Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by crake49:
Thanks to VinculumJuris and jonnydel! As usual, I've learned something more about football here at the zone.

Cheers. A good discussion in the Kap thread for a change.

Too much analyzing and good football talk going on here...

Kaps a thug guyzzzz DUH!!

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Too much analyzing and good football talk going on here...

Kaps a thug guyzzzz DUH!!

THUG LIFE!

Originally posted by crake49:
THUG LIFE!

kid in the back

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by crake49:
^^^^ jonnydel, I've read that these days teams running a ZBS generally have better pass protection. Do you agree with that?

(and BTW, I think you meant 'discontinuity.')

Oh no, I meant discongruity.... I feel that strongly about it hahaha.

Yes and no. They get better pass pro because it puts a lot of horizontal strain on the front 7. Because the lineman have to take a half second to make sure it's a pass first. When playing against a zone blocking scheme, there's usually a lot of lateral movement, so the lineman have to make sure they don't need to move laterally before they can move vertically towards the QB. Half a second in the NFL can make a huge difference. But, the downside is, a lot of teams will slant lines different ways against ZBS, so, if you do become predictable in any way with your ZB, you can end up with an unblocked rusher off the edge. The key is, whatever personnel group you're in, you have to be able to effectively run out of that personnel group to gain any advantage against the rush. If there is no threat of a lateral movement run, then your PB gains no advantage in the ZBS.

I think the teamwork aspect of the ZBS helps with pass protection, as well. Obviously gap/power schemes have double team blocks, but they are a staple of the zone runs, and they happen so fluidly that OL often leave and assume blocks seamlessly and instinctively. I think that level of familiarity with one's line mates transfers naturally to the passing game as well, helping for recognition and pickup on stunts and blitzes (which we sucked at last year).

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I just remember them being in 2nd and long A LOT, 2nd and 7, 2nd and 8 was pretty normal from what I can recall. They ranked either second or third worst in the NFL in first down production, right around heavyweights like Jacksonville.

why did we always call for a pass play that got five yards when we were at third and 9
why did they line up miller up top of your tv screen
why were they in love with the fullback dive

I trust and have faith ck , the players and the new coaches learned from those mistakes and we will never see that garbage again

The bolded does make me chuckle because i've heard that so many times from different people. It's about creatively using a personnel package. If a defense ALWAYS plays you cover 3 zone when you're in a 21 personnel, why not use 21 personnel to spread the field and isolate a WR on a LB??? Isn't that playing to the predictability of the defense? Also, we averaged a high completion percentage whenever Miller was spread out wide.....

i guess you are a fan of that, sorry. to me it made no sense to line him up , play miss lloyd while you had stevie and two kids on the bench playing checkers,, s**t like that retarded the development of our two kids and as a result we still do not know what we have in those two

But, if you have a QB that, at times, struggles with his progressions and multiple targets, does it not make sense to give him a sure read and favorable matchup?

I get what you are saying, at least when Kap identifies man coverage. I can't say I have the footage in front of me, but I can swear we passed out of that alignment in zone coverage as well. That kind of burns me up. We essentially write off Miller as a WR against the CB either way, but we can count on our WR beating the LB in man. In a zone, the LBs can pass the WR off or hit him as he passes through zones, and Miller is still useless to us out wide. I don't see the advantage in that scenario.

JonnyD--good point about Seattle stopping quick hitters and the necessity of using RBs...but these are very similar methods of attack.

My problem with CK, or the way he was asked to play, is that if the quick hitter didn't work he took off. There's been a desperate need for timed options...1, 2, 3...then bail...or start over. Will be fun to watch. Sadly, VD has never been a good short option so teams didn't have to play him short.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

JonnyD--good point about Seattle stopping quick hitters and the necessity of using RBs...but these are very similar methods of attack.

My problem with CK, or the way he was asked to play, is that if the quick hitter didn't work he took off. There's been a desperate need for timed options...1, 2, 3...then bail...or start over. Will be fun to watch. Sadly, VD has never been a good short option so teams didn't have to play him short.

Up till the end of the season ..he didn't start really bailing on the play like you say...you can tell by his sacks

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Up till the end of the season ..he didn't start really bailing on the play like you say...you can tell by his sacks

Many reasons...true...but timing was one. Line was terrible and he tried to hang in...sack. My question...that should be answered this year...was it play calling or CKs limited vision...or how much of each?

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Many reasons...true...but timing was one. Line was terrible and he tried to hang in...sack. My question...that should be answered this year...was it play calling or CKs limited vision...or how much of each?

Although, just to throw this out there, if it was on CK and he's worked hard to improve on that, it can give a false impression that it was all on Harbaugh - not CK.

My deal is, CK definitely has a lot to improve on. Which is saying a lot about his potential because he's already pretty good - there would be at least half the teams in the league would snatch him up in a heartbeat. So, he's an intriguing player, like Michael Vick or Donnovan McNabb or Steve Young - guys that physical abilities give them the potential to be ultra lethal. I just hope that he takes the Steve Young route and not the Michael Vick.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Although, just to throw this out there, if it was on CK and he's worked hard to improve on that, it can give a false impression that it was all on Harbaugh - not CK.

My deal is, CK definitely has a lot to improve on. Which is saying a lot about his potential because he's already pretty good - there would be at least half the teams in the league would snatch him up in a heartbeat. So, he's an intriguing player, like Michael Vick or Donnovan McNabb or Steve Young - guys that physical abilities give them the potential to be ultra lethal. I just hope that he takes the Steve Young route and not the Michael Vick.

He's no fool, and he has the benefit of being able to compare the careers of Young and Vick. I'm guessing he's shooting for the Steve Young route; not that it's an easy thing to do.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Although, just to throw this out there, if it was on CK and he's worked hard to improve on that, it can give a false impression that it was all on Harbaugh - not CK.

My deal is, CK definitely has a lot to improve on. Which is saying a lot about his potential because he's already pretty good - there would be at least half the teams in the league would snatch him up in a heartbeat. So, he's an intriguing player, like Michael Vick or Donnovan McNabb or Steve Young - guys that physical abilities give them the potential to be ultra lethal. I just hope that he takes the Steve Young route and not the Michael Vick.

He's no fool, and he has the benefit of being able to compare the careers of Young and Vick. I'm guessing he's shooting for the Steve Young route; not that it's an easy thing to do.

wonder what the elvis g. route would be?

Originally posted by cciowa:
wonder what the elvis g. route would be?

Just stand there and take a beating.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Although, just to throw this out there, if it was on CK and he's worked hard to improve on that, it can give a false impression that it was all on Harbaugh - not CK.

My deal is, CK definitely has a lot to improve on. Which is saying a lot about his potential because he's already pretty good - there would be at least half the teams in the league would snatch him up in a heartbeat. So, he's an intriguing player, like Michael Vick or Donnovan McNabb or Steve Young - guys that physical abilities give them the potential to be ultra lethal. I just hope that he takes the Steve Young route and not the Michael Vick.

He's no fool, and he has the benefit of being able to compare the careers of Young and Vick. I'm guessing he's shooting for the Steve Young route; not that it's an easy thing to do.

wonder what the elvis g. route would be?

going to Kansas city?

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by cciowa:
wonder what the elvis g. route would be?

Just stand there and take a beating.

and then the mayor threatens to run you out of town! lol.. those picks he threw in that game did piss me off to no end