Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by AKfanster:

How is this surprising to anybody? The dude just isn't that good.
Maybe less commercials & more film/play book study??
Even then he's still not a QB, he's an athlete sure, but clearly not a QB.

Interesting thing, I was listening to Pat Kirwin on NFL radio the other day and he was talking about Parcells yapping about how these youngsters in the NFL become so focused about their "brand" and marketing themselves to make $$$, that they forget about the game that got them there. In essence they lose focus and don't put the time and energy into learning the nuances of the game.

Outside the Mannings, I cannot agree more. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees became commercial Giants after they proved their worth. Whereas "chumps" like Kaep and RGIII spend their time in the gym so they can look good for beats by dre, subway, etc.

Kaep needs to start paying attention to film

any reason you left out Andrew Luck from your "chumps"?

No, I include him too. Dont get me wrong, I'm still on the Kaep wagon. Im just talking about a trend thats been going on in the NFL, as per Parcels and Kirwin. And I tend to agree. I think these "stars" get fame and fortune grinded into their heads before they become famous. You spend all this time doing photo shoots, autograph sessions, commercials, public appearances when you should be spending time in the film room. Based on Kaep's play, and given his hx of marketing himself, I have to include him on this list. But yea, guys like Luck RGIII RW also belong on it.

Kaepernick is already broken. His confidence was already shattered and it doesn't matter if he rebounds some games after this one because he's not the QB who we need to be a playoff contender. Same happened to Alex Smith with Nolan/Sing then Harbaugh only gave him the chance to fix his lack of confidence with the team but also he was taking to next level at least on baby steps while Kaepernick can be a workaholic and study all what he can but seems that he already reach his top and there nothing else he can do to improve but rather go down. It's simply a matter of his skill set and what he lacks cannot be teach even if he spend years trying to achieve it.

Originally posted by Ike49:

Originally posted by Bootlegger:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Bootlegger:

Originally posted by JoeMontana:

Originally posted by dj43:

A major portion of it goes all the way back to Harbaugh.

Harbaugh drafted him and called him great. However, The Great Quarterback Whisperer proved to be a fraud. He did almost noting to develop Kapernick as an NFL quarterback. To make matters worse, he allowed his ego to overrule his better judgement by sending Alex Smith to Kansas City where he has shown how to deal with a weak OL and still have success. Smith has proved to be not only the better person but the better quarterback while Kaepernick has continued to struggle when facing a quality team.

The previous two games, if you look closely, showed CK really not playing at a level that allows the team a legit chance to win. Blame it on a weak OL, and some of the blame belongs there, but his inability to read defenses and find the quick open receiver killed the team today, and to a large degree, last week.

In looking back at pre-season games, even though they were against second teamers, Gabbert showed how to deal with quick pressure in a way that Kaepernick has never shown. (I can't believe I just typed that but it is true.) Blaine Gabbert showed that he capable of playing in a way CK has never shown.

I love Kaepernick's back story but he just does not have the makeup to play against a tough defense and survive.

I totally agree.

One game in which the QBs exchanged turnovers. Does not even begin an reasonable comparison.

Ahh, i think i get it. If the other QB throws picks too, then its acceptable. Thanks for enlightening me.

Not even Alice ever threw back to back pick 6's

He couldnt throw 6's to his own receivers.

He was horrible today. Well the pressure caused the INTs, he should have never thrown them knowing he couldn't step into them.

The 3rd or 4th, that one hurt. Threw too far in front of Torey on the crossing route which would have picked up like 20 and then picked off.

Honestly I am not smart enough to know whether Kap can be a good QB or not. But there are times I find myself watching other games, even with scrub QBs, and I ask myself can Kap make that throw. And my mind usually says no. I don't think his mechanics will allow him to make all the throws that a QB has to make.

I don't think we should pull him right away but another game or two anywhere close to this and we should start Gab. Even if he doesn't put up multiple stinkers like this, we should think long and hard about taking a QB in the upper part of this upcoming draft.

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by AKfanster:

How is this surprising to anybody? The dude just isn't that good.
Maybe less commercials & more film/play book study??
Even then he's still not a QB, he's an athlete sure, but clearly not a QB.

Interesting thing, I was listening to Pat Kirwin on NFL radio the other day and he was talking about Parcells yapping about how these youngsters in the NFL become so focused about their "brand" and marketing themselves to make $$$, that they forget about the game that got them there. In essence they lose focus and don't put the time and energy into learning the nuances of the game.

Outside the Mannings, I cannot agree more. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees became commercial Giants after they proved their worth. Whereas "chumps" like Kaep and RGIII spend their time in the gym so they can look good for beats by dre, subway, etc.

Kaep needs to start paying attention to film

any reason you left out Andrew Luck from your "chumps"?

No, I include him too. Dont get me wrong, I'm still on the Kaep wagon. Im just talking about a trend thats been going on in the NFL, as per Parcels and Kirwin. And I tend to agree. I think these "stars" get fame and fortune grinded into their heads before they become famous. You spend all this time doing photo shoots, autograph sessions, commercials, public appearances when you should be spending time in the film room. Based on Kaep's play, and given his hx of marketing himself, I have to include him on this list. But yea, guys like Luck RGIII RW also belong on it.

Dude are you kidding?? Just today ALONE I saw Brady,Manning, Brees and Rogers in commercials. You know who I didn't see? Kaep and RG3.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by AKfanster:

How is this surprising to anybody? The dude just isn't that good.
Maybe less commercials & more film/play book study??
Even then he's still not a QB, he's an athlete sure, but clearly not a QB.

Interesting thing, I was listening to Pat Kirwin on NFL radio the other day and he was talking about Parcells yapping about how these youngsters in the NFL become so focused about their "brand" and marketing themselves to make $$$, that they forget about the game that got them there. In essence they lose focus and don't put the time and energy into learning the nuances of the game.

Outside the Mannings, I cannot agree more. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees became commercial Giants after they proved their worth. Whereas "chumps" like Kaep and RGIII spend their time in the gym so they can look good for beats by dre, subway, etc.

Kaep needs to start paying attention to film

any reason you left out Andrew Luck from your "chumps"?

No, I include him too. Dont get me wrong, I'm still on the Kaep wagon. Im just talking about a trend thats been going on in the NFL, as per Parcels and Kirwin. And I tend to agree. I think these "stars" get fame and fortune grinded into their heads before they become famous. You spend all this time doing photo shoots, autograph sessions, commercials, public appearances when you should be spending time in the film room. Based on Kaep's play, and given his hx of marketing himself, I have to include him on this list. But yea, guys like Luck RGIII RW also belong on it.

Dude are you kidding?? Just today ALONE I saw Brady,Manning, Brees and Rogers in commercials. You know who I didn't see? Kaep and RG3.

Please reread my original statement

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Do you not remember some dude named Frank Gore?

Yeah but Hyde can actually run against good defenses, something Frank hasn't been able to do much in the last two years. Cards have a very very good run defense and Hyde was still able to gash them and bust through tackles. Go look at Frank's numbers @ Ari and Seattle last year.

Exactly. Gore has been on steady decline. I just hope we turn this around before Hyde is past his prime.

I predicted there'd be a QB controversy by week 7 and I'm sticking with it. I think he's hit his ceiling. The thing that will keep CK from ever being an elite QB is his mechanics. The guy can spend years with guys like Curt Warner but when Colin enters the game (especially when pressured) he goes back to his old habit of throwing off his back foot and not getting his hips and body into the throw which causes high degrees of accuracy issues.

At some point in time, we need Colin to lead this team and carry A LOT of responsibility on his shoulders. He's a serviceable QB but I don't think he has what it takes to get to the next level.

Originally posted by socalniner:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Do you not remember some dude named Frank Gore?

Yeah but Hyde can actually run against good defenses, something Frank hasn't been able to do much in the last two years. Cards have a very very good run defense and Hyde was still able to gash them and bust through tackles. Go look at Frank's numbers @ Ari and Seattle last year.

Exactly. Gore has been on steady decline. I just hope we turn this around before Hyde is past his prime.

Oh, so kind of like exactly what happened to Frank Gore while he was here?

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by AKfanster:

How is this surprising to anybody? The dude just isn't that good.
Maybe less commercials & more film/play book study??
Even then he's still not a QB, he's an athlete sure, but clearly not a QB.

Interesting thing, I was listening to Pat Kirwin on NFL radio the other day and he was talking about Parcells yapping about how these youngsters in the NFL become so focused about their "brand" and marketing themselves to make $$$, that they forget about the game that got them there. In essence they lose focus and don't put the time and energy into learning the nuances of the game.

Outside the Mannings, I cannot agree more. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees became commercial Giants after they proved their worth. Whereas "chumps" like Kaep and RGIII spend their time in the gym so they can look good for beats by dre, subway, etc.

Kaep needs to start paying attention to film

any reason you left out Andrew Luck from your "chumps"?

No, I include him too. Dont get me wrong, I'm still on the Kaep wagon. Im just talking about a trend thats been going on in the NFL, as per Parcels and Kirwin. And I tend to agree. I think these "stars" get fame and fortune grinded into their heads before they become famous. You spend all this time doing photo shoots, autograph sessions, commercials, public appearances when you should be spending time in the film room. Based on Kaep's play, and given his hx of marketing himself, I have to include him on this list. But yea, guys like Luck RGIII RW also belong on it.

Dude are you kidding?? Just today ALONE I saw Brady,Manning, Brees and Rogers in commercials. You know who I didn't see? Kaep and RG3.

Please reread my original statement

I did. Kaep is a really hard worker from ALL reports, yet somehow he doesn't work hard enough, like Brady etc?

Originally posted by BOI49er:
My problem is that I've always thought Kaepers**t was not able to make accurate reads and decisions quickly enough to keep up with NFL defenses, and that was reinforced by the coaches saying they were simplifying the offense each and every year. That's more an aptitude thing than either an intelligence thing or learnable thing, so I've always been dubious on his improvement potential. Simplifying your offense is a formula to make you defensible.

Baalke said he gave Harbaugh his head on the qb position, and he wrote a contract to give himself a cheap out if it became necessary, I took that to mean he saw what I saw, and would entertain trade offers last summer. The sad part for me is that I think we could have gotten a first round pick a month ago, perhaps to a team likely drafting very high, which we could have used on a qb. After tonight, I think we're looking for a bag of Lays Classic Party Pack.

Ya wanna know the fastest way for me to lose all respect for the opinion of a poster? Intentional misspelling of a players name to make it derogatory.

Lame with a capital "L". Didn't even read the rest.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by KP82:

Originally posted by AKfanster:

How is this surprising to anybody? The dude just isn't that good.
Maybe less commercials & more film/play book study??
Even then he's still not a QB, he's an athlete sure, but clearly not a QB.

Interesting thing, I was listening to Pat Kirwin on NFL radio the other day and he was talking about Parcells yapping about how these youngsters in the NFL become so focused about their "brand" and marketing themselves to make $$$, that they forget about the game that got them there. In essence they lose focus and don't put the time and energy into learning the nuances of the game.

Outside the Mannings, I cannot agree more. Guys like Brady, Rodgers, Brees became commercial Giants after they proved their worth. Whereas "chumps" like Kaep and RGIII spend their time in the gym so they can look good for beats by dre, subway, etc.

Kaep needs to start paying attention to film

any reason you left out Andrew Luck from your "chumps"?

No, I include him too. Dont get me wrong, I'm still on the Kaep wagon. Im just talking about a trend thats been going on in the NFL, as per Parcels and Kirwin. And I tend to agree. I think these "stars" get fame and fortune grinded into their heads before they become famous. You spend all this time doing photo shoots, autograph sessions, commercials, public appearances when you should be spending time in the film room. Based on Kaep's play, and given his hx of marketing himself, I have to include him on this list. But yea, guys like Luck RGIII RW also belong on it.

Dude are you kidding?? Just today ALONE I saw Brady,Manning, Brees and Rogers in commercials. You know who I didn't see? Kaep and RG3.

Please reread my original statement

I did. Kaep is a really hard worker from ALL reports, yet somehow he doesn't work hard enough, like Brady etc?

You can work hard or work smart.

Keeps smart move would of been to train with Garcia. Garcia was a mobile QB who was tough as nails, but dude just took too much damage in Cleveland to have a super long career. Garcia is closer to what Kaepernick is. Warner is a straigh statue in the pocket. Total opposite of Kaep. Work with what you got. At this point it's too late to change.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:
Oh, so kind of like exactly what happened to Frank Gore while he was here?

Exactly. Prime Frank Gore was largely wasted. From 2006 to 2010 he was just a ridiculous level beast, running into loaded boxes game after game after game, carrying defenders, teams would gameplan specifically to stop him and he still would gash them. Even after that he was still immensely productive obviously but if you look back at some of the games from the earlier seasons, it really fills you with a sense of awe as to what this guy was able to accomplish when all 11 guys on the other side of the line of scrimmage were going all out to stop him.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

My problem is that I've always thought Kaepers**t was not able to make accurate reads and decisions quickly enough to keep up with NFL defenses, and that was reinforced by the coaches saying they were simplifying the offense each and every year. That's more an aptitude thing than either an intelligence thing or learnable thing, so I've always been dubious on his improvement potential. Simplifying your offense is a formula to make you defensible.

Baalke said he gave Harbaugh his head on the qb position, and he wrote a contract to give himself a cheap out if it became necessary, I took that to mean he saw what I saw, and would entertain trade offers last summer. The sad part for me is that I think we could have gotten a first round pick a month ago, perhaps to a team likely drafting very high, which we could have used on a qb. After tonight, I think we're looking for a bag of Lays Classic Party Pack.

Ya wanna know the fastest way for me to lose all respect for the opinion of a poster? Intentional misspelling of a players name to make it derogatory.

Lame with a capital "L". Didn't even read the rest.

Sadly, this represents a good chunk of our pathetic fan base right now.

Hopefully most of them will go back to being Raider fans, like they were before the Niners got good again.