Colin Kaepernick Thread

We didn't have to throw to gore. We could have used RB #2, or RB #3, or FB or whatever as "floaters" or release valves. They didn't have to be just Frank Gore. Also, just focusing on Gore, he would have taken a lot less licks and a lot less hits, on sideline, backfield or upfield 3yds, than he ever would have taken going thru the 2 hole, the 4 hole or the 1 or 3 hole. Those are the ones where he got rocked.

Originally posted by verb1der:
If stats are the only thing you rely on when trying to figure out the reason for Gore's decline then you'll never really understand why.

Gore has always been our bell cow, and even before Harbaugh it was common knowledge that we over use Gore. So why put more mileage on his legs by throwing him passes?!

As evidenced by all those designed passes to the other RB's when keeping Gore fresh…

Just wasn't part of the playbook, there was an article all about the Niner being dead last in the NFL in screen passes and passes to the RB. Had nothing to do with Gore.

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So Frank could have the 2nd and 3rd most carries in his career at what you call an old age but he lost the ability to catch the ball?

#VerbWisdom

If stats are the only thing you rely on when trying to figure out the reason for Gore's decline then you'll never really understand why.

Gore has always been our bell cow, and even before Harbaugh it was common knowledge that we over use Gore. So why put more mileage on his legs by throwing him passes?!

I never thought about that angle, preserving Gore. But whats another 3-4 touches a game? That's all it takes to consider a RB a part of the passing game. 3-4 catches a game on average.

Agreed. And then once or twice that you do it, just the threat of it is worth plenty. Like in the SEA and Rams games, when the opponents D knew which play we were running before the ball was snapped, man would that ever have been the place for a RB pass...gore or Hyde or FB. I fully expect to see that as a part of our O this yr. And I don't buy kap can't do it. If not, he sure as hell can learn.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So Frank could have the 2nd and 3rd most carries in his career at what you call an old age but he lost the ability to catch the ball?

#VerbWisdom

If stats are the only thing you rely on when trying to figure out the reason for Gore's decline then you'll never really understand why.

Gore has always been our bell cow, and even before Harbaugh it was common knowledge that we over use Gore. So why put more mileage on his legs by throwing him passes?!

I never thought about that angle, preserving Gore. But whats another 3-4 touches a game? That's all it takes to consider a RB a part of the passing game. 3-4 catches a game on average.

They couldve taken the handful of runs to nowhere on 1st down and tried something more modern like throw gore a handful of passes so we werent stuck in 2nd &10 all the time

Another amen.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:

Originally posted by verb1der:

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
Frank Gore had 147 targets combined in 2009 and 10 in the last 2 seasons before Harbaugh/roman

From 2011-14 (plus playoffs) he had 135 total targets

What's wrong with these stats? It's what happens when a player gets old.

So Frank could have the 2nd and 3rd most carries in his career at what you call an old age but he lost the ability to catch the ball?

#VerbWisdom

If stats are the only thing you rely on when trying to figure out the reason for Gore's decline then you'll never really understand why.

Gore has always been our bell cow, and even before Harbaugh it was common knowledge that we over use Gore. So why put more mileage on his legs by throwing him passes?!

I never thought about that angle, preserving Gore. But whats another 3-4 touches a game? That's all it takes to consider a RB a part of the passing game. 3-4 catches a game on average.

Sure we could've done that. But passing to RBs just wasn't part of the philosophy, Roman was more about using a "TE as a WR" instead of a "RB as pass catcher". it's as simple as that, no need to over think it guys.

Ok, Verb, you are right. romn was a fool, unh, make that tool....who had absolutely no business being an OC on a team as talented as this. Worse, harbaw stayed with him. Gadzooks.

Originally posted by verb1der:
Sure we could've done that. But passing to RBs just wasn't part of the philosophy, Roman was more about using a "TE as a WR" instead of a "RB as pass catcher". it's as simple as that, no need to over think it guys.

Great. You've come full circle. Yes! The lack of dump-offs to Frank Gore or any Niner RB for that matter was a matter of scheme. And that's why it's reasonable to expect more passes to running backs this year now that there will be a new scheme.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Ok, Verb, you are right. romn was a fool, unh, make that tool....who had absolutely no business being an OC on a team as talented as this. Worse, harbaw stayed with him. Gadzooks.

I don't like Roman, but you guys are wayyyyy too hard on him. just think about the list of highly reputable defensive coordinators he's outcoached in the post-season.

Anyone who thinks we won't miss a step, be careful!

Originally posted by verb1der:
Sure we could've done that. But passing to RBs just wasn't part of the philosophy, Roman was more about using a "TE as a WR" instead of a "RB as pass catcher". it's as simple as that, no need to over think it guys.

that explains why he lined up miller at the top of your tv screen, gave reps to miss lloyd while stevie and two kids set on the bench playing checkers,, ok makes sense,,, maybe we should have given roman another year to tweak things

Originally posted by verb1der:
I don't like Roman, but you guys are wayyyyy too hard on him. just think about the list of highly reputable defensive coordinators he's outcoached in the post-season.

Anyone who thinks we won't miss a step, be careful!

like the super bowl,, he outcoached himself there in the worst possible moment,,, of course aided by the enabler, the former head coach. verb has sunk to a new low,, trying to humanize roman.lol.. jesus we scored four points a game per game in the second half of games and you are scared we may miss a step???

and a double amen to that cc. 4 pts in the second half of each of the games in the last half of the season. It's painful...but worse...it was embarrassing, and required some instant firing...but didn't happen. I probably shouldn't say this but I don't even feel half bad about what I think about romn. He deserved it.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
and a double amen to that cc. 4 pts in the second half of each of the games in the last half of the season. It's painful...but worse...it was embarrassing, and required some instant firing...but didn't happen. I probably shouldn't say this but I don't even feel half bad about what I think about romn. He deserved it.

he deserved it after the super bowl but i could not win that battle

J HARBAUGH did not use Gore effectively in the pass game. VD is not, never has been, a possession receiver. WRs haven't been a strength of this team since TO left.

So Harbaugh's system depended on Gore rushing behind a power line or the QB making a play. Teams figured this out and realized that containing Gore and CK was virtually the same defensive problem...play contain against the run and limit YAC...win.

If JH had been able to adjust, as I believe he was trying to do last year, it would require passing more to the RBS to open up the WRs. He tried to force to Miller downfield...why?

And this isn't all on JH and Roman. Baalke knew they lacked a speed receiver so brought in Boldin, Johnson, Lloyd and projects.

A couple questions...

• If JH hadn't known it was all over last year would he have played Ellington more?
• Who took Gore out of the passing game?
• Will Geep use RBs as receivers more?
• Will CKs off season work and Logan influence open up his game and take him to the next level? I believe it will happen this year but probably not at the beginning...will develop throughout the year.