Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by insanemike27:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Just finished watching the game film - CK did a pretty good job - I think we all figured that from his numbers. His throwing motion is a lot quicker, really helps on the shorter passes. A couple things he really needs to improve upon: getting the ball out quicker when we're running crossing routes - several times, our receivers could've turned it upfield had they caught the ball sooner. Instead, they were 5 yard gains and put our receivers in a place where they nearly got blowed up.

2nd - he's gotta improve his red zone fade throw. He still looks like 2012 SB CK.

100% agree, He really needs to put more touch on those throws

One step at a time fellas. You can't argue against the fact that he is leaps and bounds better than he was last year. Them anticipation throws and fade passes will come in due time.

Either myself or Thl will probably point out some things in the film thread about CK's progress from last year. He is a lot better than last year - however, he's still had over 2 years to improve that fade throw. I understand the need to be patient with some players, as they have a long way to go and have a high ceiling. Again, however, CK is in his 5th year in the league and is 27, for me, the time for patience is running out. I know he's not going to make all the throws every time and it's not like we have Dez Bryant or Calvin Johnson on the outside to play those jump balls. But, you at least gotta give your receivers a chance on those throws.

This. After rewatching the games on all-22 film you can see that he has improved but there is still a lot of room for improvement.

Problem with Kap is he started at such a high level and has seemed to regress every since, even though it has not been a big regression. I remember the Chicago prime time game and he made some amazing throws and ran the offense very efficiently. He seemed like an automatic top 5 QB and it couldn't even be argued. I know teams have adjusted to his play, but the same can be said about other QBs around the league that have maintained their high level of play.

After the initial disappointment of this weeks loss, it's clear that Kap did perform well, even though we under performed as a team in whole. It's said though, that great franchise QBs can carry their teams to wins, I hope Kap can reach that level. He should already be sitting on a SB win and at least an additional SB appearance.

Originally posted by Ike49:
Problem with Kap is he started at such a high level and has seemed to regress every since, even though it has not been a big regression. I remember the Chicago prime time game and he made some amazing throws and ran the offense very efficiently. He seemed like an automatic top 5 QB and it couldn't even be argued. I know teams have adjusted to his play, but the same can be said about other QBs around the league that have maintained their high level of play.

After the initial disappointment of this weeks loss, it's clear that Kap did perform well, even though we under performed as a team in whole. It's said though, that great franchise QBs can carry their teams to wins, I hope Kap can reach that level. He should already be sitting on a SB win and at least an additional SB appearance.

The offense we ran in 2012. We didn't run in 2013 or 2014. So the same results shouldn't have been expected without the same system. That's 1st.
2. Sometimes they can carry their teams to wins.
Andrew Luck leads the league in turnovers for a QB, his team is 0-2 and the national narrative is that his coach is failing him, his offensive line is in shambles, the rest of the team needs to step up. His GM isn't putting the proper pieces around him to succeed.
Was Kap granted that same narrative across the media including 49er beat writers? Did anyone ever say that having turmoil in the front office might have effected play? Did anyone call out the scheme? Did anyone say he did not have a consistent starting offensive line all year long? Did anyone say that his weapons and teammates needed to step up and help him out?

See the difference?

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Ike49:

Problem with Kap is he started at such a high level and has seemed to regress every since, even though it has not been a big regression. I remember the Chicago prime time game and he made some amazing throws and ran the offense very efficiently. He seemed like an automatic top 5 QB and it couldn't even be argued. I know teams have adjusted to his play, but the same can be said about other QBs around the league that have maintained their high level of play.

After the initial disappointment of this weeks loss, it's clear that Kap did perform well, even though we under performed as a team in whole. It's said though, that great franchise QBs can carry their teams to wins, I hope Kap can reach that level. He should already be sitting on a SB win and at least an additional SB appearance.

The offense we ran in 2012. We didn't run in 2013 or 2014. So the same results shouldn't have been expected without the same system. That's 1st.
2. Sometimes they can carry their teams to wins.
Andrew Luck leads the league in turnovers for a QB, his team is 0-2 and the national narrative is that his coach is failing him, his offensive line is in shambles, the rest of the team needs to step up. His GM isn't putting the proper pieces around him to succeed.
Was Kap granted that same narrative across the media including 49er beat writers? Did anyone ever say that having turmoil in the front office might have effected play? Did anyone call out the scheme? Did anyone say he did not have a consistent starting offensive line all year long? Did anyone say that his weapons and teammates needed to step up and help him out?

See the difference?

That whole "different offense" thing, is hog wash to me. You can't tell me it's "the offense" that creates the plays like Big Ben, Eli manning and even the midget willow makes that brings Ws to each of their respected teams. At some point you have to just make plays and creat things with your talent and take games over to get the wins in the big moments of critical games. Kap has done it in the past, I hope he figures out a way to make them consistently in the future.

Originally posted by crake49:
Among QB's who have thrown at least 50 times so far this year, Kaepernick is #10 in QB rating. When you watch him this year, he's obviously gotten better. He's careful - hasn't thrown an int yet this season - not sure why any Niner fan would complain about that.

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/cosell-kaepernicks-numbers-vs-steelers-skewed?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Cosell states that Kaep's numbers were skewed because Pittsburgh was playing softer through the 2nd half. But wasn't Kaep pressured close to 50% during that period?

EDIT: I may be reading this out of context.

Originally posted by iLLEST209ER:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/cosell-kaepernicks-numbers-vs-steelers-skewed?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Cosell states that Kaep's numbers were skewed because Pittsburgh was playing softer through the 2nd half. But wasn't Kaep pressured close to 50% during that period?

Yeah, he was pressured on 47% of dropbacks in the 2nd half. Their DEs and OLBs destroyed our O-line.

Cosell is saying they played softer coverage in the 2nd half. Not sure about that, I haven't watched the game film yet. The answer might be in the Week 2 analysis thread.

Originally posted by Ike49:
That whole "different offense" thing, is hog wash to me. You can't tell me it's "the offense" that creates the plays like Big Ben, Eli manning and even the midget willow makes that brings Ws to each of their respected teams. At some point you have to just make plays and creat things with your talent and take games over to get the wins in the big moments of critical games. Kap has done it in the past, I hope he figures out a way to make them consistently in the future.

Look at Roethlisberger's stats once they changed offensive coordinators to Todd Haley. The past 2 years he has 9500 yards passing.

Originally posted by iLLEST209ER:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/cosell-kaepernicks-numbers-vs-steelers-skewed?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Cosell states that Kaep's numbers were skewed because Pittsburgh was playing softer through the 2nd half. But wasn't Kaep pressured close to 50% during that period?

EDIT: I may be reading this out of context.

Cosell is starting to get on my nerves. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think he has every said anything great about Kap. He always gives an excuse as to why it may not be as good as some think. Yes the numbers were not eye popping in the first half, but Kap didn't make any mistakes, looked composed out there and took what the defense gave him. Our offense actually moved the ball and it should have been 8 - 7 if we didn't screw up in the red zone as usual. Instead 8 - 3 then quickly 15 - 3, turnover by Hyde (I believe) and 21 - 3. Game over.

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by Ike49:
Problem with Kap is he started at such a high level and has seemed to regress every since, even though it has not been a big regression. I remember the Chicago prime time game and he made some amazing throws and ran the offense very efficiently. He seemed like an automatic top 5 QB and it couldn't even be argued. I know teams have adjusted to his play, but the same can be said about other QBs around the league that have maintained their high level of play.

After the initial disappointment of this weeks loss, it's clear that Kap did perform well, even though we under performed as a team in whole. It's said though, that great franchise QBs can carry their teams to wins, I hope Kap can reach that level. He should already be sitting on a SB win and at least an additional SB appearance.

The offense we ran in 2012. We didn't run in 2013 or 2014. So the same results shouldn't have been expected without the same system. That's 1st.
2. Sometimes they can carry their teams to wins.
Andrew Luck leads the league in turnovers for a QB, his team is 0-2 and the national narrative is that his coach is failing him, his offensive line is in shambles, the rest of the team needs to step up. His GM isn't putting the proper pieces around him to succeed.
Was Kap granted that same narrative across the media including 49er beat writers? Did anyone ever say that having turmoil in the front office might have effected play? Did anyone call out the scheme? Did anyone say he did not have a consistent starting offensive line all year long? Did anyone say that his weapons and teammates needed to step up and help him out?

See the difference?

That whole "different offense" thing, is hog wash to me. You can't tell me it's "the offense" that creates the plays like Big Ben, Eli manning and even the midget willow makes that brings Ws to each of their respected teams. At some point you have to just make plays and creat things with your talent and take games over to get the wins in the big moments of critical games. Kap has done it in the past, I hope he figures out a way to make them consistently in the future.

oh you can't?
lmao then why do they change offensive coordinators guy?

if it really doesn't matter what system it is. if it doesn't matter that haley has actually pretty much reinvented ben rothlesburger lol

Originally posted by LaMattsBlue:

Originally posted by iLLEST209ER:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/cosell-kaepernicks-numbers-vs-steelers-skewed?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Cosell states that Kaep's numbers were skewed because Pittsburgh was playing softer through the 2nd half. But wasn't Kaep pressured close to 50% during that period?

EDIT: I may be reading this out of context.

Cosell is starting to get on my nerves. Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think he has every said anything great about Kap. He always gives an excuse as to why it may not be as good as some think. Yes the numbers were not eye popping in the first half, but Kap didn't make any mistakes, looked composed out there and took what the defense gave him. Our offense actually moved the ball and it should have been 8 - 7 if we didn't screw up in the red zone as usual. Instead 8 - 3 then quickly 15 - 3, turnover by Hyde (I believe) and 21 - 3. Game over.

there's always a "but"

kap can complete every pass. throw 7 td's no int's not take a sack and there will be a "but"

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by Ike49:

That whole "different offense" thing, is hog wash to me. You can't tell me it's "the offense" that creates the plays like Big Ben, Eli manning and even the midget willow makes that brings Ws to each of their respected teams. At some point you have to just make plays and creat things with your talent and take games over to get the wins in the big moments of critical games. Kap has done it in the past, I hope he figures out a way to make them consistently in the future.

Look at Roethlisberger's stats once they changed offensive coordinators to Todd Haley. The past 2 years he has 9500 yards passing.

http://youtu.be/J1VqecH9biQ

Is this an example of "the offense"?

LOL @ people wanting to draft a QB in the 1st round next year.

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by Disp:

Originally posted by Ike49:
That whole "different offense" thing, is hog wash to me. You can't tell me it's "the offense" that creates the plays like Big Ben, Eli manning and even the midget willow makes that brings Ws to each of their respected teams. At some point you have to just make plays and creat things with your talent and take games over to get the wins in the big moments of critical games. Kap has done it in the past, I hope he figures out a way to make them consistently in the future.

Look at Roethlisberger's stats once they changed offensive coordinators to Todd Haley. The past 2 years he has 9500 yards passing.

http://youtu.be/J1VqecH9biQ

Is this an example of "the offense"?

Ike. big ben is having the best run of his entire career as a passer because of haley's system period.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
LOL @ people wanting to draft a QB in the 1st round next year.

we will get it right this year...and select the QB out of Cal like we were suppose to in 2005!! Goff baby....lol