Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:
We looked horrible against SD. Couldn't stop anything. Also 2012 when we got pasted 49 - 3 to the Seahawks. So ya, we have looked this bad before.

That game was also after a huge win in New England where we had to travel across country on a short week.

These guys are human beings, not machines.

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
I'm not into moral victories. Even Kap saidhimself there are no moral victories. If a 43-18 Beat down is Kap playing Great to you then thats on you.

Kaepernick was right. There are no moral victories in a loss. At the end of the day, the season actually, a loss is a loss.

Stilll, an individual player can play very well in a loss. No harm in acknowledging the fact that Kaepernick has played well so far this season.

After all, the thread is about Kaepernick, how he plays, how he speaks, and how he dresses.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Last game, Geep had kap throwing from different launch pads. This game, they go to a box 8 or more, and we call a 7 step drop? C'mon Geep, you know better than that and what happened to the different launch pads?

The OL? ok, 3 rooks from C to RT and no way of counting the whiffs, missed blocs, and so on, but let's just say it was a bunch and horribly inadequate. What happened to playing to our strength, Geep? If the R side can't bloc Pitts or whoever, then run L....we did and that didn't work either . But not moving kap around more and putting any 5 or 7 step drops into the "do not use " lockbox, what happened there? Against a box 8, no qB and kap in particular does well on a deep drop. Deep drops and elite DLs should never occur in the same sentence.

Inattentiveness, esp the boldin drop, the whack on vernon at the ball when he was concentrating on staying in bounds, torrey dropped one, and on it went. From start to finish we just looked bad, from bad game plan to poor play calls, to horrid OL play, to busted DB coverage....man, it was a litany of what not to do.

As for kap, he looked uncertain to me in the first half, tentative maybe. Mid third qtr the score was a wipeout and Pitts backed off....and then kap came alive. He completed a lot of throws across the middle, deep balls, flares....the whole magillicuty. So hopefully he remembers that and is convinced that he CAN do this...complete passes. In the first half , yes he made completions, but he always waited for the receiver to come open, not daring to throw on a break. The comebacker (button hook) in first qtr was beautiful. But he was very reluctant to throw on the break, before a guy came open. He lost a lot of that in 2nd half and it was obvious he had confidence in what he could do. First half, that confidence was lacking. With OL play that bad it is impossible to rate your QB. But the answer lies in calling plays that protect him from an OL that can't pass block. Geep already showed us how he could do that against the Vikes. Why he didn't have multiple launch sites for kap in this game, who knows.

Kaepernick mentioned they may have waited too long to go to their short passing game, but from what I saw Pitts had their D heavy to our left side. Most plays they had at least two defenders outside Staley close to the LOS. Pretty hard to run left when they over man you. I thought the first pass should have been a short swing pass or slant...quick hit to get CK into a rhythm.

As far as waiting for the receiver to come open, the contrast to Roethlisberger made this painfully apparent. Kaepernick and his receivers don't have the chemistry they need...yet. Smith needs more trust on those long shots they started to complete. Obviously, Ben has confidence in Brown, although many of those throws were over the D...less risk. I haven't rewatched the game but it didn't seem like the Pitts DBs were that bad. If Kaepernick had just chucked the ball up...would have been interesting...maybe they should have.

Edit: I had hoped Chryst would take a page from the BW game planning book and use a totally different offense--four wide, single back in motion, Kaepernick rolling--just to use Pitts early agressive energy against them. As it was, they seemed content to drop back and allow the DL a good target for the rush. Live and learn Geep!

Originally posted by ElephantHaley:
I'm not into moral victories. Even Kap saidhimself there are no moral victories. If a 43-18 Beat down is Kap playing Great to you then thats on you.

It's not a moral victory, it's a statement on how a certain player played regardless of outcome.

He played very well. He played decent Week 1. There is a difference. Unless you somehow think a guy cannot play very well in a game the team loses?

Or of course you could just be someone who can't give credit when it's due?

Just for fun...Sorted by Overall performance--

The 49ers defense does suck when kap can win? But he can't wins games. .. Do you think, Kap was bluff for power offense score? He is show kinda bluff with power score?

Originally posted by buck:
Some teams protect their quarterbacks better than others.

Here are the quarterbacks that are playing behind the top Pass Blocking Efficiency lines----and their quaterback ratings.

Just for fun I included Kaepernick who happens to play behing the worst, according to PFF, rated pass blocking efffienciency line.



Just for fun!!!!!

lol
what would his numbers be if he played behind a top one wow!

dtg, i really like your idea of the BW scheme....i was half wondering if JT and GEEP did that, but nope it didn't happen. Sure would have been interesting if it had tho. At the very least if Hyde, eg, has a big day, then next week don't forget him but put emphasis eleswhere or balance it between the two. That is something the last regime never woiuld have done, but these guys, yes, i think they will. It is game 3 and time to drag some of these ideas out of the root cellar.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

As for kap, he looked uncertain to me in the first half, tentative maybe.

He wasn't uncertain or tentative. He ran the plays that were called. he was 11/14 in the 1st half. It wasn't for major yards because he took what the defense gave him along with the play calling (1 wr sets) he was decisive and accurate from the beginning to the end. We can't discount that. How did we manage those 17 play drives if he was tentative? We know the running game was basically non existent.
He threw accurate passes and scrambled when he needed to in order to extend the drives. We just waited way too long to come out of the big formations of last week and open up the ferrari for this week. If it were me, as soon as we had that 17 play drive and got 3 points out of it we're opening it up and carving up that secondary because theirs is just as bad as ours played yesterday.

Mostly all of this is moot though. you're not going to win if your defense gives up 43 points.

Originally posted by Orange01Purple:
The 49ers defense does suck when kap can win? But he can't wins games. .. Do you think, Kap was bluff for power offense score? He is show kinda bluff with power score?

No he just needs to get into a proper rhythm. If they make the adjustment early in the 1st quarter he carves up that defense for probably 400 yards. Their secondary is their weak spot and it was something that was bad week 1 wasn't good in our game either even when the game was still halfway close. their front 7 played great but its easy to guard 1 wr and 3 tight ends.. .

put torrey white patton and vernon out there. let them run free quickly.

Kap is already showing improvements in his game from previous years. What more can I ask for? He's taking steps in the right direction that is making me feel better. Probably never happen but I wish he was better at his in pocket footwork to improve his shifting.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Yes, Kaepernick said they knew they would have to use short passing but may have waited too long to get it going. Face it...Pittsburgh played better and won. Had little to do with the QB and everything to do with the lines. No penetration on defense, nothing but penetration on offense. Can't win games when that happens.

Solutions?

• Try to shake up the DL by using Purcell at NT or DE
• More Tartt at ILB/Safety hybrid
• Use 4 man line more often with Bowman as the only ILB, use Harold more on the outside for quickness
• Show the young DBs this tape and then work on keeping WRs in front of them

Offense?

• Get the OL some game experience--build chemistry
• Spread the offense to maximize Kaepernick's talent--start the game with no back, 4 WR set--roll Kaep
• Then go to multiple TEs to help the right side of the OL
• Use Hyde and Hayne more as receivers (if Bush is healthy use him as well) (they need to stop over using Hyde)
• Put VD at WR, Smith on the opposite side and Boldin in the slot--take some shots deep right away to loosen up the D

Young teams are frustrating, but there's a lot of talent here...just have to boost the learning curve...fast!

If this doesn't work...wait until next year and draft OL and OLB.

Coach Tom said that the Steelers basically played max protect and threw bombs and we got burned. Not much a pass rush can do against max protect, we just have to cover better.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Last game, Geep had kap throwing from different launch pads. This game, they go to a box 8 or more, and we call a 7 step drop? C'mon Geep, you know better than that and what happened to the different launch pads?

The OL? ok, 3 rooks from C to RT and no way of counting the whiffs, missed blocs, and so on, but let's just say it was a bunch and horribly inadequate. What happened to playing to our strength, Geep? If the R side can't bloc Pitts or whoever, then run L....we did and that didn't work either . But not moving kap around more and putting any 5 or 7 step drops into the "do not use " lockbox, what happened there? Against a box 8, no qB and kap in particular does well on a deep drop. Deep drops and elite DLs should never occur in the same sentence.

Inattentiveness, esp the boldin drop, the whack on vernon at the ball when he was concentrating on staying in bounds, torrey dropped one, and on it went. From start to finish we just looked bad, from bad game plan to poor play calls, to horrid OL play, to busted DB coverage....man, it was a litany of what not to do.

As for kap, he looked uncertain to me in the first half, tentative maybe. Mid third qtr the score was a wipeout and Pitts backed off....and then kap came alive. He completed a lot of throws across the middle, deep balls, flares....the whole magillicuty. So hopefully he remembers that and is convinced that he CAN do this...complete passes. In the first half , yes he made completions, but he always waited for the receiver to come open, not daring to throw on a break. The comebacker (button hook) in first qtr was beautiful. But he was very reluctant to throw on the break, before a guy came open. He lost a lot of that in 2nd half and it was obvious he had confidence in what he could do. First half, that confidence was lacking. With OL play that bad it is impossible to rate your QB. But the answer lies in calling plays that protect him from an OL that can't pass block. Geep already showed us how he could do that against the Vikes. Why he didn't have multiple launch sites for kap in this game, who knows.

Pitt didn't back off. They blitzed more in the 2nd half

I find it to be pretty hypocritical to praise someone like Brady for completing short passes, or any other QB for that matter, and then saying Kaepernick sucks because his YPA was really low in the first half. Isn't it the WR,TE and RBs job to get some YAC after Kap completes the pass?

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Coach Tom said that the Steelers basically played max protect and threw bombs and we got burned. Not much a pass rush can do against max protect, we just have to cover better.

That's why I mentioned using Tartt more. Seeing Bowman and Wilhoite covering WRs just drove me crazy! Not that the CBs did much better. I think Roethlisberger was crazy accurate and the 9er DBs misjudged the potential deep balls. They did the same last week but Bridgewater is not the QB Big Ben is.

Wilhoite, 30 yards down the field, covering a WR? Not a good game plan by Mangini. Or were the DBs just making youthful mistakes? Need to hear from some posters who know defensive backfields better than I do...but it was bad!