Colin Kaepernick Thread

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I have to think Kaep will be better for having gone through yesterday's game. If his teammates have any decency they should support him through this. Just has to pick himself up for the sake of himself and his teammates.

He needs to be traded for draft picks. Problem is who will take him

He has almost no value at this point. Only good news for that is the cap hit to release him would be minimal.

However, all that is just talk. I would like to see if Gabbert can run the offense like he did in PS. Perhaps some time off for CK to get his head back on straight would help him. He needs to get back to basics. Instead of the delivery he had in PS, yesterday he was throwing sidearm much of the time.

I think he hesitated on the second pick because of what happened on the previous drive. He got picked off on a nice play by Mathieu. He had to make sure Boldin is really open like he sees it. But then it's too late when he decided to throw. It's like psychologically, he's f**ked up. Even when he tried to do the right thing, it ended up wrong.

Originally posted by itlynstalyn:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by susweel:
If Kap is smart (lol) he should fabricate some kind of injury or something and get taken out of the line up. Then in the off season he should ask for his release he is being set up to be a fall guy playing behind the worst Oline in the league and coached by one of the worst OCs and QB coaches in the league.

So you're saying Kaep owning up to his mistakes was just BS. Deep down, he's blaming the Oline for those picks...?

No the picks are on him but he is being set up to fail.

This. He looked absolute terrible yesterday but the play-calling the last two games has been a complete joke. The o-line is absolutely terrible in pass protection yet they do nothing to counter the pass rush. Was there a single screen pass yesterday?

What is wrong with the play calling when there are receivers open but the QB doesn't see them?

That happened multiple times.

Originally posted by dj43:

What is wrong with the play calling when there are receivers open but the QB doesn't see them?

That happened multiple times.

This

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by RonMexico:
kap just another dual threat QB that will never win a superbowl or be highly productive without the best D in the league and a monster running game

please draft us a QB who was never really athletic enough to rely on his running ability so he had to develop real QB skills and I will be happy

If they're going to do that, they had better spend some time and money on the O-line because that's going to have to be a lot better for anyone, especially a guy who stands back there and delivers the ball.

our o-line is arguably worse at blocking than Kap is at throwing

so yes I agree, the o-line is probably playing the worst I have ever seen any o-line play on any team

This is the issue for me. Kap was terrible yesterday but at this point there is no QB on earth that you could put behind this line and expect to win a game.

We all agreed kaep had a terrible, terrible game. But I think other than the irrational Kaep haters, we can agreed that Kaep has been far from this bad in his career (in fact a decent, if not good career). Let's give Kapp a chance to redeem himself. If he can't in the next few games we can start talking about benching him.

I think any players and teams can have a very ugly game or two that don't reflect the strength the the players and teams. Let's not over react.

I think it makes more sense to be concerned with the offensive line, defense, and play calling, than Kaep because it has now been two straight really bad games.

Originally posted by dj43:
What is wrong with the play calling when there are receivers open but the QB doesn't see them?

That happened multiple times.

Nothing, those are good play calls but if the QB cannot step up in the pocket or into the throw because of pressure from the middle then it has to be taken account of.

I'm not ready to give up on Kap, or give him a pass, but we need to see much better oline play before we can truly assess the standard of QB play.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by dj43:
What is wrong with the play calling when there are receivers open but the QB doesn't see them?

That happened multiple times.

Nothing, those are good play calls but if the QB cannot step up in the pocket or into the throw because of pressure from the middle then it has to be taken account of.

I'm not ready to give up on Kap, or give him a pass, but we need to see much better oline play before we can truly assess the standard of QB play.

He's regressed to the point of not being good. It's one step forward, 12 steps back. It's time to let it go and move on. The way we're playing, Goff is very much in the conversation

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by dj43:
What is wrong with the play calling when there are receivers open but the QB doesn't see them?

That happened multiple times.

Nothing, those are good play calls but if the QB cannot step up in the pocket or into the throw because of pressure from the middle then it has to be taken account of.

I'm not ready to give up on Kap, or give him a pass, but we need to see much better oline play before we can truly assess the standard of QB play.

When there are open receivers in 1.5 seconds and he doesn't see them, it is not the OL's fault.

Yes, the right side of the line, including center, is a sieve it is going to make it hard to step up, however, that was not the reason for a large portion of CK's poor play. He just has no feel for the quick, short passing game, and that is what needed to happen yesterday if the 49ers were to have any chance against a VERY good AZ team.

The sad irony is that the very thing that would help the OL now is the type of play that everyone criticized Alex Smith for when he was here. Smith has continued to have good success with that type of game in KC even though they also have a weak OL.

Originally posted by littleken:
We all agreed kaep had a terrible, terrible game. But I think other than the irrational Kaep haters, we can agreed that Kaep has been far from this bad in his career (in fact a decent, if not good career). Let's give Kapp a chance to redeem himself. If he can't in the next few games we can start talking about benching him.

I think any players and teams can have a very ugly game or two that don't reflect the strength the the players and teams. Let's not over react.

I think it makes more sense to be concerned with the offensive line, defense, and play calling, than Kaep because it has now been two straight really bad games.

Yes, he has had some good games in the past. The problem is that in the bad games, the problems are always the same...and they continued yesterday.

His "good" is nice but he has to correct his "bad" and that has not been happening.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by dj43:
What is wrong with the play calling when there are receivers open but the QB doesn't see them?

That happened multiple times.

Nothing, those are good play calls but if the QB cannot step up in the pocket or into the throw because of pressure from the middle then it has to be taken account of.

I'm not ready to give up on Kap, or give him a pass, but we need to see much better oline play before we can truly assess the standard of QB play.

When there are open receivers in 1.5 seconds and he doesn't see them, it is not the OL's fault.

Yes, the right side of the line, including center, is a sieve it is going to make it hard to step up, however, that was not the reason for a large portion of CK's poor play. He just has no feel for the quick, short passing game, and that is what needed to happen yesterday if the 49ers were to have any chance against a VERY good AZ team.

It is his throwing motion. It is long and slow. It gives defenders a chance to know he is throwing their way and also jump the rout before the release

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by dj43:

What is wrong with the play calling when there are receivers open but the QB doesn't see them?

That happened multiple times.

Nothing, those are good play calls but if the QB cannot step up in the pocket or into the throw because of pressure from the middle then it has to be taken account of.

I'm not ready to give up on Kap, or give him a pass, but we need to see much better oline play before we can truly assess the standard of QB play.

I dunno..i dont put a whole lotta stock into the receivers running thing. Yeah Kap shoulda hit them..but we were down 21-28-30+ points by the time our receivers were "running open". How hard was AZ's secondary really playing? They were all prob trying to follow Kaps eyes to get another pick. Even if Kap completed a wide open pass... defense says oh well...they're still down by 21-28-30+.

The last open receiver Kap saw was Boldin on his second pick 6.

Originally posted by littleken:
We all agreed kaep had a terrible, terrible game. But I think other than the irrational Kaep haters, we can agreed that Kaep has been far from this bad in his career (in fact a decent, if not good career). Let's give Kapp a chance to redeem himself. If he can't in the next few games we can start talking about benching him.

I think any players and teams can have a very ugly game or two that don't reflect the strength the the players and teams. Let's not over react.

I think it makes more sense to be concerned with the offensive line, defense, and play calling, than Kaep because it has now been two straight really bad games.

Agree with this. Kap was terrible yesterday, probably the worst performance you'll see by a QB all year, possibly the next several years. It was that bad. He was primarily at fault, even more than the o-line imo.

But it was just one game and it's best to consider who he's been his entire career. A very inconsistent, but decent starting QB.

The 1st two weeks was some decent QB play. People didn't overreact then and shouldn't overreact now. People radically change their opinion of him week to week. Can't do that, it will drive you nuts. Even though this last game doesn't give us much confidence, it's best to let the season play out and make the judgement then.

Originally posted by dj43:
What is wrong with the play calling when there are receivers open but the QB doesn't see them?

That happened multiple times.

Truth is, neither one of us know what Kap's progressions are on each play since we aren't the ones drawing them up. Giving a QB zero time to go through them before making a decision isn't exactly helpful. When the entire right side of your o-line is getting pushed into the QB's face off the snap, it doesn't really make for a good passing offense. He still didn't need to throw any of those picks and should have just taken the sack, but then he'd be getting grilled for doing that also. Yesterday it looked like Kap was trying to do way too much because of what happened last week and it completely backfired.

The things normal OC's do to combat this weakness, such as slants, screens, quick outs, etc. are all almost nowhere to be seen in this passing offense. Long-developing pass plays with an o-line who's biggest problem is pass protection is probably not a good offense to keep running. Can't defend Geep, especially after thinking running the ball from the pistol at the half yard line was a good decision.

IIRC, before and after the Vikes game, there was talk about kap throwing from different platforms. Well, that worked very well. How come we didn't see it again after the first game? And I agree Afrikan, that was one helluva call from the EZ. Sheesh. Nitwit call.

So here is a conumdrum , a question for you all. Let's say, things don't go well this yr and we suddenly find ourselves in March with a top 6 pick. Do we go after that hotshot QB or do we get that hotshot OT/OG/C ? Really, I am curious, what your thots would be on that. Now if there is no hotshot QB, then it is pretty simple.. but if one were there, who would you go for.....for me , it would be OL...and we would need TWO, both in Rd 1. Ouch. No point in drafting a QB if you can't protect him and that is where we are right now.