Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:
Hey, I'll be the first to admit I'm susceptible to group think.

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Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:
Nothing like circle-jerks to prop up arguements.

Right, because there is absolutely no difference between agreeing with someone and having a circle jerk with them.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit I'm susceptible to group think.

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Should define your own circle of jerks then.

Well that is simple...a circle jerk is anytime more than one person disagrees with Bodhi.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:
Nothing like circle-jerks to prop up arguements.

Right, because there is absolutely no difference between agreeing with someone and having a circle jerk with them.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit I'm susceptible to group think.

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Should define your own circle of jerks then.

Well that is simple...a circle jerk is anytime more than one person disagrees with Bodhi.

Circle Jerk = Anytime more than 1 person has something positive to say about the niners
Being a Realist = Seeing everything the niners do in a negative light

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I have a question hopefully one of you guys CANNOT answer it: I feel Bush was brought in to play the role Shane Vereen did against the Seahawks in the Super Bowl (He had 11 catches and forced those Seattle LBs to cover). That being said, how would you / do you defend against a 21 personell grouping with Bush and Hyde together in a split back set, a healthy VD, Boldin, Torrey Smitj and a QB that can run really well.

I agree that personnel can pose some matchup problems for a defense. I'd consider it a passing personnel because neither Hyde or Bush are going to lead block. That said, I would counter wth a nickel defense and force the 49ers to run the ball. If the 49ers pass, then I'm sagging off the RBs, forcing the 49ers to show that Kap and Torrey are a capable of connecting deep, and that the 49ers are willing to incorporate RBs into the passing game.

I would not allow VD to beat me deep or Kap to rip off scrambles for chunk yardage. Zone defense with a spy on Kap. I give Hyde and Bush room in the passing game until they prove they can beat me. If Kap can move the ball in 5-7 yard increments down the field, tip your cap then adjust accordingly.

How would you keep both VD and Smith from beating you deep? How do you account for Boldin on the intermediate routes and Bush on wheel routes, crossing routes, check downs? What about Hyde running the ball all while spying Kaep?

Im here for the circle jerk

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I have a question hopefully one of you guys CANNOT answer it: I feel Bush was brought in to play the role Shane Vereen did against the Seahawks in the Super Bowl (He had 11 catches and forced those Seattle LBs to cover). That being said, how would you / do you defend against a 21 personell grouping with Bush and Hyde together in a split back set, a healthy VD, Boldin, Torrey Smitj and a QB that can run really well.

I agree that personnel can pose some matchup problems for a defense. I'd consider it a passing personnel because neither Hyde or Bush are going to lead block. That said, I would counter wth a nickel defense and force the 49ers to run the ball. If the 49ers pass, then I'm sagging off the RBs, forcing the 49ers to show that Kap and Torrey are a capable of connecting deep, and that the 49ers are willing to incorporate RBs into the passing game.

I would not allow VD to beat me deep or Kap to rip off scrambles for chunk yardage. Zone defense with a spy on Kap. I give Hyde and Bush room in the passing game until they prove they can beat me. If Kap can move the ball in 5-7 yard increments down the field, tip your cap then adjust accordingly.

How would you keep both VD and Smith from beating you deep? How do you account for Boldin on the intermediate routes and Bush on wheel routes, crossing routes, check downs? What about Hyde running the ball all while spying Kaep?

This year will be extremely telling of where Kap is at I his development. As long as the line plays even half decent, he really shouldn't have any excuses for bad play.

The offense has the potential to be exceptionally better then our 2012 offense. Which was probably our best under Harbaugh. We had Moss and VD clearing things out for Crabtree which helped open up our run game also. This year we have Torrey taking up Moss' spot and Torrey should be world's more effective than an aging Moss. I also expect VD to play hard considering it's a contract year. In place of Crabtree we have Boldin who in my opinion is far more effective at working those intermediate routes/3rd down conversions. We all love Gore but hopefully Hyde can prove he was worth that 2nd round pick.

I still don't understand how people can't be excited for this year.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I have a question hopefully one of you guys CANNOT answer it: I feel Bush was brought in to play the role Shane Vereen did against the Seahawks in the Super Bowl (He had 11 catches and forced those Seattle LBs to cover). That being said, how would you / do you defend against a 21 personell grouping with Bush and Hyde together in a split back set, a healthy VD, Boldin, Torrey Smitj and a QB that can run really well.

I agree that personnel can pose some matchup problems for a defense. I'd consider it a passing personnel because neither Hyde or Bush are going to lead block. That said, I would counter wth a nickel defense and force the 49ers to run the ball. If the 49ers pass, then I'm sagging off the RBs, forcing the 49ers to show that Kap and Torrey are a capable of connecting deep, and that the 49ers are willing to incorporate RBs into the passing game.

I would not allow VD to beat me deep or Kap to rip off scrambles for chunk yardage. Zone defense with a spy on Kap. I give Hyde and Bush room in the passing game until they prove they can beat me. If Kap can move the ball in 5-7 yard increments down the field, tip your cap then adjust accordingly.

How would you keep both VD and Smith from beating you deep? How do you account for Boldin on the intermediate routes and Bush on wheel routes, crossing routes, check downs? What about Hyde running the ball all while spying Kaep?

This year will be extremely telling of where Kap is at I his development. As long as the line plays even half decent, he really shouldn't have any excuses for bad play.

The offense has the potential to be exceptionally better then our 2012 offense. Which was probably our best under Harbaugh. We had Moss and VD clearing things out for Crabtree which helped open up our run game also. This year we have Torrey taking up Moss' spot and Torrey should be world's more effective than an aging Moss. I also expect VD to play hard considering it's a contract year. In place of Crabtree we have Boldin who in my opinion is far more effective at working those intermediate routes/3rd down conversions. We all love Gore but hopefully Hyde can prove he was worth that 2nd round pick.

I still don't understand how people can't be excited for this year.

I'm excited! you didn't mention Delanie Walker, who was a HUGE part of that offense being so effective. It was hard to defend two TEs that ran that fast.

3 posts above , #696, sdaddy just laid out our O for this yr. Book it, that will be us. WR in draft?
Sdaddy just showed you why we don't take a WR til late. Then, as in Mad Dogs draft, we take 3 WRs bam-bam-bam from 130 something up to and including 180 something. We got the O parts we need...now we need a HC/OC who can use what we have, as opposed to last yr when we had better talent and schidt for OC/HCing. Nice post sdaddy.

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by BodhiPaddlesOut:
Nothing like circle-jerks to prop up arguements.

Right, because there is absolutely no difference between agreeing with someone and having a circle jerk with them.

Hey, I'll be the first to admit I'm susceptible to group think.

Discussion stands out well here. No avatars, signatures, or anything else. Just arguments and buck's smilies.

Should define your own circle of jerks then.

Well that is simple...a circle jerk is anytime more than one person disagrees with Bodhi.

Circle Jerk = Anytime more than 1 person has something positive to say about the niners
Being a Realist = Seeing everything the niners do in a negative light

Quit circle jerking about circle jerks.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I have a question hopefully one of you guys CANNOT answer it: I feel Bush was brought in to play the role Shane Vereen did against the Seahawks in the Super Bowl (He had 11 catches and forced those Seattle LBs to cover). That being said, how would you / do you defend against a 21 personell grouping with Bush and Hyde together in a split back set, a healthy VD, Boldin, Torrey Smitj and a QB that can run really well.

I agree that personnel can pose some matchup problems for a defense. I'd consider it a passing personnel because neither Hyde or Bush are going to lead block. That said, I would counter wth a nickel defense and force the 49ers to run the ball. If the 49ers pass, then I'm sagging off the RBs, forcing the 49ers to show that Kap and Torrey are a capable of connecting deep, and that the 49ers are willing to incorporate RBs into the passing game.

I would not allow VD to beat me deep or Kap to rip off scrambles for chunk yardage. Zone defense with a spy on Kap. I give Hyde and Bush room in the passing game until they prove they can beat me. If Kap can move the ball in 5-7 yard increments down the field, tip your cap then adjust accordingly.

How would you keep both VD and Smith from beating you deep? How do you account for Boldin on the intermediate routes and Bush on wheel routes, crossing routes, check downs? What about Hyde running the ball all while spying Kaep?

I already stated in my post above that there are some things I'd give up. There is no perfect defense or else all teams would be playing it. Playing DC...

Things I would "give up":
- Torrey beating the defense deep up the sidelines, until Kap shows they can connect. Kap has shown he can deliver a nice deep ball over middle of the field, but not, yet, up the sidelines.
- Bush/Hyde in the passing game.
- Hyde running the ball with no lead blocker (Bush is not lead blocking).

Things I would place a priority on stopping:
- VD beating me deep. Never allow him a clean release off the LoS. I have no idea why some defenses allow this to happen. If he's inline, jam and hold him at the snap of the ball. The safety needs to keep an eye on him for help coverage.
- Kap's scrambling. Too easy for him to get chunk yardage with his legs. Must assign a middle zone defender/spy to deter him a bit.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I have a question hopefully one of you guys CANNOT answer it: I feel Bush was brought in to play the role Shane Vereen did against the Seahawks in the Super Bowl (He had 11 catches and forced those Seattle LBs to cover). That being said, how would you / do you defend against a 21 personell grouping with Bush and Hyde together in a split back set, a healthy VD, Boldin, Torrey Smitj and a QB that can run really well.

I agree that personnel can pose some matchup problems for a defense. I'd consider it a passing personnel because neither Hyde or Bush are going to lead block. That said, I would counter wth a nickel defense and force the 49ers to run the ball. If the 49ers pass, then I'm sagging off the RBs, forcing the 49ers to show that Kap and Torrey are a capable of connecting deep, and that the 49ers are willing to incorporate RBs into the passing game.

I would not allow VD to beat me deep or Kap to rip off scrambles for chunk yardage. Zone defense with a spy on Kap. I give Hyde and Bush room in the passing game until they prove they can beat me. If Kap can move the ball in 5-7 yard increments down the field, tip your cap then adjust accordingly.

How would you keep both VD and Smith from beating you deep? How do you account for Boldin on the intermediate routes and Bush on wheel routes, crossing routes, check downs? What about Hyde running the ball all while spying Kaep?

I already stated in my post above that there are some things I'd give up. There is no perfect defense or else all teams would be playing it. Playing DC...

Things I would "give up":
- Torrey beating the defense deep up the sidelines, until Kap shows they can connect. Kap has shown he can deliver a nice deep ball over middle of the field, but not, yet, up the sidelines.
- Bush/Hyde in the passing game.
- Hyde running the ball with no lead blocker (Bush is not lead blocking).

Things I would place a priority on stopping:
- VD beating me deep. Never allow him a clean release off the LoS. I have no idea why some defenses allow this to happen. If he's inline, jam and hold him at the snap of the ball. The safety needs to keep an eye on him for help coverage.
- Kap's scrambling. Too easy for him to get chunk yardage with his legs. Must assign a middle zone defender/spy to deter him a bit.

I assume you would you jam VD with a safety?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
3 posts above , #696, sdaddy just laid out our O for this yr. Book it, that will be us. WR in draft?
Sdaddy just showed you why we don't take a WR til late. Then, as in Mad Dogs draft, we take 3 WRs bam-bam-bam from 130 something up to and including 180 something. We got the O parts we need...now we need a HC/OC who can use what we have, as opposed to last yr when we had better talent and schidt for OC/HCing. Nice post sdaddy.

Thanks! I just think with the personnel we have, barring injury and used properly, we will be hard to stop.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I assume you would you jam VD with a safety?

No. One of the two LBs on the field.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I have a question hopefully one of you guys CANNOT answer it: I feel Bush was brought in to play the role Shane Vereen did against the Seahawks in the Super Bowl (He had 11 catches and forced those Seattle LBs to cover). That being said, how would you / do you defend against a 21 personell grouping with Bush and Hyde together in a split back set, a healthy VD, Boldin, Torrey Smitj and a QB that can run really well.

I agree that personnel can pose some matchup problems for a defense. I'd consider it a passing personnel because neither Hyde or Bush are going to lead block. That said, I would counter wth a nickel defense and force the 49ers to run the ball. If the 49ers pass, then I'm sagging off the RBs, forcing the 49ers to show that Kap and Torrey are a capable of connecting deep, and that the 49ers are willing to incorporate RBs into the passing game.

I would not allow VD to beat me deep or Kap to rip off scrambles for chunk yardage. Zone defense with a spy on Kap. I give Hyde and Bush room in the passing game until they prove they can beat me. If Kap can move the ball in 5-7 yard increments down the field, tip your cap then adjust accordingly.

How would you keep both VD and Smith from beating you deep? How do you account for Boldin on the intermediate routes and Bush on wheel routes, crossing routes, check downs? What about Hyde running the ball all while spying Kaep?

The hybrid defense that Seattle runs is designed to do just what you're saying. They give man-man overtop coverage on the backside receiver or the "SE" or "X" - whatever you want to call him, while playing a cover 3 zone elsewhere. This means that your backside receiver - in theory, if the CB is doing his job, won't let himself get beat deep. Then, you're 2 1/3 zone defenders cover Davis deep on any seam, streak, corner or post routes. If he attempts to threaten the deep 1/3 on the single receiver side, he has to cross the formation infront of the FS, where the FS will be able to cover that deep 1/3. This then leaves 4 defenders underneath for the crossing, short ins, mid-ins, spot, stick, curls - all of this from a base personnel grouping that will be able to defend the run as well.

To throw deep to any receivers against that hybrid defense, you have to have established a strong run game and be able to play off of that. But, to establish a strong run game your best options are to either have quick, zone blocking lineman with a 3 receiver set to spread out the defense, or go with 2 TE or a FB in other sets to give you an advantage in the run game if you have bigger power run lineman. So, I'm not convinced that the combo of Hyde and Bush in the backfield is a good compliment to our lineman - Boone or Davis - both have slower feet.

Some of your best options on those types of plays are horizontal stretching plays. One play I like against Sea's D is a TE stick. But, the QB HAS to look off the outside defender and get the ball out on time. It was a Stick concept that CK threw that pick at the goal line against Sea in his first game against them. He was trying to hit VD but stared him down and got the ball out just a fraction late. But, that play is open against them.

I like the idea of trying to use Hyde as FB type lead runner for outside runs against Sea and then being able to play a "texas" concept off of it.

That, or I'd like to see us split Bush out wide from that personnel grouping and use a verticals attack on them, like a 3 or 4 verts - it's risky and kind of an all or nothing play, but, would give us a good deep horizontal stretch against their 3 deep defense. Bush has the speed to threaten downfield, so it gives you 3 viable deep threats on a verts concept.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I assume you would you jam VD with a safety?

No. One of the two LBs on the field.

I'd do it with a LB or use the DE to jam before getting into his pass rush.