre vs during HaRo are incredible when you look at them, and NC is right, it was a bit of both. But if I had a QB and I wanted him to do less running and more checkdowns to RBs, I would darn sure tell him. Well, that obviously never happened, or kap was deaf. I doubt the latter. This just oozes ppp(in medicine, "pizz poor protoplasm) . In football, pizz poor planning...by ppp. Sure kap can take responsibility for some of this, but he wasn't the one calling the plays. Ergo, I put this on HaRo, mainly, definitely, and always. Like I said...all that talent... what a friggin' waste.

Jonnydel, one other thing. I never said alex was captain checkdown. I loved the way he looked things over and neatly, rapidly, and then delicately, threw a short pass for a couple yds to Frank who then got another 4...or more. Why that was schidt canned by HaRo....I'll never know...nor will I ever forgive. And THAT is why I am so ecstatic about JT...because, finally all hat no cattle is gone. On top of that, while JH was going thru his histrionics on the sideline, one coach was greeting guys , patting them on the shoulder pads, and telling what a nice block or tackle or reception or pass they had made....that guy? He's now our HC...and he brought, on paper anyway, one helluva lot more coaching talent with him than JH ever had. Granted, that doesn't make for a good team....but I know, nobody is going to ignore our RBs out in the flats or 3 yds downfield this yr.

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So Frank could have the 2nd and 3rd most carries in his career at what you call an old age but he lost the ability to catch the ball?

#VerbWisdom

If stats are the only thing you rely on when trying to figure out the reason for Gore's decline then you'll never really understand why.

Gore has always been our bell cow, and even before Harbaugh it was common knowledge that we over use Gore. So why put more mileage on his legs by throwing him passes?!