Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I have a question hopefully one of you guys CANNOT answer it: I feel Bush was brought in to play the role Shane Vereen did against the Seahawks in the Super Bowl (He had 11 catches and forced those Seattle LBs to cover). That being said, how would you / do you defend against a 21 personell grouping with Bush and Hyde together in a split back set, a healthy VD, Boldin, Torrey Smitj and a QB that can run really well.

It would be tough to say the least- at least on the passing game. For one, I wouldn't go man-man, CK would be too deadly with that personnel and he does well againstan coverage. I would go with a Dime set and use one of the DB's in a spy, and use a cover 6 with hook/curl outside zones and only a 3 man rush. This way, I've got defenders for hi/lo smash or levels type concepts as well as verticals concept. So, the only throw I'm actively giving up is the flat to the strong side.

Kap used to hit his checkdowns in 2012...heck i remember him hitting them in stride..or when running forward drawing defenders then hitting them.

I remember the 2012 Rams or Saints game was it? where he hit Bruce Miller in stride and it picked up huge yards.

as well as that key pass to Gore in the 2012 season playoff game against the Packers...which he ran forward then lobbed it with touch to Gore for a big gain.

I don't know, it just seems something changed from the 2012 offense, compared to 2013 and 2014. or atleast more so 2014...where we just blatantly ignored the checkdowns....yet called deep passes to the FB.

Kap is a team player and does everything his coaches tell him...be it on the field or off the field. which makes me believe the coaches were telling him to ignore the check downs and find recievers downfield...or at least the majority of the time, unless specifically being told to also look for the checkdown.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Kap used to hit his checkdowns in 2012...heck i remember him hitting them in stride..or when running forward drawing defenders then hitting them.

I remember the 2012 Rams or Saints game was it? where he hit Bruce Miller in stride and it picked up huge yards.

as well as that key pass to Gore in the 2012 season playoff game against the Packers...which he ran forward then lobbed it with touch to Gore for a big gain.

I don't know, it just seems something changed from the 2012 offense, compared to 2013 and 2014. or atleast more so 2014...where we just blatantly ignored the checkdowns....yet called deep passes to the FB.

Kap is a team player and does everything his coaches tell him...be it on the field or off the field. which makes me believe the coaches were telling him to ignore the check downs and find recievers downfield...or at least the majority of the time, unless specifically being told to also look for the checkdown.

I hear you. Checkdowns via the RBs were never a priority in the offense. From 2011-2014 we were ranked dead last iirc.

Not really sure what the problem was with Kap. I think at times he didn't go to the checkdown. Other times the pass pro fell apart. Other times it seemed like the coaching staff was overly reliant on his scrambling ability to be the escape valve, instead of an actual pass target.

I also thought Kaps fundamentals have not been as strong as it was in 2012. When you're a backup you don't get game reps. There is no scrambling. The focus is strictly on practicing fundamentals and film study. Kap hit the ground running in 2012, but I feel after the SB loss he started to press and was simply trying to make too much happen. He needs to let the game come to him and operate within the offense. There were times when he flat out missed open WRs underneath.

I think this off-season was all about Kap strengthening his fundamentals. Not just his throwing mechanics, but also how he approaches the game, so once the bullets start flying he plays more like a smart, efficient QB.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Kap used to hit his checkdowns in 2012...heck i remember him hitting them in stride..or when running forward drawing defenders then hitting them.

I remember the 2012 Rams or Saints game was it? where he hit Bruce Miller in stride and it picked up huge yards.

as well as that key pass to Gore in the 2012 season playoff game against the Packers...which he ran forward then lobbed it with touch to Gore for a big gain.

I don't know, it just seems something changed from the 2012 offense, compared to 2013 and 2014. or atleast more so 2014...where we just blatantly ignored the checkdowns....yet called deep passes to the FB.

Kap is a team player and does everything his coaches tell him...be it on the field or off the field. which makes me believe the coaches were telling him to ignore the check downs and find recievers downfield...or at least the majority of the time, unless specifically being told to also look for the checkdown.

Remember that in 2011 we had a really rough time continuing drives due to bad first down management. So during the offseason and in 2012 there was a focus on putting the offense in manageable 2nd and 3rd downs via high % short passes and check downs. That approach was tailor-made for AS and since CK took over mid season the focus was still there that year. Over the next 2 off seasons we didn't hear about that same focus and the results spoke for themselves. Imho the coaches just got enamored with CK's arm strength and moved on to other things, forgetting what allot of his breakout success was built on. Forgetting that approach along with CK's fastballs on short passes and lack of a deep threat (no more moss) to open up the field all contributed to an unsuccessful short passing game.

Originally posted by SofaKing:
I hear you. Checkdowns via the RBs were never a priority in the offense. From 2011-2014 we were ranked dead last iirc.

Not really sure what the problem was with Kap. I think at times he didn't go to the checkdown. Other times the pass pro fell apart. Other times it seemed like the coaching staff was overly reliant on his scrambling ability to be the escape valve, instead of an actual pass target.

I also thought Kaps fundamentals have not been as strong as it was in 2012. When you're a backup you don't get game reps. There is no scrambling. The focus is strictly on practicing fundamentals and film study. Kap hit the ground running in 2012, but I feel after the SB loss he started to press and was simply trying to make too much happen. He needs to let the game come to him and operate within the offense. There were times when he flat out missed open WRs underneath.

I think this off-season was all about Kap strengthening his fundamentals. Not just his throwing mechanics, but also how he approaches the game, so once the bullets start flying he plays more like a smart, efficient QB.

Could also be a reaction to criticism of any QB who checks down...except for Brady and Manning.

Originally posted by boast:

Ironic he's doing 'man of steel'. His career curve is about the same with Cam Newton. Pretty much the same successful first couple of years. The NFL by storm. Then very tepid. Now trying to get back to that top level again. Both have about the same type of natural talent.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ironic he's doing 'man of steel'. His career curve is about the same with Cam Newton. Pretty much the same successful first couple of years. The NFL by storm. Then very tepid. Now trying to get back to that top level again. Both have about the same type of natural talent.

Has Newton been doing the same kind of work as Kaepernick this off season. If so, I haven't heard about it.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ironic he's doing 'man of steel'. His career curve is about the same with Cam Newton. Pretty much the same successful first couple of years. The NFL by storm. Then very tepid. Now trying to get back to that top level again. Both have about the same type of natural talent.

Has Newton been doing the same kind of work as Kaepernick this off season. If so, I haven't heard about it.

Newton has more experience than Kaep. What's the point of the question...

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ironic he's doing 'man of steel'. His career curve is about the same with Cam Newton. Pretty much the same successful first couple of years. The NFL by storm. Then very tepid. Now trying to get back to that top level again. Both have about the same type of natural talent.

Has Newton been doing the same kind of work as Kaepernick this off season. If so, I haven't heard about it.

Newton has more experience than Kaep. What's the point of the question...

Unless someone can show me that Newton is working on his game to the same degree that Kaepernick is, the point is that it looks to me like Kaepernick is a harder worker and apparently more dedicated to his craft. I would have thought that was obvious.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ironic he's doing 'man of steel'. His career curve is about the same with Cam Newton. Pretty much the same successful first couple of years. The NFL by storm. Then very tepid. Now trying to get back to that top level again. Both have about the same type of natural talent.

Has Newton been doing the same kind of work as Kaepernick this off season. If so, I haven't heard about it.

Newton has more experience than Kaep. What's the point of the question...

Unless someone can show me that Newton is working on his game to the same degree that Kaepernick is, the point is that it looks to me like Kaepernick is a harder worker and apparently more dedicated to his craft. I would have thought that was obvious.

Ok, but we are talking about result on the field and career wise so far...

Kaep was working in the offseason last year too and the translation to the field was very minimal.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ok, but we are talking about result on the field and career wise so far...

Kaep was working in the offseason last year too and the translation to the field was very minimal.

This is much different work

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Remember that in 2011 we had a really rough time continuing drives due to bad first down management. So during the offseason and in 2012 there was a focus on putting the offense in manageable 2nd and 3rd downs via high % short passes and check downs. That approach was tailor-made for AS and since CK took over mid season the focus was still there that year. Over the next 2 off seasons we didn't hear about that same focus and the results spoke for themselves. Imho the coaches just got enamored with CK's arm strength and moved on to other things, forgetting what allot of his breakout success was built on. Forgetting that approach along with CK's fastballs on short passes and lack of a deep threat (no more moss) to open up the field all contributed to an unsuccessful short passing game.

Exactly what I felt. We moved away from the Alex Smith offense which beat SEA time and again to the CK offense. Stupid decision

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Ironic he's doing 'man of steel'. His career curve is about the same with Cam Newton. Pretty much the same successful first couple of years. The NFL by storm. Then very tepid. Now trying to get back to that top level again. Both have about the same type of natural talent.

Has Newton been doing the same kind of work as Kaepernick this off season. If so, I haven't heard about it.

Newton has more experience than Kaep. What's the point of the question...

Unless someone can show me that Newton is working on his game to the same degree that Kaepernick is, the point is that it looks to me like Kaepernick is a harder worker and apparently more dedicated to his craft. I would have thought that was obvious.

So other QBs in the league must be sitting on their asses if they're not posting photos on Instagram working out.

#NTlogic

Originally posted by verb1der:
So other QBs in the league must be sitting on their asses if they're not posting photos on Instagram working out.

#NTlogic

Niner talk logic is quitting before the season starts bad mouthing coaches and players