Originally posted by jonnydel:idk about that, i think BW offense was more dictating then just taking what the defense gave them..we are pretty simialr of what we are saying just wording
I would contend though that the chessmatch was beyond that. It was about knowing, through careful study of the opposition, that, based off a certain personnel grouping and down and distance that you could predict what your opponent was going to do on defense and then use the correct concept accordingly to defeat your opponent. It was more than just using the whole field. Walsh believed that you could craft a gameplan and set your opponent up to be in a predictable defense so and that you could then win the battle before it began.
It's why he scripted the first 15 plays - to gather intelligence and to set up future plays, it's why he motioned backs out of the backfield into passing concepts - so that he could, through a personnel package, create a predictable defense and then defeat said defense. It's why film study was so important - not to study what you can do better, but to study how a defense plays on each particular down against each particular formation.
It's not that he was specifically choosing to attack one area of the field on one play and then another on the other play, it was about identifying what the defense would be doing and forcing them to be in a position to choose to defend one or the other and so, the ball went to different areas of the field depending on how the defense played.
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Apr 29, 2015 at 12:55 PM
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Apr 29, 2015 at 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
in that case theres no need to continually rehash the idea that we need to run Bill Walsh plays if he has his hands all over essentially EVERYTHING
and u know exactly what I meant Jonny... fans screaming "thats a stupid play, why not run a Bill Walsh play"...and its like...geez I get it, he coached here, we won here...
Well, I guess I sorta get what you're saying - but not totally.
Where I have an issue is that people will scream, "that's a stupid play", "terrible play design" "Stupid personnel package" - those sorts of things when they were Bill Walsh plays.
I argue that we can be certain that the WCO and the passing concepts created by Bill Walsh have stood the test of time and are run by so many of the teams today that the issue is not in the design of the concepts.
Apr 29, 2015 at 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
idk about that, i think BW offense was more dictating then just taking what the defense gave them..we are pretty simialr of what we are saying just wording
Yeah, I guess to me, I see as putting yourself in a place where you know the defense is going to be in a certain defensive call based off of down&distance and personnel grouping that it is dictating it to the defense.
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Originally posted by eamjr10:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
First news is good news
Definitely good news
Especially considering that the beat writers always describe him as a gamer who isn't very sharp in practice.
Apr 29, 2015 at 2:02 PM
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Originally posted by eamjr10:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
First news is good news
Definitely good news
What's Torrey supposed to say!? smfh
Apr 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM
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Originally posted by verb1der:Whats Verb suppose to say ?
Originally posted by eamjr10:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
First news is good news
Definitely good news
What's Torrey supposed to say!? smfh
Apr 29, 2015 at 2:04 PM
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Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by eamjr10:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
First news is good news
Definitely good news
What's Torrey supposed to say!? smfh
go visit your nephew
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That throwing motion looks tight and quick!
edit: link works now
edit: link works now
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Originally posted by verb1der:What's Torrey supposed to say!? smfh
Right, the cool thing is that he gave a very specific example with it
Apr 29, 2015 at 3:08 PM
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Originally posted by judodono:
Originally posted by verb1der:
What's Torrey supposed to say!? smfh
Right, the cool thing is that he gave a very specific example with it
This, and also: disregard verb's nonsense. You'll just get a headache.
Apr 29, 2015 at 3:13 PM
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by verb1der:
Originally posted by eamjr10:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
First news is good news
Definitely good news
What's Torrey supposed to say!? smfh
go visit your nephew
There's good news for almost all the QBs around the league at this time. I'm not gonna get excited over the hype, nope...can't do it.
Apr 29, 2015 at 3:14 PM
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Originally posted by judodono:
Originally posted by verb1der:
What's Torrey supposed to say!? smfh
Right, the cool thing is that he gave a very specific example with it
Like QBs don't get lucky sometimes in practice, cmon now!
Apr 29, 2015 at 3:21 PM
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Originally posted by verb1der:Dude, slit your wrist already.....
Originally posted by judodono:
Originally posted by verb1der:
What's Torrey supposed to say!? smfh
Right, the cool thing is that he gave a very specific example with it
Like QBs don't get lucky sometimes in practice, cmon now!