Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Just finished watching the game film - CK did a pretty good job - I think we all figured that from his numbers. His throwing motion is a lot quicker, really helps on the shorter passes. A couple things he really needs to improve upon: getting the ball out quicker when we're running crossing routes - several times, our receivers could've turned it upfield had they caught the ball sooner. Instead, they were 5 yard gains and put our receivers in a place where they nearly got blowed up.

2nd - he's gotta improve his red zone fade throw. He still looks like 2012 SB CK.

I think we need to eliminate those throws altogether. I think we need to go to the jump ball and I believe that they are focusing on the wrong type of fade. CK is actually pretty damn awesome at back shoulder fade throws.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
don't agree with the use of the n word but i get your point.

there would be articles about trade partners for him and all of that s**t already.

I wonder if the colts message board is questioning whether or not Luck can read a defense or not?

You must be white then. Seems that word offends white people more than it does black people. But I'll tone it down. Get carried away sometimes.

But you're right, I bet half the Colts' board isn't asking for them to give the backup QB a try or talking about drafting a QB in the next draft. And Luck hasn't taken his team to the dance yet and routinely gets blasted out of the playoffs early. But he can put up multiple 400 yd games and multiple touchdowns per game (with multiple INTS) and that makes it all better.

Yeah, that damn Fantasy Football.

I'm actually not white lol. This just isn't the type of forum where colloquial s like that are usually used. Don't want to open that door here where people try to use coded language to speak negatively about our black qb. (intelligence/thug/tattoos) etc. don't want to open that door here is all.

If kap threw it 45 times a game his stats would be similar.
Luck doesn't protect the ball at all. Hasn't protected it at any point in his career. This isn't anything new for him.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
I think we need to eliminate those throws altogether. I think we need to go to the jump ball and I believe that they are focusing on the wrong type of fade. CK is actually pretty damn awesome at back shoulder fade throws.

he is also a pretty good lead blocker for hyde going into the end zone,,,, bout peed my pants on that one!

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
I think we need to eliminate those throws altogether. I think we need to go to the jump ball and I believe that they are focusing on the wrong type of fade. CK is actually pretty damn awesome at back shoulder fade throws.

he is also a pretty good lead blocker for hyde going into the end zone,,,, bout peed my pants on that one!

he wasn't trying to block lol that was the standard QB running in the general area looking around to make sure nobody actually tries to hit me and usually defenders don't try and blast the qb on those plays for some odd reason lol.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

I think we need to eliminate those throws altogether. I think we need to go to the jump ball and I believe that they are focusing on the wrong type of fade. CK is actually pretty damn awesome at back shoulder fade throws.

he is also a pretty good lead blocker for hyde going into the end zone,,,, bout peed my pants on that one!

You need some game day depends...lol

Originally posted by InsertNameHere:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
I think we need to eliminate those throws altogether. I think we need to go to the jump ball and I believe that they are focusing on the wrong type of fade. CK is actually pretty damn awesome at back shoulder fade throws.

he is also a pretty good lead blocker for hyde going into the end zone,,,, bout peed my pants on that one!

You need some game day depends...lol

personal attack . by the way i only woke up two times to pee last night

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
When i say unleash it has absolutely nothing to do with running the ball. I mean get into obvious passing formations and letting him run an uptempo offense. Every single point in his career he runs the uptempo spread offense out of the gun excellently. How much longer do we need to realize he's really good at it? It's all Tom brady runs throughout the game. Peyton struggled under center after shotgunning it so long. No run designs I'm saying put the speed out there with hyde or bush and then let him pick a defense apart.

It makes the most sense too because the line absolutely protects better when we spread em out as well.

Got it! Don't disagree with this at all. Said this same thing before the Pitt game...spread out and attack mid and then long. Then bring in some 3 TE sets. Mix it up. I really wanted a change of pace from the Minn game so teams would not key on anything they see on tape. Perhaps the O isnt' that far along yet but they should be able to run two types of play calls by now--heavy and spread, 3 TEs to 4 WRs.

I have to say though--our offense looked like it would have been in the game if not for drops, fumbles and OL collapse. They were able to move the ball just as they were against Minn, but couldn't get into the endzone...just like the first half against Minn. The difference in the games was that Pitt looked like they were going to score every possession. Hard to win with that defensive collapse.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Just finished watching the game film - CK did a pretty good job - I think we all figured that from his numbers. His throwing motion is a lot quicker, really helps on the shorter passes. A couple things he really needs to improve upon: getting the ball out quicker when we're running crossing routes - several times, our receivers could've turned it upfield had they caught the ball sooner. Instead, they were 5 yard gains and put our receivers in a place where they nearly got blowed up.

2nd - he's gotta improve his red zone fade throw. He still looks like 2012 SB CK.

I think we need to eliminate those throws altogether. I think we need to go to the jump ball and I believe that they are focusing on the wrong type of fade. CK is actually pretty damn awesome at back shoulder fade throws.

I gotta disagree with eliminating crossing routes. I just don't think you can operate an effecient pro passing attack without using the crossers as a horizontal attacking mechanism. Shallow cross,mesh etc,..are great concept to using in the red zone. The key as Johnny alluded to is not having any hesitation. Kap gonna have to continue to improve upon this because IMO is absolutely vital to have of you want to complete passes at over 65%.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Just finished watching the game film - CK did a pretty good job - I think we all figured that from his numbers. His throwing motion is a lot quicker, really helps on the shorter passes. A couple things he really needs to improve upon: getting the ball out quicker when we're running crossing routes - several times, our receivers could've turned it upfield had they caught the ball sooner. Instead, they were 5 yard gains and put our receivers in a place where they nearly got blowed up.

2nd - he's gotta improve his red zone fade throw. He still looks like 2012 SB CK.

Agree with all of this! The hesitation throwing those crossing routes will disappear as he continues to have success. As for the red zone passes...it seems to be a matter of not wanting to throw an interception. A couple of them were out of bounds. This too will improve as he gains trust in the WRs in that area. He almost connected with Bell on a nice pass but it was just a bit too high. Bell is 6'6" and will be a good RZ target once they zero in on this type of pass.

I too believe it has more to do with not wanting to throw an INT because he had no issues letting it rip to Smith on the 2-point conversion. Perfectly placed where Smith can make a play.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:
When i say unleash it has absolutely nothing to do with running the ball. I mean get into obvious passing formations and letting him run an uptempo offense. Every single point in his career he runs the uptempo spread offense out of the gun excellently. How much longer do we need to realize he's really good at it? It's all Tom brady runs throughout the game. Peyton struggled under center after shotgunning it so long. No run designs I'm saying put the speed out there with hyde or bush and then let him pick a defense apart.

It makes the most sense too because the line absolutely protects better when we spread em out as well.

Got it! Don't disagree with this at all. Said this same thing before the Pitt game...spread out and attack mid and then long. Then bring in some 3 TE sets. Mix it up. I really wanted a change of pace from the Minn game so teams would not key on anything they see on tape. Perhaps the O isnt' that far along yet but they should be able to run two types of play calls by now--heavy and spread, 3 TEs to 4 WRs.

I have to say though--our offense looked like it would have been in the game if not for drops, fumbles and OL collapse. They were able to move the ball just as they were against Minn, but couldn't get into the endzone...just like the first half against Minn. The difference in the games was that Pitt looked like they were going to score every possession. Hard to win with that defensive collapse.

Exactly. We move the ball. Just need more polish. Finish those drives. It will come. You can already see it. Coaches can't be afraid to unleash a 40ppg offense out there.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Just finished watching the game film - CK did a pretty good job - I think we all figured that from his numbers. His throwing motion is a lot quicker, really helps on the shorter passes. A couple things he really needs to improve upon: getting the ball out quicker when we're running crossing routes - several times, our receivers could've turned it upfield had they caught the ball sooner. Instead, they were 5 yard gains and put our receivers in a place where they nearly got blowed up.

2nd - he's gotta improve his red zone fade throw. He still looks like 2012 SB CK.

I think we need to eliminate those throws altogether. I think we need to go to the jump ball and I believe that they are focusing on the wrong type of fade. CK is actually pretty damn awesome at back shoulder fade throws.

I gotta disagree with eliminating crossing routes. I just don't think you can operate an effecient pro passing attack without using the crossers as a horizontal attacking mechanism. Shallow cross,mesh etc,..are great concept to using in the red zone. The key as Johnny alluded to is not having any hesitation. Kap gonna have to continue to improve upon this because IMO is absolutely vital to have of you want to complete passes at over 65%.

Im sorry I didn't make it clear, I was strictly referring to the fade routes not the crossing or any other part of his post.
Just the lead fade routes. He doesn't do those well but he makes incredible back shoulder throws. Has for about 3 years now.

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Just finished watching the game film - CK did a pretty good job - I think we all figured that from his numbers. His throwing motion is a lot quicker, really helps on the shorter passes. A couple things he really needs to improve upon: getting the ball out quicker when we're running crossing routes - several times, our receivers could've turned it upfield had they caught the ball sooner. Instead, they were 5 yard gains and put our receivers in a place where they nearly got blowed up.

2nd - he's gotta improve his red zone fade throw. He still looks like 2012 SB CK.

100% agree, He really needs to put more touch on those throws

One step at a time fellas. You can't argue against the fact that he is leaps and bounds better than he was last year. Them anticipation throws and fade passes will come in due time.

Either myself or Thl will probably point out some things in the film thread about CK's progress from last year. He is a lot better than last year - however, he's still had over 2 years to improve that fade throw. I understand the need to be patient with some players, as they have a long way to go and have a high ceiling. Again, however, CK is in his 5th year in the league and is 27, for me, the time for patience is running out. I know he's not going to make all the throws every time and it's not like we have Dez Bryant or Calvin Johnson on the outside to play those jump balls. But, you at least gotta give your receivers a chance on those throws.

Among QB's who have thrown at least 50 times so far this year, Kaepernick is #10 in QB rating. When you watch him this year, he's obviously gotten better. He's careful - hasn't thrown an int yet this season - not sure why any Niner fan would complain about that.

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Im sorry I didn't make it clear, I was strictly referring to the fade routes not the crossing or any other part of his post.
Just the lead fade routes. He doesn't do those well but he makes incredible back shoulder throws. Has for about 3 years now.

Gotcha....then I have to agree with that

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Just finished watching the game film - CK did a pretty good job - I think we all figured that from his numbers. His throwing motion is a lot quicker, really helps on the shorter passes. A couple things he really needs to improve upon: getting the ball out quicker when we're running crossing routes - several times, our receivers could've turned it upfield had they caught the ball sooner. Instead, they were 5 yard gains and put our receivers in a place where they nearly got blowed up.

2nd - he's gotta improve his red zone fade throw. He still looks like 2012 SB CK.

100% agree, He really needs to put more touch on those throws

One step at a time fellas. You can't argue against the fact that he is leaps and bounds better than he was last year. Them anticipation throws and fade passes will come in due time.

Either myself or Thl will probably point out some things in the film thread about CK's progress from last year. He is a lot better than last year - however, he's still had over 2 years to improve that fade throw. I understand the need to be patient with some players, as they have a long way to go and have a high ceiling. Again, however, CK is in his 5th year in the league and is 27, for me, the time for patience is running out. I know he's not going to make all the throws every time and it's not like we have Dez Bryant or Calvin Johnson on the outside to play those jump balls. But, you at least gotta give your receivers a chance on those throws.

First, I would just like to say that I respect your work and the invaluable insight that you give to us fans on this site. With that said, I hesitate to get into a debate with you because I would be thoroughly out classed. However, those first 4 years were with a coach who held the title "QB Guru" who never made any real progress with CK. He was the same QB from the time he was drafted until the time Harbaugh left. Now, with one offseason without Harbaugh and with a real QB coach, he finally looks like a real NFL Franchise Quarterback. So when I say "one step at a time", what I mean is thay by the end of this season, I believe those passes that you speak of, will be there.