Colin Kaepernick Thread

it just goes with the general narrative of judging Kaep much differently than all the other QBs in the game.
Russell Wilson doesnt make difficult throws. In fact, I don't think he even ever has to because the running game keeps the down and distance in check, but you'll never hear anyone say something like that about RW.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Kap improved. Going to have to wait to see if its an aberation like last years win against the cowboys. He showed the same growth in game 1 last year then completely faded after that. Hopefully its not the same thing this year.

Here is the thing that I cannot stress enough, even though he had big games in the past, notably the cowboys last year. Those games were just him balling out doing what comes naturally, they were dominated through athleticism, a strong arm and brass balls. They were not indicative of growth. He didn't, in those games show any extra poise in a collapsing pocket, he didn't even climb the pocket all that often, He didn't show a matured level of read progression, or throw arcing touch passes over defenders. That is why even though there were a few off targets and the stats were not as pretty as some games from previous years like the Cowboys or the times we have played the Pack, we are all a bit more excited for him in this win than we were for those. We are and should be more excited for this performance than if he had come out and crushed them doing the same things that he always has...because although Kap's standard mode of play is a dangerous weapon, it makes him an incomplete QB. If we can get the guy we had last night with the old Kap type play still there in his back pocket for the days we really need it.....That is a guy to be really excited about. Imagine if you will a guy who can put up and I hate to say this...An Alex Smith like game week to week paired with a great D and a strong running game. Just hit your reads, find your spots and take what they give you. But the difference is with Kap on those days when the D isn't giving you anything and the odds don't seem to be in our favor, he can still turn on that pure athlete and run for 100 yards and throw that sick deep bomb that only an million dollar arm can.

That's the guy that we saw a hint of on Monday night....that is the guy who people are excited for...

Good post. The checkdown throws to running backs were an awesome sight to see, and he did it several times. Kaep made a comment last year when people were calling him a 1 read QB that they don't know what his reads and progressions are. It's naive to think he was able to constantly make more than 1 or 2 reads on nearly every passing play in just 1 offseason. The dude has probably had it for several years, but was limited by the previous coaching staff.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by 49ersOnMINE:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/cosell-49ers-able-hide-kaepernick-against-vikings?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Cosell knows his stuff but its funny when he says things like this "He wasn't forced to have to make a lot of difficult throws. He wasn't put in a lot of long-yardage situations ... there will be games in which those things happen." Isn't that the point tho? Out of all people he should know whats Kap's issues are and I dont think its about hiding Kap's qb problem but to make it easier for him to run the offense. He made easy throws and went through his reads, thats progress imo and when its time to take over due to teams loading the box it'll be easier for him. Seems like Cosell and some Fans want Kap to come out firing, He will get there.. yes he's a Vet but he went through a lot of BS with the old offense, i say as the weeks go we'll see a lot of progress and by the year end he'll be throwing more and will be better at it.

It is a little ridiculous to call that an attempt to hide your QB for sure...every offense is trying to stay out of long down and distance. To call it an attempt to hide your QB comes of smarmy and having an agenda.

yup. the patriots hide brady against the colts every time they play in the playoffs by rushing the ball 50 times a game and rushing for 300 yards.

Originally posted by MannySoopa49ersnMD:
it just goes with the general narrative of judging Kaep much differently than all the other QBs in the game.
Russell Wilson doesnt make difficult throws. In fact, I don't think he even ever has to because the running game keeps the down and distance in check, but you'll never hear anyone say something like that about RW.

russell wilson does not look past his 1st read. if that 1st read isn't there he is automatically in scramble mode. he does no hitch step he does no climbing the pocket. as soon as that 1st read is done he cradles the ball looks around to see if there is pressure and then rolls out to try and create a play.

there is a clear double standard here. why does the quarterback need to make impossible throws? lol the object of the game is the make all of the easy throws you can and win the game. nobody WANTS to make impossible throws.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
russell wilson does not look past his 1st read. if that 1st read isn't there he is automatically in scramble mode. he does no hitch step he does no climbing the pocket. as soon as that 1st read is done he cradles the ball looks around to see if there is pressure and then rolls out to try and create a play.

there is a clear double standard here. why does the quarterback need to make impossible throws? lol the object of the game is the make all of the easy throws you can and win the game. nobody WANTS to make impossible throws.

Wilson is pretty phenomenal at buying time until someone is open though! I think the key to playing Seattle (one of the keys) is for the DBs to be patient and stick with their guys until the whistle...trust the front seven.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
russell wilson does not look past his 1st read. if that 1st read isn't there he is automatically in scramble mode. he does no hitch step he does no climbing the pocket. as soon as that 1st read is done he cradles the ball looks around to see if there is pressure and then rolls out to try and create a play.

there is a clear double standard here. why does the quarterback need to make impossible throws? lol the object of the game is the make all of the easy throws you can and win the game. nobody WANTS to make impossible throws.

Wilson is pretty phenomenal at buying time until someone is open though! I think the key to playing Seattle (one of the keys) is for the DBs to be patient and stick with their guys until the whistle...trust the front seven.

buying time isn't the same as being traditional in the pocket the way everyone DEMANDS kap is.
i didn't say he couldn't buy time he's great at scrambling around within the pocket. excellent at it.
but with him mechanics don't matter apparently. if he doesn't take the hitch step with the arm properly high and tight with his eyes down field nobody cares.

with kap though?

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
buying time isn't the same as being traditional in the pocket the way everyone DEMANDS kap is.
i didn't say he couldn't buy time he's great at scrambling around within the pocket. excellent at it.
but with him mechanics don't matter apparently. if he doesn't take the hitch step with the arm properly high and tight with his eyes down field nobody cares.

with kap though?

Not arguing with you, just wanted to add an element to the discussion. I'm not in the pocket camp...and have quoted Logan who stated very early in his tenure that moving QBs are his cup of tea. My reference was more about our DBs than Kaepernick...as a matter of fact, it had nothing to do with Kaepernick.

A comparison of the two--Kaepernick can pass with his arm and get velocity on the ball...falling back, on his back foot or moving sideways. Wilson scrambles until he can set his feet and then he's pretty accurate down field.

ahhhhhh screw Wilson.. i don't care if he's better overall than Kaep right now, we are the 49ers!!! and we need Kaep big time against the Steelers this week!!

if Kaep can't throw a darn simple slant, then don't ask him to do especially away from home..

Why do some people keep repeating this absurd line that Kaepernick can't throw a slant? Ridiculous. Every QB in the NFL can throw a slant.

Remember the Bill Walsh quarterbacking video with Joe Montana? A lot of what Kap did reminded me of that. Can't wait until the deep throws start connecting.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

buying time isn't the same as being traditional in the pocket the way everyone DEMANDS kap is.
i didn't say he couldn't buy time he's great at scrambling around within the pocket. excellent at it.
but with him mechanics don't matter apparently. if he doesn't take the hitch step with the arm properly high and tight with his eyes down field nobody cares.

with kap though?

It's not just Wilson. Even Cam isn't criticized the same way. Somehow those guys are making plays every time they move.

52 sacks last year and the narrative Kap needs to get better in pocket. 6 sacks on Sunday and the narrative is Wilson had no chance. Nothing will ever be his fault. Even his crappy final pass in SB was put all on the coaches.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
buying time isn't the same as being traditional in the pocket the way everyone DEMANDS kap is.
i didn't say he couldn't buy time he's great at scrambling around within the pocket. excellent at it.
but with him mechanics don't matter apparently. if he doesn't take the hitch step with the arm properly high and tight with his eyes down field nobody cares.

with kap though?

Not arguing with you, just wanted to add an element to the discussion. I'm not in the pocket camp...and have quoted Logan who stated very early in his tenure that moving QBs are his cup of tea. My reference was more about our DBs than Kaepernick...as a matter of fact, it had nothing to do with Kaepernick.

A comparison of the two--Kaepernick can pass with his arm and get velocity on the ball...falling back, on his back foot or moving sideways. Wilson scrambles until he can set his feet and then he's pretty accurate down field.

my point wasn't about wilson though or kap it was about the media narrative and the fan narrative that's all. not ability just the demands being made of each.

every other qb wants to have the easiest game possible be dominant and win.

its good for everyone else.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
my point wasn't about wilson though or kap it was about the media narrative and the fan narrative that's all. not ability just the demands being made of each.

every other qb wants to have the easiest game possible be dominant and win.

its good for everyone else.

So my tangent was a...tangent? LOL! OK, just had a thought and passed it on...maybe should not have quoted you.

Originally posted by crake49:
Why do some people keep repeating this absurd line that Kaepernick can't throw a slant? Ridiculous. Every QB in the NFL can throw a slant.

Because it's chic to criticize Kaepernick and some folks don't know the specifics of his skills? LOL! That's OK...easier to separate those just piling on versus people who have a valid point!

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/179138/hey-look-colin-kaepernick-cut-back-on-the-sacks
Kaepernick spent an average of 2.31 seconds in the pocket on his 31 dropbacks, which when compared to his average of 2.46 seconds before the pass demonstrates that he wasn't merely dropping and throwing. Kaepernick moved within and sometimes outside the pocket when necessary, but Bowen -- and ESPN game analyst Trent Dilfer, if you were watching the broadcast -- thought he did it more efficiently.

"You saw him stepping up and not retreating or trying to escape immediately," Bowen said. "You don't have to do that, not if you step up or make a quick slide in the pocket. It's a small sample size, but you could see there has been a progression. You'd be crazy not to believe that."